LOL: Manu traveled big time

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Originally Posted by TJastal

So he pivoted in mid-air??

:lmao

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on the jump... His left foot is rotating in these pictures.
http://i51.tinypic.com/9t20qq.jpg
http://i54.tinypic.com/sebvus.jpg
http://i56.tinypic.com/33v2scm.jpg

Looks to me like his momentum just carries him forward, bringing him up on his tippy-toes. This is not a "pivot"

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Originally Posted by TJastal

Looks to me like his momentum just carries him forward, bringing him up on his tippy-toes. This is not a "pivot"

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Having not seen the rules do you agree that his foot changes directions/rotates on the ball of his foot?

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Originally Posted by DespЏrado

Having not seen the rules do you agree that his foot changes directions/rotates on the ball of his foot?

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No, I don't agree. Maybe if I squint my eyes reeealll hard I might see it.. nope, still don't see it.

weird get your eye sight checked....You might have some kind of ocular disease.
I would get that checked out.

Did he travel tonight?

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Originally Posted by timvp

During regular play, that would probably be called traveling 90% of the time. But players are allowed extra leeway on game-winners when it comes to possible travels or offensive fouls so I'm not surprised the refs swallowed their whistles.

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The basketball gods disagree :smokin

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Originally Posted by timvp

The basketball gods disagree :smokin

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They are Spurs fans. :flag:

the only basketball god I'm seeing lately wears #20

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Originally Posted by TJastal

Looks to me like his momentum just carries him forward, bringing him up on his tippy-toes. This is not a "pivot"

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I am seeing the same thing.

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Originally Posted by timvp

The basketball gods disagree :smokin

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do you still content he traveled?

I have refrained from posting in this thread but I can't stop myself now. It was not a travel especially in the NBA where traveling rules were officially relaxed last year. It was a backwards jump stop. Perfectly legal.

The only issue was did he pick up his dribble before the one-count step, which then went into the jump stop. He did not.

Done.

http://www.hardwoodparoxysm.com/2010...manu-ginobili/

Ahhh hell. I swore I wouldn't get involved in this anymore. None of this matters, except that we are basketball fans, and should know the rules of the game.

It's not spinning a foot that creates a "pivot". The NBA Rules state:
A pivot takes place when a player, who is holding the ball, steps once or more than once in any direction with the same foot, with the other foot (pivot foot) in contact with the floor.

It's the step with the other foot that creates the pivot. You can spin on both toes, as long as you don't move either foot. If you think about it, how else would a player ever square up for a shot without travelling? I haven't watched it in a long time, but I think Sean probably did it on the Memorial Day Miracle shot.

Here is the important thing about that play: Whether you believe he travelled or not, you can see what he was trying to do. Take one step, jump-stop, shoot... backwards. Nobody does that move backwards. Mbah played great defense, and was all over him - and Manu cooked that up on the fly. Take some time to appreciate true genius when you see it.

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Originally Posted by GSH

Ahhh hell. I swore I wouldn't get involved in this anymore. None of this matters, except that we are basketball fans, and should know the rules of the game.

It's not spinning a foot that creates a "pivot". The NBA Rules state:
A pivot takes place when a player, who is holding the ball, steps once or more than once in any direction with the same foot, with the other foot (pivot foot) in contact with the floor.

It's the step with the other foot that creates the pivot. You can spin on both toes, as long as you don't move either foot. If you think about it, how else would a player ever square up for a shot without travelling? I haven't watched it in a long time, but I think Sean probably did it on the Memorial Day Miracle shot.

Here is the important thing about that play: Whether you believe he travelled or not, you can see what he was trying to do. Take one step, jump-stop, shoot... backwards. Nobody does that move backwards. Mbah played great defense, and was all over him - and Manu cooked that up on the fly. Take some time to appreciate true genius when you see it.

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GSH with the goods :tu. You know your basketball rules like Mel_13 knows those pesky cap rules. I think I'll take a moment to appreciate your genius, sir. :toast

Now that's settled, I still just might consider going for that eye exam, cuz I still don't see Manu's alleged spinning foot. Maybe he's double jointed in his ankle? Too many nasty sprains? Or maybe he's just the anti-christ.. /shiver

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Originally Posted by gregpschneid

http://www.hardwoodparoxysm.com/2010...manu-ginobili/

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About Rob Mahoney: Rob Mahoney is the author of the Dallas Mavericks blog The Two Man Game, a regular contributor to NBC Sports' ProBasketballTalk and the New York Times' Off the Dribble blog, and co-editor of Voice on the Floor.

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:lmao

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Originally Posted by UnWantedTheory

Did Moute hit the ball as he was going up???

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Yep, which is why it wasn't a travel, and why it wasn't called. Haywoode Workman is the only NBA ref with the balls to blow the whistle at that point anyway.

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Originally Posted by Obstructed_View

Yep, which is why it wasn't a travel, and why it wasn't called. Haywoode Workman is the only NBA ref with the balls to blow the whistle at that point anyway.

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Hubie ain't got a thing on you.

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Originally Posted by gregpschneid

http://www.hardwoodparoxysm.com/2010...manu-ginobili/

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Exactly. As I said the only issue is did he pick up his dribble before the one-count step. The jump-back-stop was perfectly legal. This guy has exactly the same analysis as me.

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Originally Posted by YoMamaIsCallin

Exactly. As I said the only issue is did he pick up his dribble before the one-count step. The jump-back-stop was perfectly legal. This guy has exactly the same analysis as me.

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Not sure how your analysis is exactly the same when the author states pretty clearly he doesn't believe there is a point of contention to be made.

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But if we view the play from another angle, it’s clear that when Manu plants his right foot in what many are counting as his “first” step, the ball isn’t even in his hand. This step isn’t a step at all, at least not for the purposes of any kind of violation. Instead, Ginobili’s step count triggers as soon as he’s gathered and gained control of the ball, which occurs after the right foot has already been planted.

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Originally Posted by TJastal

Hubie ain't got a thing on you.

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Hubie...has tremendous strenth. I like what I'm seeing here.