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A recognition that his domestic agenda is harmful to our country.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
I think you're wrong. But, oh well, that's okay; we're only two voters.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
This was an historic swing and, I don't think it's over.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
Only 1/3rd of the senate seats were up for a vote last year. Look how many of them lost. 2012 will likely be a repeat.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
Actually, it may be more of a shellacking. There are still only 1/3 of the Senate seats up for a vote but there are nearly twice as many Democrats having to win their seats as in 2010.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
Just shows how horribly the Republicans performed when they were in power and lost all those seats.
Cool...Quote:
Originally Posted by Yonivore
Not surprised seeing you painting with a broad brush. That's what cheerleaders do. I guess we can agree that the tax cuts he signed into law are harmful to the country in the long term.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yonivore
Actually, only one voter. I'm merely an spectator at the moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yonivore
I disagree. I think it was a somewhat expected swing after the complete Democrat dominance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yonivore
I'm not sold on that yet. I think the perception of the GOP will also change as they're part of the government now too. It's not just Dems that will be held to their promises.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
This is what Democrats have to look forward to until the 2012 elections...
Manchin lied to get elected
They are going to be flogged about the head and shoulders with their Obamacare votes for the next 20 or so months.
Agreed but, so far, Republicans are keeping theirs. And, keep in mind, there are twice as many Democrats that have to hold their seats than Republicans in 2012. The odds were more favorable in 2010 and still, they lost seats.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
Or you would hope so...Quote:
Originally Posted by Yonivore
I don't think people give a rats ass about symbolic votes when it gets nothing done. I think people care about fixing the economy and getting people back to work. To me, the economy carries so much weight than anything else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yonivore
That's just simple numbers. The proposition for Democrats -- without some really favorable results from this administration (who they've bought into, hook, line, and sinker) -- is more grim in 2012 than in 2010 and, face it, 2010 sucked for Democrats.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
D'okie dokie. I'll not try to disabuse you of that notion any further. It will serve well in the coming election cycle.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
2010 sucking for democrats was somewhat expected. Again, swings in mid-term elections are not really new. I do agree that it sucked more than what they were hoping it would, but again, I don't agree with you as far as the reasons behind it. I personally wanted the GOP to win both houses, and I thought they had a shot at it and blew it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yonivore
I don't think 2012 depends on anything much more different. The economy will make or break whatever reelection chances are there. I think who is the GOP candidate will also have a small but noticeable effect.
yoni is so busy cheerleading he has no inkling what Republicans actually plan to do about the economy or health care.
He is not alone.
No need to repeat yourself, I understand your position. We just disagree and, that's okay.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
I will say that Obamacare and the economic implications of its implementation are huge. Take for instance, the $8 billion trimmed today. That was done so the small business wouldn't lose their religion over all the additional paperwork.
Then there are all the fucking waivers given to crony companies like the SEIU. Don't think that won't be brought up.
There are a bunch of problems with Obamacare that go beyond the provision of health care services.
So what are the economic implications?
Give us numbers.
Well, I'm not particularly happy with this administration in many aspects either. And truth be told, I can't vote, and I don't know if I'll be able to by 2012 either, so I don't really have much of anything at stake here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yonivore
I think you're making much more of this than what it really is. As you said, we obviously disagree, and time will tell.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yonivore
If you live here, you have plenty at stake.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
Yep.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
That's only because of retirements and special elections. Both sides had 6 retiring. Of the 13 democrat incumbents, 3 lost. Of the 6 democrat replacements for retiring, 3 lost. The republicans had no losses.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yonivore
As far as I know, only 10 of the 21 democrat incumbents have stated they are running. One is retiring. Of our two independents, both are up this cycle and Lieberman announced retirement. Still early. Only 3 of the 9 republicans announced running and Hutchinson announced retirement. Bet you liberals are happy.
Too early to tell, but if things remain as usual, I will assume republicans will gain another 5-7 seats, ending up with 56 to 58 seats. Almost a super-majority.
What I mean is about the election proper. Whoever gets elected is completely outside of my control at the moment. I just have to buckle up and go with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yonivore
It's not outside your control. Your words could actually change someone's vote.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
I don't really talk politics with other people outside of here...Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra