European nations agree on offshore North Sea electric grid

European legislators are placing a lot of hope on off shore wind farms Ministers from 10 European countries bordering the North Sea have agreed the construction of a new offshore electricity grid.

The grid will link countries across Europe and make it much easier for member states to trade energy.

It will also simplify the exploitation of the 140 Gigawatt offshore windfarm currently being planned in the North Sea.

Analysts say Europe needs offshore wind farms to meet emissions targets.

The Memorandum of Understanding was signed by the governments of the UK, Ireland, Belgium, Denmark, France, Germany, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, Norway and Sweden.

The new grid would be used to connect European grids to a large offshore windfarm currently in planning for the North Sea. The project is part of a concerted effort by the European Union to live up to its emissions targets and integrate the energy infrastructure.

One such cooperation is already in place. Norway and the Netherlands use so-called "high-voltage direct-current" links to pump energy back and forth between the two countries.

Another project currently under consideration is Desertec. This proposal, launched by a German consortium is aimed at putting a large number of solar energy modules into North Africa. These are then connected to European electricity grids.

The North Sea grid is a highly ambitious project but could prove an important boost to countries whose location gives them an excess of solar or wind energy.

China's dominating in solar panels,

Europe is going nuts going green,

while the USA is just nuts, dominated by carbon companies lying about global warming, oil depletion, CO2 pollution, and dominating the political class.

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China's dominating in solar panels,

Europe is going nuts going green,

while the USA is just nuts, dominated by carbon companies lying about global warming, oil depletion, CO2 pollution, and dominating the political class.

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China's dominating in solar panels,

Europe is going nuts going green,

while the USA is just nuts, dominated by carbon companies lying about global warming, oil depletion, CO2 pollution, and dominating the political class.

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The only people lying about global warming are those saying it's mostly anthropogenic, cause by CO2. Most of it is natural.

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The only people lying about global warming are those saying it's mostly anthropogenic, cause by CO2. Most of it is natural.

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The only people lying about global warming are those saying it's mostly natural, not caused by CO2. Most of it is human-caused.

Wheee, that was fun.

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The only people lying about global warming are those saying it's mostly natural, not caused by CO2. Most of it is human-caused.

Wheee, that was fun.

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But you can only back that up with other people's answers, who don't show their methodology.

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How can I refute flawed summaries like that? The US is making a fair amount of headway in renewables. Of course, you can't see it.:rolleyes

You need to form your very own tautology club.

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But I will leave you with this:

http://images.angelpub.com/2010/05/3...r-rankings.jpg


Hey, keep arguing tho. You're just not very good at it.:lmao

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Determining Russian role in this will allow us to see the real political angle. They are trying to inter link europe with them in regards to energy via the north sea. If russia is involved chalk up yet another victory for those fucks.

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Determining Russian role in this will allow us to see the real political angle. They are trying to inter link europe with them in regards to energy via the north sea. If russia is involved chalk up yet another victory for those fucks.

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Russia won't get involved if they can't steal from it.

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That's my fav...that and the Jesus facepalm.:toast.

The biggest problem I have with America is the per capita energy expenditure. Its insane how much energy we use.

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The biggest problem I have with America is the per capita energy expenditure. Its insane how much energy we use.

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Yeah but its a dead end street politically. It will not ebb until the market forces demand to decrease. Hopefully some new abundant form of energy is discovered.

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Yeah but its a dead end street politically. It will not ebb until the market forces demand to decrease. Hopefully some new abundant form of energy is discovered.

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The sun puts out more energy in two seconds than humanity has, thus far, ever used.

It would be possible, if a long-term project, to build massive solar power stations hundreds of miles across, using captured asteroid material, processed in orbiting facilities, and beam that power back to the planet. Solar power in space operates 24 hours a day.

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The sun puts out more energy in two seconds than humanity has, thus far, ever used.

It would be possible, if a long-term project, to build massive solar power stations hundreds of miles across, using captured asteroid material, processed in orbiting facilities, and beam that power back to the planet. Solar power in space operates 24 hours a day.

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Yeah, plus it's a helluva way to make microwave popcorn!

Win/win!:lol

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Jesus facepalm is far and away the best. I almost fell out of my chair when I saw it. Oh, and while I think that the US is making more headway in this area than is presently thought, but I would still like to see the graph above in a kwh/capita form. Plus, we need to fund the heck outta research so we aren't just buying Chinese solar panels.

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Jesus facepalm is far and away the best. I almost fell out of my chair when I saw it. Oh, and while I think that the US is making more headway in this area than is presently thought, but I would still like to see the graph above in a kwh/capita form. Plus, we need to fund the heck outta research so we aren't just buying Chinese solar panels.

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Per capita's a toughie because so much depends on transmission infrastructure. I wonder if energy subscribers would be more revealing?

And agreed on emphasizing research funding..esp in Photovoltaics.

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Per capita's a toughie because so much depends on transmission infrastructure. I wonder if energy subscribers would be more revealing?

And agreed on emphasizing research funding..esp in Photovoltaics.

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Yes, and to be clear, as far as per capita numbers, I was meaning kwh produced per capita as opposed as used. This is more to get an idea of where each country ranks on a level playing field.

Honestly (and I know I am shifting just a bit from my post above), I feel that the very first thing we should do would be to upgrade all of the transmission infrastructure first. I don't know the numbers, but if we can upgrade and lose 10% less in transmission, then this makes sense before adding more production. Adding more production without upgrading transmission capabilities means we are just losing more total output and spinning our wheels faster.

"upgrade all of the transmission infrastructure first."

America is bankrupt, and Americans want a free lunch infrastructure, anyway.

Somehow, they figure public schools, sewers, water, electricity, police, fire, roads, bridges are already over-paid for and need no maintenance or expansion.

*sigh* Yes, boutons. Thank you so much for your enlightened post.:rolleyes

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"upgrade all of the transmission infrastructure first."

America is bankrupt, and Americans want a free lunch infrastructure, anyway.

Somehow, they figure public schools, sewers, water, electricity, police, fire, roads, bridges are already over-paid for and need no maintenance or expansion.

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Maybe if the VRWC, Oilcos and the MIC would quit flexing their corrupt muscles and lining the pockets of our "elected" officials then we could get rid of the two unfunded wars and focus our attention on projects which would end our over reliance on fossil fuels. It doesn't matter though, this country is DEAD while the rich are filling their accounts with the blood of the poor!!!!




(how was that? probably not angry or hyperbolic enough was it?

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Per capita's a toughie because so much depends on transmission infrastructure. I wonder if energy subscribers would be more revealing?

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Our transmission infrastructure is so spread out because we as Americans love to be spread out. Its a luxury issue that raises our per capita usage in many ways but especially increased transportation costs and transmission loss.

As energy gets more expensive it hurts us more than it hurts any other country on the planet. That is something that we should have been extremely candid about.

EDIT: Decentralization of our cities has been fueled by real estate developers. Why build upwards when I can sell you this new development instead? The "American dream" where every family owns a home in subrbia has played a big role as well.

You know, basically the same forces that have caused our recent economic trouble. Pretty amazing how many things it can fuck up. Although to be fair the decentralization has been happening since Henry Ford's nice little vehicle came around.