Conservatives and teabaggers punk themselves again

Before (Ireland's) Bankruptcy, Conservatives Touted Ireland As Model For U.S.

During the 2008 Presidential campaign, Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) praised the Irish economy for its low corporate tax rate and said that if the U.S. would just follow suit, companies would “be able to create jobs, increase your business, make more investment.” And McCain was far from the only conservative making the “Celtic Tiger” argument that Ireland’s low tax rates were a shining, successful model of conservatism in action. Some examples:

http://thinkprogress.org/2010/12/02/celtic-tiger-flip/

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So what say they now? :lol

*yawn*

And the democrats were pumping Spain as a green jobs example.

We saw how that worked out.

got'em, coach.

Greece is the model we should be following.

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Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy

*yawn*

And the democrats were pumping Spain as a green jobs example.

We saw how that worked out.

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Spain may be the beneficiary of that over-investment in solar yet.

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As the U.N. climate summit continues in Cancún, the Guardian's environment correspondent, Jonathan Watts, looks at one problem not likely to improve soon -- the Middle Kingdom's ravenous appetite for cheap coal.

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http://www.foreignpolicy.com/article...iction_to_coal

There is every indication that China's ravenous appetite for coal will continue, and likely put some demand strain on global supply, IMO.

Coal is still *the* primary go-to source for electrical generation.

http://www.eia.doe.gov/oiaf/ieo/coal.html

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China began to increase its coal imports at the end of 2008, while accelerating the closure of the country's small, inefficient, and comparatively less safe mines in Shanxi Province. Shanxi has typically been China's top coal-producing region, and although it appears to have produced more coal in 2009 than in 2008, production was not sufficient to keep up with demand, creating coal shortages within the region that contributed to the need for imports. However, past consolidations in other Chinese provinces suggest that the country could quickly reopen small mines should international supplies tighten and international coal prices rise substantially.

The removal of coal import tariffs is a possible indication of China's intention to import large quantities of coal, at least in the short term, while Shanxi's coal industry is being restructured. An expected influx of dry bulk carriers beginning in 2010 may provide another short-term boost for Chinese coal imports by lowering the cost of bulk freight. The country may also manage any coal supply deficit in the future by importing more coal overland (trade that is not captured in Table 9) from new production sources in Mongolia and Russia. In addition, China plans to build strategic coal stocks in various provinces as a hedge against future volatility in coal import levels and prices.

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We'll see. Spain went a bit farther than it should have and could have done its solar build-up a bit better, but I think it's 10-20 prospects are good.

"China's ravenous appetite for coal will continue"

American coal companies intend to sell lots of coal to China.

Unregulated financial sector really showed the world how great "free markets" are.

Iceland bankrupt, Ireland bankrupt, USA bankrupt, whoever's-next-bankrupt, what's not to love?

the more control we grant to big govt the more that power will be bought. The less control we grant, the more legislators will be bribed to grant more control against the people's will.

centralized power is irresistable to the elite, and to think that there is anything anyone can do to put it out of reach of those who crave it is to deny the course of our country over the last century.

Wake up Boutons.

conceding control back to the states is the only option, give the people the right to govern themselves the way they wish. put an end to washingtons governing against the will of teh people and for the will of big $

some states will choose wise policies, some wont. but for those that fail, they can expect to see exodus.

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Originally Posted by DarrinS

Greece is the model we should be following.

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http://www.funnypictureblog.com/wp-c...eIfSerious.jpg

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Originally Posted by DarrinS

Greece is the model we should be following.

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Currently.... I agree. Raise taxes and cut spending to lower deficit.

raise taxes for everyone and cut spending to only things that benefit all people paying taxes.

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Originally Posted by spursncowboys

raise taxes for everyone and cut spending to only things that benefit all people paying taxes.

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what about those currently out of work? They don't pay taxes. Are they out of luck? What about the people who don't pay taxes yet send their kids to public schools? Should we penailze the kids because their parents don't pay taxes?

cut from all of it. ALL.

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Originally Posted by George Gervin's Afro

what about those currently out of work? They don't pay taxes. Are they out of luck? What about the people who don't pay taxes yet send their kids to public schools? Should we penailze the kids because their parents don't pay taxes?

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Idiot.

