Spurs won, but Bonner can't get a got damn rebound when it matters...
Really Pop? Gooden and Bogut vs. Duncan and Bonner?
You can coach better than that....
Lucky to get out of this with a win....
What a fucking 4th quarter tank job....
2009 Spurs.
12-15-2010
baseline bum
Re: Spurs won, but Bonner can't get a got damn rebound when it matters...
Pop's hard-on for Bonner is 10x worse than the one he used to have for Finley.
12-15-2010
SpursRulez4eVeR
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..but.
12-15-2010
Cry Havoc
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For once I agree with this thread.
Bonner got 25 minutes tonight and did NOTHING in that time to validate his play. If he's not going to shoot 3s, why the hell is he on the court?
12-15-2010
TDMVPDPOY
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his the reason why the bucks rally down for 15+ points...
fck him when he has a shit game, yet he still continue to be on the court
12-15-2010
mingus
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Cry Havoc
For once I agree with this thread.
Bonner got 25 minutes tonight and did NOTHING in that time to validate his play. If he's not going to shoot 3s, why the hell is he on the court?
maybe someone really smart can answer this.
12-15-2010
NRHector
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is this something new? IIRC he's been always like that
12-15-2010
SequSpur
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Quote:
Originally Posted by baseline bum
Pop's hard-on for Bonner is 10x worse than the one he used to have for Finley.
I am all for bonner shooting and contributing to the offensive spread but fucking bucks were killing the spurs in the paint... Pop needs to recognize...shit, it's like he forgets bonner is even out there...
really?
12-15-2010
spurs1990
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On another thread they said Blair was out. And Splitter was hurting as well.
You can't put in old man McDyess. We needed him for the Denver game.
12-15-2010
Yorae
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Because he thought he's Horry?
12-15-2010
Texas_Ranger
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We all know he can't jump.
12-15-2010
HankChinaski
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I swear the haters over members on this team, it's just unreal. It's funny too because some of you get excited when these guys you bash make plays in game threads and then proceed to bash afterwards once it settles.
12-15-2010
TDMVPDPOY
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bonner and splitter on the court at the same time = fail
12-16-2010
MI21
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CDR went coast to coast and finished over Matt easily, Gooden then drew a foul on Matt going to the rim and then Gooden got a tip in on an offensive board... all in the last 90 seconds.. I'm not sure why Bonner was in.
12-16-2010
objective
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Bonner's last disaster on the defensive boards was pretty bad. It wasn't a case where he had to rotate and get back, or cheat, or anything. The ball went up, Bonner stayed earthbound and let Gooden just reach up and get the score.
12-16-2010
HarlemHeat37
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It's worrisome that the Bucks closed hard on him on every 3 he tried to take in the 2nd half, forcing him to be pretty much useless on the offensive end..I hope other times won't be focusing on him like that, since Pop probably won't stop playing him either way..
Gooden just completely ate him up, especially in clutch time..
12-16-2010
ElNono
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Quote:
Originally Posted by spurs1990
On another thread they said Blair was out. And Splitter was hurting as well.
You can't put in old man McDyess. We needed him for the Denver game.
Play RJ. He can't do any worse.
12-16-2010
Blackjack
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It all averages out. 3-point shots are worth more than rebounds.
Dispute it. You can't . . .
12-16-2010
Kori Ellis
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Late in the game, who did you guys want on the court? Weren't Splitter and Blair hurt tonight?
I'm not praising Bonner, but there wasn't much choice today.
12-16-2010
BlairForceDejuan
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Quote:
Originally Posted by baseline bum
Pop's hard-on for Bonner is 10x worse than the one he used to have for Finley.
Nah. Finley never played D and only made shots 15% of the time.
Bonner plays decent D 40% of the time and hits 3's often.
12-16-2010
Yorae
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kori Ellis
Late in the game, who did you guys want on the court? Weren't Splitter and Blair hurt tonight?
I'm not praising Bonner, but there wasn't much choice today.
God I hope we have some king of choice tomorrow! Will neither play?:(
12-16-2010
ElNono
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Blackjack
It all averages out. 3-point shots are worth more than rebounds.
Dispute it. You can't . . .
