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Buck Harvey: Ginobili keeps ‘the old man’ working
Buck Harvey
The Spurs put a contract in front of Manu Ginobili last spring. But before he signed, he had a question for Gregg Popovich.
How much longer do you plan to keep coaching?
“He told me just five months,” Ginobili deadpanned Wednesday night. “That’s why I stayed.”
At 21-3, the jokes come easy. Easier than the wins. The Spurs survived Wednesday after losing an 18-point lead, because Ginobili stepped back on the Milwaukee Bucks at the buzzer and did what he’s seemingly done all season.
So go back to last spring, when Ginobili’s contract was on the table.
Why wouldn’t Popovich want to hang around to watch this show as long as he could?
As Ginobili’s game-winner fell, and the arena rose, Popovich stood like a man with a mess of papers still on his desk. Even with this win, even with this record, Popovich has work to do.
Yes, Ginobili saved them. “But you wouldn’t be in that position,” Popovich said, “had you played the 24 minutes before that.”
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Re: LOL: Manu traveled big time
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Originally Posted by
ChuckD
That move happens probably 50 times a night in the NBA. It is most certainly NOT a travel. You are allowed two steps, no direction specified, after you pick up the ball. Manu fakes hard to the hole, stopped, took ONE jump step back and shot the ball.
And was bumped..............:flag:
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GINNNNNNNNNNNNOBILI
LOL at Bogut's twitter post tonight
"Tough loss. Will be very interesting to check the film on certain little things.hmmmm. Anyway we are off and TRAVELLING back to Milwaukee!"
And LOL at travelling being called in the NBA
These assholes talking like this will definitely serve as motivation for the Spurs when they visit Milwaukee.
I predict a thorough ass kicking in that game.
January 12. Mark your calendars.
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Travel or not i don't know... but i all i know is i was at the game and DAYUMMMMMMM!!!!!! BEST SHIT EVER.:toast:king:lobt2:
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It takes slo-mo to see it, but he plants with his right, and then takes a long step back with his left. Normally, he would then bring back his right to equalize and then he jumps up to take the shot. Legal step-back J. On this particular play, he brought his foot back to equalize, got bumped which forced another jump back so he could clear to make the J. That other jump back is THE TRAVEL.
But, as we all know...the ref's have to call it for it to be anything and what they called it was...2 POINTS :toast
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I'm not sure if it was a travel or not.. it didn't look right though.. I will say that. Which made me think of something.
What exactly is the difference between a jump stop (jumping in the air and coming down after a dribble) and jumping up for a shot and not taking it? It seems to me as long as I'm not jumping stationary I can go up.. not shoot the ball if I don't see anything.. come back down.. and then shoot again.
I really don't like the move.. never have.. If you leave your feet and don't shoot the ball it should be a travel. I realize the rules don't say this but one of the many reasons I don't like the nba as much as I should.
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Leads to moves like lebron taking a 5 foot hop step to get in the lane.. ugly ugly ass basketball.
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Originally Posted by
ynh
I'm not sure if it was a travel or not.. it didn't look right though.. I will say that. Which made me think of something.
What exactly is the difference between a jump stop (jumping in the air and coming down after a dribble) and jumping up for a shot and not taking it? It seems to me as long as I'm not jumping stationary I can go up.. not shoot the ball if I don't see anything.. come back down.. and then shoot again.
I really don't like the move.. never have.. If you leave your feet and don't shoot the ball it should be a travel. I realize the rules don't say this but one of the many reasons I don't like the nba as much as I should.
I don't think there is any situation where a player can jump with both feet and come down with both feet, and not get called. If it doesn't draw a whistle, the refs are just asleep. Jumping off of one foot and coming down on both is another thing entirely. (As long as the jump occurs on the one count.)
The rule says that a player in motion (i.e. dribbling the ball) can "gather the ball" and then take two steps. So if the player puts a foot on the floor (steps) while the ball is on the way up from the floor, he still gets two more steps after he catches the ball on its way up. It's going to look like an extra step to a lot of people who don't understand what the rule actually says. They are going to see this:
1. A step takes place (while the ball is somewhere between the court and his hand)
2. The player gathers the ball in both hands, as it rises from the court
3. The player takes two more steps
People see three steps take place, without the ball hitting the floor, and insist that it is travelling. According to NBA rules, it isn't.
I could be wrong, but I think that is what took place tonight with Manu. I don't have any problem admitting when the refs make bad calls in the Spurs favor. His first step after gathering the ball was forward, and from that foot he leaped (stepped) backward, and landed on both feet. It's permissible under the rules.