Unemployment insurance isn't a tax.

Schools are paid by property taxes, which you pay by owning, or indirectly by renting.

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Originally Posted by Wild Cobra

Idiot.

Unemployment insurance isn't a tax.

Schools are paid by property taxes, which you pay by owning, or indirectly by renting.

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SNC Stated that anyone who doesn't pay taxes should not benefit from govt programs. I was referring to free school lunches idiot.. Obviously I have spell things out for you.

do you have a reading comprehension problem mr 'I am in the top 1% of intelligence'?

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Originally Posted by Wild Cobra

Schools are paid by property taxes, which you pay by owning, or indirectly by renting.

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Not exactly true, at least in Texas. Currently in Texas the average is 49% from property taxes, 41% from state funds, and 10% from the Feds. Percentages can vary from school district to school district with poorer districts getting a larger percentage from State/Fed sources.

these morans are punking themselves non-stop

Tea Bagger Caucus is asking for $1B in those hated earmarks. :lol

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/12/t...lion-earmarks/

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Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy

Not exactly true, at least in Texas. Currently in Texas the average is 49% from property taxes, 41% from state funds, and 10% from the Feds. Percentages can vary from school district to school district with poorer districts getting a larger percentage from State/Fed sources.

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And it doesn't need to be that way. Too top heavy.

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Originally Posted by George Gervin's Afro

SNC Stated that anyone who doesn't pay taxes should not benefit from govt programs. I was referring to free school lunches idiot.. Obviously I have spell things out for you.

do you have a reading comprehension problem mr 'I am in the top 1% of intelligence'?

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No you misunderstood what I wrote. I meant only things that benefit everyone should be paid for by taxes.

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Originally Posted by spursncowboys

No you misunderstood what I wrote. I meant only things that benefit everyone should be paid for by taxes.

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This is a slippery slope and I am not necessarily disagreeing with you, per se, but how do you define "benefiting everyone?" It is really easy to justify just about everything this way, or to disqualify everything this way. On one hand, one could say that free school lunches benefit everyone because malnutrition makes it very difficult to learn, an educated society benefits the nation at large through greater ability to be productive than an uneducated society. Therefore, free school lunch benefits everyone.

On the other hand Joe Hippie doesn't believe that cars are good for the environment and therefore walks everywhere he goes. He doesn't use the roads, they are not benefiting everyone and therefore should be defunded.

Yes these are extreme examples (especially the latter), but you know the country we live in today. Extreme examples are par for the course with regards to political discourse.

I am seriously not trying to be a d-bag and undercut you, just wanted to know if you have any idea how to define what you are suggesting.

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Originally Posted by spursncowboys

No you misunderstood what I wrote. I meant only things that benefit everyone should be paid for by taxes.

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agreed but that never actually happened. I assume the wars were also funded primarily by tax money but i hardly see any benefit the wars give. GWB launched the war against Saddam in a sole attempt of destroying all WMD in Iraq but they found none of it. Saddam was a tyrant but no way a terrorist, though he appeared somewhat pro-terror. There are still numerous tyrannies in the world but it's obviously beyond Uncle Sam's power to emancipate all of them.

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Originally Posted by Drachen

This is a slippery slope and I am not necessarily disagreeing with you, per se, but how do you define "benefiting everyone?" It is really easy to justify just about everything this way, or to disqualify everything this way. On one hand, one could say that free school lunches benefit everyone because malnutrition makes it very difficult to learn, an educated society benefits the nation at large through greater ability to be productive than an uneducated society. Therefore, free school lunch benefits everyone.

On the other hand Joe Hippie doesn't believe that cars are good for the environment and therefore walks everywhere he goes. He doesn't use the roads, they are not benefiting everyone and therefore should be defunded.

Yes these are extreme examples (especially the latter), but you know the country we live in today. Extreme examples are par for the course with regards to political discourse.

I am seriously not trying to be a d-bag and undercut you, just wanted to know if you have any idea how to define what you are suggesting.

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instead of launching bullshit wars one after another, pentagon/house should just reduce the army to 1/10 its current size and banish all these advanced weapons, then the terrorists & other American enemies will have mercy on US and stop sabotaging US. u must agree on this tbh.

usa needs to file for Bankruptcy

and quit bailing out other countries