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1) Spurs don't have the pieces for Melo, especially since Duncan, Parker, and Ginobil wouldn't be one of them.
2) San Antonio probably isn't on Melo's "wish list".
3) Denver will likely avoid sending Melo to another Western contender if at all possible.
4) All this for a guy who, while talented, is bailing on his team and touting trade talks in the middle of a competitive season.
Bonner, Vaughn, and Finley for Melo!
manu, splitter and rj for melo and jr smith
Anthony wants to go back to the East Coast. Preferably the Knicks, maybe the Nets.
#9 for #15Quote:
Originally Posted by ducks
Melo is over rated. He's a low efficiency volume scorer who really doesn't bring much else to the table. He's never taking any team anywhere special.
Fuck that cry baby...let him go to NY..it's where he wants to play.
Same with Jelly Bean Bryant's offspring.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChuckD
Again, same with Kobe. Kobe had to jump on the back of most dominant big man to play the game the past 30 years, Shaq.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChuckD
Once Shaq left Kobe couldn't even get out of the first round. Hell he didn't even make the playoffs one year.
Then with the wave a magical colluding wand, Kupchick got Kobe the next most dominant big man in the game, Gasol. And what do you know, Kobe finally gets out of the first round again and wins another championship then gets compared to Jordan. Give me a fucking break.
Get a clue already ChuckieD.
What about Bonner, Udoka, rights to De Cola- Gist- Marcus Williams- and the next 4 first rounders?
Fuck it, we need to win now anyway.
He's NOT signing an extension, so whoever we give up is gone for good and we lose out on Anthony after this season. He's burned out.Quote:
Originally Posted by EricD
Pretty sure he'd want to play with Duncan, Manu, Tony, Bonner, RJ and George over just Amare.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoops Czar
Just saying.
Fuck Melo
that's honestly the stupidest thing i've read today.Quote:
Originally Posted by ducks
NBA's Collective Bargaining Agreement. Google it. Read. Then post.Quote:
Originally Posted by EricD
And you probably wonder why your name is still gray.Quote:
Originally Posted by BG_Spurs_Fan
See you at the finish line bud.
It's not gray, it's silver. Like the Spurs - some are silver , some are black. It's not changing with time or post count. It's certainly not changing with drivel either.Quote:
Originally Posted by EricD
Obviously you are a troll.. but I'm too much of a basketball nerd not to correct you and tell you that you can't trade consecutive first rounders.. Pretty much the Minnesota Rule.Quote:
Originally Posted by EricD
We will see who gets there first.Quote:
Originally Posted by BG_Spurs_Fan
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Actually it would take this. Looked it up on Shamsports. ( read below)Quote:
Originally Posted by ynh
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Originally Posted by EricD
Not bad.. but I think throwing in de Cola too is giving too much. Maybe another second rounder? Would that still work?
How about this.. Spurs trade a second rounder for tayshaun prince. Then.. in the summer you sign Tay to a one year max contract.. Then by this time next year you have a Max expiring contract to trade and get some damn good players with! Not bad, Eh?
Should of done that with Bonner this summer.. We'd be sitting on a GOLD MINE right now. Max expiring contract...
De Colo is just a very intriguing prospect and a throw-in sweetener. Nothing more.Quote:
Originally Posted by ynh
The main objective in the Bucks eyes would be to net a quality up and coming big man ( Splitter) for a fraction of Bogut's salary and clear cap space for the upcoming new CBA. ( I don't think it's smart to play with fire and possible put your franchise in financial flux by possibly paying the luxury tax in the near future.)
Let's get it straight-- For as good as Bogut is, he is overpaid. (See below).
11 million - This year
12 million - Next year
13 million - 2012-2013
14 million - 2013-2014
That my friend is overpaid for what he is.
Spurs give Bucks a starting caliber center in Splitter for a fraction of Bogut's salary. At the same time they clear a butt-load of cap-space for the future (39 million to be exact), by McDyess and possibly Udoka's contracts coming off the books the following season.
Like I said before, this is probably somewhat far-fetched if the Bucks are playoff contenders ( which they may be). But if they are not playoff contenders-- Their management might consider trading Bogut because none of their other lucrative contracts (Gooden, Salmons, Maggette) are as movable as Bogut's (given the value of the contract).
I'm sure they would do it.. God knows a top 5 center in the league should be getting less than 11-14 million and I'm sure they will want to trade a young all star center for a center with less than a months experience in the league that hasn't yet made a start. Sounds like a deal.
I still think if you throw that second rounder in you get jennings.
Makes no sense at all. Way to be a smart-ass.Quote:
Originally Posted by ynh
Yeah it does... they aren't going to be making the playoffs and they cut salery.
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=25Quote:
Originally Posted by ynh
Imo, I wouldn't mind keeping Tayshaun. I think in his first year with the Spurs, he'd give a lackluster performance similar to RJ, but then in his second season he would be explosive. I see him as being a great fit into the Spurs system. What are odds that this would actually happen? in your opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by ynh
& who is de cola?