Think about it this way: a player takes one step with his left foot, and then another with his right foot. He isn't required to stand there on one foot, to avoid travelling. He is allowed to bring his left foot forward, to stand on both feet - even though it might seem like bringing that left foot forward is another "step". It's really no different than landing on both feet simultaneously after a long (hop) step.
The important thing to remember is that players are allowed two steps "after gathering the ball". And on the second step, they are allowed to land on both feet simultaneously, as long as they don't subsequently pivot with either foot.
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Originally Posted by
GSH
I don't think there is any situation where a player can jump with both feet and come down with both feet, and not get called. If it doesn't draw a whistle, the refs are just asleep.
The rule says that a player in motion (i.e. dribbling the ball) can "gather the ball" and then take two steps. So if the player puts a foot on the floor (steps) while the ball is on the way up from the floor, he still gets two more steps after he catches the ball on its way up. It's going to look like an extra step to a lot of people who don't understand what the rule actually says. They are going to see this:
1. A step takes place (while the ball is somewhere between the court and his hand)
2. The player gathers the ball in both hands, as it rises from the court
3. The player takes two more steps
People see three steps take place, without the ball hitting the floor, and insist that it is travelling. According to NBA rules, it isn't.
I could be wrong, but I think that is what took place tonight with Manu. I don't have any problem admitting when the refs make bad calls in the Spurs favor. His first step after gathering the ball was forward, and from that foot he leaped (stepped) backward, and landed on both feet. It's permissible under the rules.
Think about it this way: a player takes one step with his left foot, and then another with his right foot. He isn't required to stand there on one foot, to avoid travelling. He is allowed to bring his left foot forward, to stand on both feet - even though it might seem like bringing that left foot forward is another "step".
The important thing to remember is that players are allowed two steps "after gathering the ball". And on the second step, they are allowed to land on both feet simultaneously, as long as they don't subsequently pivot with either foot.
You're correct. Except in this instance, because he was pushed, Manu took an extra jump step to clear.
It looks like this.
Last Dribble->Set Right Foot to push back to left.
Left Foot goes back to get distance from opposing defender.
Right foot comes back to meet left, equalize body and set up for J.
Both feet are set->bumped, he's forced to jump back with both feet. This hop, is the travel, and then he takes the J.
It's a hard one to call in real-time and note that in this situation, had they called it a travel, there would have been only .5 or so to take a shot and this game would've gone OT but, like any home team fan who saw the result, I'll take the W.
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I don't know about tonight, except that we won. I don't want to get caught up in nit-picky slow-mo replay stuff.
The rule is the way I explained it. And a lot (if not most) fans don't understand why travelling doesn't get called on those plays.
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Some travels are easy to see and when they happen, you'll see coaches and players react accordingly. On this one, Milwaukee didn't react. Only later, did they say anything. It took Coach Skiles and Mbah a Moute a slow mo look at the monitor to call it a travel. Again, Manu practices that step back all the time. That bump through him off for a sec but he was able to steady himself and drain the jumper.
The refs called it 2 points and that's the official result.
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That was a clear travel but Manu did it becuase it looks like he was bumped so good no call if you ask me. Since both are violations I'm happy the refs let the ball decide instead of calling ether a foul or a travel since both violations canceled each other out..
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Originally Posted by
GSH
I don't think there is any situation where a player can jump with both feet and come down with both feet, and not get called. If it doesn't draw a whistle, the refs are just asleep. Jumping off of one foot and coming down on both is another thing entirely. (As long as the jump occurs on the one count.)
The rule says that a player in motion (i.e. dribbling the ball) can "gather the ball" and then take two steps. So if the player puts a foot on the floor (steps) while the ball is on the way up from the floor, he still gets two more steps after he catches the ball on its way up. It's going to look like an extra step to a lot of people who don't understand what the rule actually says. They are going to see this:
1. A step takes place (while the ball is somewhere between the court and his hand)
2. The player gathers the ball in both hands, as it rises from the court
3. The player takes two more steps
People see three steps take place, without the ball hitting the floor, and insist that it is travelling. According to NBA rules, it isn't.
I could be wrong, but I think that is what took place tonight with Manu. I don't have any problem admitting when the refs make bad calls in the Spurs favor. His first step after gathering the ball was forward, and from that foot he leaped (stepped) backward, and landed on both feet. It's permissible under the rules.
Think about it this way: a player takes one step with his left foot, and then another with his right foot. He isn't required to stand there on one foot, to avoid travelling. He is allowed to bring his left foot forward, to stand on both feet - even though it might seem like bringing that left foot forward is another "step". It's really no different than landing on both feet simultaneously after a long (hop) step.
