One of the more intriguing stories of this young season has been the San Antonio Spurs, who after years of grinding out games and wearing down opponents, had suddenly begun to race through games in breakneck fashion. Tony Parker (and to a lesser extent, George Hill and Manu Ginobili) bumped the pace of the San Antonio offense, and the influx of transition points and opportunities was widely credited with the rejuvenation of the Spurs’ offense. San Antonio sprinted to the top of the league, and their offense was understandably the talk of the town.
The two definitely seemed to line up. The Spurs scored, and they ran. But did they score because they ran?
Re: The Spurs have slowed down, even if their offense hasn’t
"They can run the floor or walk the ball up, attack from inside and out, run structured sets or fly off the cuff. So, do tell: how exactly does anyone plan to stop the Spurs?"
Pray...
12-13-2010
silverblackfan
Re: The Spurs have slowed down, even if their offense hasn’t
:tu Spurs fan porn. We have a great team to watch this year. All the butt-kissing articles are just a bonus.
12-13-2010
itzsoweezee
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I've definitely noticed this, and I can't say that the slowdown is good for the team.
Don't mean to sound like a broken record, but more minutes for Bonner means less fastbreak; just another downside to playing the guy (he doesn't rebound, can't make the outlet pass, and rarely comes up with steals).
Unfortunate, because the emphasis on the beginning of the season was to get easy baskets. Hate to see Popovich abandoning that good plan so soon.
12-13-2010
jjktkk
Re: The Spurs have slowed down, even if their offense hasn’t
Is the "slowing down of the Spurs offense", the result of Pop wanting to slow it down, or are defenses catching up to the Spurs offense?
12-13-2010
dbestpro
Re: The Spurs have slowed down, even if their offense hasn’t
This is all about adjustments. Other teams have made adjustments to our fast break, which has lead to less offensive rebounds by the other team and more opportunities to score in the half court set. Teams now have to pick their poison.
12-13-2010
DMC
Re: The Spurs have slowed down, even if their offense hasn’t
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Originally Posted by itzsoweezee
I've definitely noticed this, and I can't say that the slowdown is good for the team.
Don't mean to sound like a broken record, but more minutes for Bonner means less fastbreak; just another downside to playing the guy (he doesn't rebound, can't make the outlet pass, and rarely comes up with steals).
Unfortunate, because the emphasis on the beginning of the season was to get easy baskets. Hate to see Popovich abandoning that good plan so soon.
Without Bonner's contributions thus far, the Spurs would have a much worse record. He's made some serious pointage when it seems to have counted most. So, no Bonner, ok take back all those points and just run like hell up and down the floor, and be the Suns.
Bonner spreads the floor so others can drive the lane. That works. I've seen it work. I am sure others have as well. Your irrational hatred for someone you don't know is amusing.
12-13-2010
itzsoweezee
Re: The Spurs have slowed down, even if their offense hasn’t
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Originally Posted by DMC
Without Bonner's contributions thus far, the Spurs would have a much worse record. He's made some serious pointage when it seems to have counted most. So, no Bonner, ok take back all those points and just run like hell up and down the floor, and be the Suns.
Bonner spreads the floor so others can drive the lane. That works. I've seen it work. I am sure others have as well. Your irrational hatred for someone you don't know is amusing.
you're full of shit, on every single point.
12-13-2010
DMC
Re: The Spurs have slowed down, even if their offense hasn’t
It's not slowing down. Shooting percentages mean a lot, as to turnovers and steals. Point differential is much more important than number of possessions. I think the Spurs have recently played slower teams. When the opponent walks the ball up the floor, time is taken from the clock. I have noticed many defensive sequences by the Spurs where the opponent cannot get a shot off before the shot clock expires. That slows the game, in a good way. Hard to fast break from side out.
12-13-2010
jjktkk
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Originally Posted by DMC
Without Bonner's contributions thus far, the Spurs would have a much worse record. He's made some serious pointage when it seems to have counted most. So, no Bonner, ok take back all those points and just run like hell up and down the floor, and be the Suns.
Bonner spreads the floor so others can drive the lane. That works. I've seen it work. I am sure others have as well. Your irrational hatred for someone you don't know is amusing.
Until Bonner shows up in the playoffs, you will see alot of Bonner hate on here.