Let's be realistic and put it in the context of this game. He was not getting any 3pt shots out tonight, especially late, and Bogut was more than enough to close down the paint. No surprise we won with a jump shoot.
12-16-2010
Kori Ellis
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Originally Posted by Yorae
God I hope we have some king of choice tomorrow! Will neither play?:(
I think Blair is fine. Splitter is probably out.
12-16-2010
EricB
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2 of the 4 bigs were hurt.
They won. Move on.
12-16-2010
SequSpur
Re: Spurs won, but Bonner can't get a got damn rebound when it matters...
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kori Ellis
Late in the game, who did you guys want on the court? Weren't Splitter and Blair hurt tonight?
I'm not praising Bonner, but there wasn't much choice today.
Mcdice, RJ, Jacque Vaughn?
Come on....Matt Bonner is a dud.
12-16-2010
ElNono
Re: Spurs won, but Bonner can't get a got damn rebound when it matters...
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kori Ellis
I think Blair is fine. Splitter is probably out.
Really? I thought it was the other way around. I thought Splitter was basically the hit to the groin. Blair looked like something on the knee/ankle.
12-16-2010
Johnny RIngo
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BlairForceDejuan
Bonner plays decent D 40% of the time
lol decent D
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Originally Posted by BlairForceDejuan
and hits 3's often.
2009 playoffs: 3-13
2010 playoffs: 10-27
Career playoff FG%: .364
Career playoff 3 FG%: .31
12-16-2010
Kori Ellis
Re: Spurs won, but Bonner can't get a got damn rebound when it matters...
Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
Really? I thought it was the other way around. I thought Splitter was basically the hit to the groin. Blair looked like something on the knee/ankle.
I heard Blair was fine. Splitter - I'm not sure. I thought it was just a knee to balls/groin, but someone said it was something with his hip. I was just speculating.
12-16-2010
JR3
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All i have read is the title in this thread. I agree! Its so damn sad to see bonner in there in crunch time! Defense and rebounding wins. You live and die by the 3. Everyone knows that. Maybe pop forgot.
12-16-2010
E-RockWill
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Blair seemed fine after the game.
12-16-2010
ElNono
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kori Ellis
I heard Blair was fine. Splitter - I'm not sure. I thought it was just a knee to balls/groin, but someone said it was something with his hip. I was just speculating.
thanks
12-16-2010
crc21209
Re: Spurs won, but Bonner can't get a got damn rebound when it matters...
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kori Ellis
Late in the game, who did you guys want on the court? Weren't Splitter and Blair hurt tonight?
I'm not praising Bonner, but there wasn't much choice today.
True, but I would've taken Dice on Gooden instead of Bonner's useless corpse out there...
12-16-2010
Sean Cagney
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BlairForceDejuan
Nah. Finley never played D and only made shots 15% of the time.
Bonner plays decent D 40% of the time and hits 3's often.
Finely made many clutch shots here, you are serious? He made more clutch shots when they count than Bonner EVER DID HERE, period! He did not play D no, but come on now. Finley nearly helped us win that Dallas series in 06 and Denver game where he hit what 8 of them? He also won that last game for us literally against the NO in 09! He hit some clutch shots here, period. Bonner in a huge game will go 1-5 and miss the last shot if you give it to him.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnny RIngo
lol decent D
2009 playoffs: 3-13
2010 playoffs: 10-27
Career playoff FG%: .364
Career playoff 3 FG%: .31
He is some shyt when it counts as I just said! He is horrible! I am still pissed we resigned him because I knew Pop would play him alot again, he is not a spot player here he is a bigtime player here in mins as long as he is on the team. He is horrible.
12-16-2010
ShoogarBear
Re: Spurs won, but Bonner can't get a got damn rebound when it matters...
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kori Ellis
I heard Blair was fine. Splitter - I'm not sure. I thought it was just a knee to balls/groin, but someone said it was something with his hip. I was just speculating.
I never saw any official word, but the groin muscles are hip adductors, so an injury to the groin is technically a "hip injury".
12-16-2010
rmt
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Not looking forward to more Bonner if Blair and Splitter are injured. Where was Dice? I almost prefer to see RJ play PF in crunch situations than Bonner (and I'm not a fan of small ball). But Bonner is useless if the opponent is closing out on him at the 3pt line.