The important thing to remember is that players are allowed two steps "after gathering the ball". And on the second step, they are allowed to land on both feet simultaneously, as long as they don't subsequently pivot with either foot.
I honestly could care less if he traveled or not, but watching it on my DVR super slow, it seems like what GSH said is about accurate. Despite the close appearance of a travel, I truly believe it was a legit step back. The last dribble to the ground was as he was planting the one foot...then he jumped back on both feet to shoot the J. Seems pretty legal to me. Even if it was a three step, it happens many times throughout every NBA game. Again, maybe I am wrong concerning the rules, but it looks legit to me. Do some people who say he took five steps seeing the dribble that Moute is in the way of?
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Originally Posted by
Chomag
That was a clear travel but Manu did it becuase it looks like he was bumped so good no call if you ask me. Since both are violations I'm happy the refs let the ball decide instead of calling ether a foul or a travel since both violations canceled each other out..
Even if I am wrong in my previous post, I think this should just some it up.
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Oh, man, I hate to keep this up. A friend (and I use that term loosely:lol) just e-mailed me these stills. If you disagree about this play, I don't want to argue. Just look at it as an example of how the rule might work, some other time.
In the first he hasn't gathered the ball from the last dribble. In the second he has just gathered it. (Now he's allowed two steps.) In the third he is jumping (stepping) off of one foot. In the fourth he is landing on both feet. (Legal) In the fifth, he is about to shoot from both feet. It's either a legal play, or so damned close that you can't blame a ref for not calling a travel.
BTW - if you think he was bumped prior to the first still, then maybe the ref said that the defender knocked the ball loose. In that case, Manu could regain control, and take two steps. Rinse and repeat. Good night.
http://i51.tinypic.com/9t20qq.jpg
http://i54.tinypic.com/sebvus.jpg
http://i56.tinypic.com/33v2scm.jpg
http://i56.tinypic.com/2lnin0z.jpg
http://i55.tinypic.com/24m4wb5.jpg
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Originally Posted by
GSH
Oh, man, I hate to keep this up. A friend (and I use that term loosely:lol) just e-mailed me these stills. If you disagree about this play, I don't want to argue. Just look at it as an example of how the rule might work, some other time.
In the first he hasn't gathered the ball from the last dribble. In the second he has just gathered it. (Now he's allowed two steps.) In the third he is jumping (stepping) off of one foot. In the fourth he is landing on both feet. (Legal) In the fifth, he is about to shoot from both feet. It's either a legal play, or so damned close that you can't blame a ref for not calling a travel.
BTW - if you think he was bumped prior to the first still, then maybe the ref said that the defender knocked the ball loose. In that case, Manu could regain control, and take two steps. Rinse and repeat. Good night.
http://i51.tinypic.com/9t20qq.jpg
http://i54.tinypic.com/sebvus.jpg
http://i56.tinypic.com/33v2scm.jpg
http://i56.tinypic.com/2lnin0z.jpg
http://i55.tinypic.com/24m4wb5.jpg
Nice video clips. Thanks for posting them.
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It looked like a travel to me on first viewing, but second time around it's clearly a move allowed to NBA players. Manu drives, gets bumped, puts down a sneaky dribble in the interim, lands on one foot, then hops back onto two for the fadeaway/step-back/how-the-fuck-did-he-keep-his-balance? jumper. Kobe does that shit all the time, as do many other players.
In FIBA competition I think they'd call it a travel, but not in the NBA.
Manu is a snake in the way he can contort or warp his body to get the shot off. I am in awe of you, Manu. :wow
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magnets, he uses magnets.
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You know I was sure it wasn't a travel but actually he pivots on the left foot....when he is pushing off with it...
I think the ball is still making it's way to his hand when he pushes left with his right foot. (legal) and doesn't count as his first step.
As the ball is gathered and he pushes further left with his left foot, he pivots on that left foot.
You can see it in the stills up the thread. This one in particular, you can see the pivot unwind...
look at the direction his left foot starts facing and ends facing. He pivoted on that foot, and then jumped back.
http://i51.tinypic.com/9t20qq.jpg
http://i56.tinypic.com/33v2scm.jpg
Sad to say it was a travel but not because of how many steps he took.
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watch the video and stop worrying about counting the steps...just watch his left foot rotate....It's clear as day once you look at it from a "he lifted his pivot foot" standpoint.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQ83korBNac#t=0m7s
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I still think it's just a step back jumper.