12-13-2010
DMC
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Originally Posted by itzsoweezee
you're full of shit, on every single point.
Just admit you have no fucking idea what you are talking about.
1. Poor defense leads to more open looks by the opponent.
2. Open looks lead to shots.
3. Missed shots lead to rebounds and fast breaks.
4. Good defensive teams get out on the break when they can. The Spurs had 33 fast break points against the Warriors. You won't get that with a defensive team. The numbers catch up to you in the average.
Like your name suggests, it's not hard, some people just make it that way.
Now go fuck your sister.
12-13-2010
DMC
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Originally Posted by jjktkk
Until Bonner shows up in the playoffs, you will see alot of Bonner hate on here.
That's fine, but to say he's hurting the team when they are 20-3, and he's contributed more than ever... that's just a stupid fan comment. When he doesn't show up, hammer him then. Predictions are like assholes... actually they come from assholes.
I am not a Bonner lover. I wanted the Spurs to ditch the guy last year. I think he's an oaf and my butt clutches couch material when he puts the ball on the floor. Still, he's been pretty solid. I have no complaints yet. When he screws the pooch, I will let him have it.
12-13-2010
itzsoweezee
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Originally Posted by DMC
Just admit you have no fucking idea what you are talking about.
1. Poor defense leads to more open looks by the opponent.
2. Open looks lead to shots.
3. Missed shots lead to rebounds and fast breaks.
4. Good defensive teams get out on the break when they can. The Spurs had 33 fast break points against the Warriors. You won't get that with a defensive team. The numbers catch up to you in the average.
Like your name suggests, it's not hard, some people just make it that way.
Now go fuck your sister.
amazing how you just pull shit out of your ass.
12-13-2010
DMC
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Originally Posted by itzsoweezee
amazing how you just pull shit out of your ass.
Where else would you pull shit from? Maybe you have a different setup.
12-13-2010
itzsoweezee
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Originally Posted by DMC
Where else would you pull shit from? Maybe you have a different setup.
nothing worse than a message board liar. bonner's numbers are essentially the same as last year. leave to a know-nothing like you to ascribe some magical powers to the ginger-haired fairy.
12-13-2010
jjktkk
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Originally Posted by DMC
That's fine, but to say he's hurting the team when they are 20-3, and he's contributed more than ever... that's just a stupid fan comment. When he doesn't show up, hammer him then. Predictions are like assholes... actually they come from assholes.
I am not a Bonner lover. I wanted the Spurs to ditch the guy last year. I think he's an oaf and my butt clutches couch material when he puts the ball on the floor. Still, he's been pretty solid. I have no complaints yet. When he screws the pooch, I will let him have it.
I'm not a Bonner hater either. I like the fact that he spaces the floor. My concern, is when Bonner isn't hitting his 3's that Pop still keeps him in there.
Bonner gives great effort, but he is a liability on defense. Pop should bench when hes cold.
12-13-2010
Chieflion
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First of all, I would like to congratulate itsoweezee's fantasy team for kicking my team's ass last week.
Next, I am happy that the Spurs have the number one offense in the league. It doesn't matter how the Spurs do it, whether it is up and down the court or a slow it down half court offense. This team has the weapons to utilize both and depending on the personnel on the court and the opponent's style, would be able to adapt to a different pace.
12-13-2010
DMC
Re: The Spurs have slowed down, even if their offense hasn’t
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Originally Posted by jjktkk
I'm not a Bonner hater either. I like the fact that he spaces the floor. My concern, is when Bonner isn't hitting his 3's that Pop still keeps him in there.
Bonner gives great effort, but he is a liability on defense. Pop should bench when hes cold.
Maybe, but as long as he's on the floor, someone has to cover him and the others rest. Manu doinks 6 from long range and he's fine, Matty does it once and everyone calls for his head on a platter. I expect every shot he shoots to go in, plus he's been playing decent defense against so so teams. Bonner's points are all bonus.
12-14-2010
DMC
Re: The Spurs have slowed down, even if their offense hasn’t
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Originally Posted by itzsoweezee
nothing worse than a message board liar. bonner's numbers are essentially the same as last year. leave to a know-nothing like you to ascribe some magical powers to the ginger-haired fairy.
Stick to fantasy ball. You guys are notorious stat watchers and don't know shit about the game.