Our team? Oh we aren't making the playoffs.. I guess that means you can have anyone on our team.. probably even for a second rounder so we can save some money for the new owner.
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Originally Posted by Roger Freemason Jr.
It's De Colo--
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Nando-De-Colo-5087/
I have no idea who Cola is.. I debated before with some people and it's my opinion that Tay is a perfect fit for your team.. even more so then RJ. If he is smart and your management is smart he would look at you guys after this year as a team to go to.. and you guys would be calling us at the deadline to get him or more than likely looking at him this summer.
The guy wants to win and is a winner. Great spot up three shooter.. can post you up.. also can bring the ball up and start the offense. His defense has receeded but much of that is and was due to Ben leaving and us now having no real great front court D.
He would still have a difficult time win Artest.. but most other wings in the west he would be a great match for.
It would not shock me if he signed with the spurs in the summer.. I don't think a deadline trade comes though because we are trying to sell the team and I don't think you guys have the contracts to put together to get him.
Prince won't be a piston past this year though.. that's probably 99 percent sure.. I do think your team is one of, if not the, first team he looks at.
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Originally Posted by ChuckD
except Syracuse
Lol it's amazing how many people forget that when they claim he isn't a winner.
To add to that the dude is a career 45.8% shooter .. not sure how that is a low efficency scorer..
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Originally Posted by ducks
Are you nuts?
Manu is the smartest basketball player still playing (as both Russell and Bird are retired) and you trade him?
Cmon!
Manu rules!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He's going back to finish his degree?Quote:
Originally Posted by PublicOption
We all know that NBA teams don't trade players - they trade contracts. If the Bucks were desperate to shed salary I think they'd consider something in that direction. But considering the money they spent this last offseason, they've just assembled a new batch and aren't anywhere near blowing it up again immediately.Quote:
Originally Posted by ynh
If you're Joe average box score watcher or a sportswriter, interested only in simple stats, it's not. If you go to second tier stats, like pts/FGA, the story starts to be told. Melo's is 1.28, not horrible, but about George Hill territory. For example, Manu's career mark is 1.41.Quote:
Originally Posted by ynh
He is hurting my fantasy team this season with his shooting percentages, even on the raw ones.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChuckD
On his advanced statistics, his TS% is the worst since his rookie season at 52.2%, which is a little below average for a number one option for a playoff team. He takes 18.7 shots per game and 8.1 FTs per game and scores 23.1 points per game. I am pleased with his improvement at the glass though, rebounding over 8 per game.
In comparison, I am going to take a look at the other comparable scorers who are the main guys on their team in the NBA.
Derrick Rose has a 54% TS% and scores 24.7 points per game. He takes 20.6 shots a game and attempts 5.1 FTs per contest.
Kobe Bryant has a 54.6% TS% and scores 26.7 points a game. He takes 20.8 shots and 8.3 FTs per contest.
Kevin Durant has a 55.7% TS% and scores 27.3 points a game. He takes 20.6 shots and 8.9 FTs per contest.
LeBron James has a 57% TS% and scores 24 points per game. He takes 17.3 shots and 9 FTs per contest.
Dwyane Wade has a 57.8 TS% and scores 23.8 points per game. He takes 16.5 shots and 9.3 FTs per contest.
Dwight Howard has a 59.1% TS% and scores 21.5 points per game. He takes 13 shots and 11.8 FTs per contest.
Amare Stoudemire has a 59.6% TS% and scores 26.2 points per game. He takes 18.5 shots and 7.9 FTs per contest.
There you go, some of the top guys in the NBA when it comes to efficiency
when it comes to putting the ball into the basket while producing a lot. Melo is having a down year but his overall game has improved. Taking a lot of 3s and FTs certainly does help in the TS% department, both of which Melo doesn't do that much unless compared to Derrick Rose at the free throw line. (who is shooting 42% on 3s on 4 attempts per game)
This is not to say that Melo is efficient, he is not efficient this season. I am not going to look at PPS though, TS% is a better indicator. Comparing stars of this level, looking at what their shot choices are certainly helps in dictating whether TS% is a good measure of their effectiveness. So far, it has been.
IMO his down year has a lot to do with the in fact down year of Billups. he is really bad (and tired) this year. he makes the Nuggets play a walking game and this takes away some of Melo's qualities. and his shooting struggle allows the defense to focus on Melo even more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chieflion
I think it is funny how all these huge ego, "all hat no cattle" players always want to go to NYC...yet the Knicks are consistently the shittiest team in the league for the past few years. Not to mention they have a crop of the most highly overpaid players basketball has ever seen.
trade him to some crappy team and have him have to wait another year to get to the knicks and for a lower contract.
why should melo make all the demands ?