12-14-2010
maddnezz
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Originally Posted by DMC
That's fine, but to say he's hurting the team when they are 20-3, and he's contributed more than ever... that's just a stupid fan comment. When he doesn't show up, hammer him then. Predictions are like assholes... actually they come from assholes.
I am not a Bonner lover. I wanted the Spurs to ditch the guy last year. I think he's an oaf and my butt clutches couch material when he puts the ball on the floor. Still, he's been pretty solid. I have no complaints yet. When he screws the pooch, I will let him have it.
my butt clutches couch material when he puts the ball on the floor.:lmao
12-14-2010
ajh18
Re: The Spurs have slowed down, even if their offense hasn’t
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Originally Posted by itzsoweezee
nothing worse than a message board liar. bonner's numbers are essentially the same as last year. leave to a know-nothing like you to ascribe some magical powers to the ginger-haired fairy.
To his credit, bonner IS shooting something like 50% from three this year, which is markedly better than last year.
12-14-2010
maddnezz
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DMC you my dude bro.......whew,now I gotta go pee!
12-14-2010
EricD
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As long as we keep winning baby.
:toast
12-14-2010
duncan228
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...Here’s a look at the Spurs’ net plus-minus after 23 games.
Tim Duncan Plus-208
Manu Ginobili Plus-208
Tony Parker Plus-174
George Hill Plus-163
Richard Jefferson Plus-158
Matt Bonner Plus-101
DeJuan Blair Plus-93
Gary Neal Plus-62
Antonio McDyess Plus-31
...Those numbers are intriguing, but are waited to those players who receive more playing time. Theoretically, a player who is plus-4 in 10 minutes of action should be more valuable to the team than a player who was plus-10 in 40 minutes.
So I divided a player’s plus-minus score by their minutes played for an average.
Here’s a list of players currently on the roster or the team’s injured list:
The Ginger haired plus-minus wonder strikes again.
12-14-2010
DespЏrado
Re: The Spurs have slowed down, even if their offense hasn’t
This coincides with the loss of Anderson and Neal cooling off a bit, while Blair and Hill have re-emerged who are much more half-court players.
Bonner doesn't seem to change the pace much, and he is a good transition D player at least in getting up and down the court. (even if he can't stop a dunk to save his life.)
12-14-2010
jjktkk
Re: The Spurs have slowed down, even if their offense hasn’t
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Originally Posted by DespЏrado
Bonner doesn't seem to change the pace much, and he is a good transition D player at least in getting up and down the court. (even if he can't stop a dunk to save his life.)
Sadly, Most of the Spurs have trouble stopping a dunk, with Ginoboli recently being only guy I remember stopping a dunk(last year Durant)
12-14-2010
TJastal
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Originally Posted by jjktkk
Sadly, Most of the Spurs have trouble stopping a dunk, with Ginoboli recently being only guy I remember stopping a dunk(last year Durant)
:lol
another classic from jjktkk
:toast
12-14-2010
DMC
Re: The Spurs have slowed down, even if their offense hasn’t
Stopping a dunk is no better than stopping a 10' jumpshot. Some of you act like a dunk is worth 10pts, or that they make a huge difference in a game. They don't. TPs layups around 3 defenders, in my opinion, are much more impressive than a dunk over someone.
All the best dunkers in the league today have never won shit. Maybe one or two were carried to a win by the team, but what great dunker wins games by dunking over people? Amar'e and Howard are the only ones I can think of, and they haven't won shit.
12-14-2010
EricD
Re: The Spurs have slowed down, even if their offense hasn’t
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Originally Posted by DMC
Stopping a dunk is no better than stopping a 10' jumpshot. Some of you act like a dunk is worth 10pts, or that they make a huge difference in a game. They don't. TPs layups around 3 defenders, in my opinion, are much more impressive than a dunk over someone.
All the best dunkers in the league today have never won shit. Maybe one or two were carried to a win by the team, but what great dunker wins games by dunking over people? Amar'e and Howard are the only ones I can think of, and they haven't won shit.
I know of a winner that wins games by using the art of the slamjam.
Just saying.... :hat
12-14-2010
Cessation
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lol bonner defender
12-14-2010
Malice
Re: The Spurs have slowed down, even if their offense hasn’t
If by "slow down" he means we slow it down, before bringing it hard and fast on that ass...then yes I agree.