12-16-2010
Chomag
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Bonner was getting 20+ minutes and playing most of the 4th quarters lately even without the injuries so I don't think that was that much of a factor as it might be stated.
12-16-2010
ChumpDumper
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I am so angry the Spurs won.
12-16-2010
DesignatedT
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Pop fucking sucks, bonner fucking sucks and this team is obviously a non contender....
we would be 24-0 if splitter played...... fire pop.
12-16-2010
Borosai
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Bonner just being the alpha dog he was born to be.
12-16-2010
TJastal
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Quote:
Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37
It's worrisome that the Bucks closed hard on him on every 3 he tried to take in the 2nd half, forcing him to be pretty much useless on the offensive end..I hope other times won't be focusing on him like that, since Pop probably won't stop playing him either way..
Gooden just completely ate him up, especially in clutch time..
Well the argument that has been made time and time again is that he spaces the floor, whether he takes a shot or not. Not that I necessarily agree with it.
And didn't I tell everyone weeks ago that after burning so many teams that left him wide open for the first 20 games teams would start to pay attention and not allow him free easy looks?
Yet Bonner will continue to practice his uncontested 3's. :lol
And didn't I also say that Gooden would burn the spurs on the o-boards and Pop should use Splitter? This is another one of those games that leaves everyone scratching their head as to what Pop was thinking. Or even if he was.
12-16-2010
biskvito
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I thought Bucks defense was great on 4q, the 3pt line was always covered and the paint was packed. I'd love to see Duncan and Splitter together on that final quarter. Draw some fouls, make Bucks bigs sweat a little.
12-16-2010
Fabbs
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kori Ellis
Late in the game, who did you guys want on the court? Weren't Splitter and Blair hurt tonight?
I'm not praising Bonner, but there wasn't much choice today.
Manhinmi or 1,000 other better NBA choices.
Choices.
12-16-2010
TJastal
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Amazing how there is always a "valid" excuse for Splitter to stay parked on the bench so the red tampon can get his 20 minutes.
12-16-2010
Ginobilly
Re: Spurs won, but Bonner can't get a got damn rebound when it matters...
:bang:bang:bang:bang:bang:bang:bang:bang:bang:bang :bang:bang:bang:bang
I was at the game and kept yelling at Pop to take out Bonner for Dice or Jefferson. I don't know why Pop can't see that every team considers Bonner to be the Spurs weakest link! Fuck!
12-16-2010
Cry Havoc
Re: Spurs won, but Bonner can't get a got damn rebound when it matters...
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kori Ellis
Late in the game, who did you guys want on the court? Weren't Splitter and Blair hurt tonight?
I'm not praising Bonner, but there wasn't much choice today.
Dice?
And if Dice was tired, I'd rather just go small. Seriously, think about it. Bonner doesn't block, doesn't play defense, doesn't rebound, and he wasn't even taking 3s last night. So he is just a huge liability.
I'd rather go small and run double teams all over the court. Bonner is going to get attacked all night. They're just going to pass inside and let Bogut do his thing. At least with double teams and lots of pressure we'd force the Bucks to move the ball around.
12-16-2010
TJastal
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I have a feeling my "reformed Pop hater" status isn't going to last very long.
:lol
12-16-2010
wunderkindepiphany
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Originally Posted by crc21209
True, but I would've taken Dice on Gooden instead of Bonner's useless corpse out there...
Normally, I'd agree, but Gooden was owning Dice with the midrange jumper. Thing is, Bonner wasn't doing much better. Basically, no one could stop Gooden when he was on in the third. It was frustrating to watch. But you know what, nothing was more frustrating than watching Bogut completely own Tiago in the paint. I swear, Tiago has no weight down low.
12-16-2010
wunderkindepiphany
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And you know what, Pau Gasol is roughly the same build, but at least he plays with a pair of pelotas in the block. Whatever they need to do to help Tiago play more consistent D against real bigs, I'm all for it. Maybe he should just eat a bunch of sammiches all Summer long.
12-16-2010
benefactor
Re: Spurs won, but Bonner can't get a got damn rebound when it matters...
I knew when I opened this thread there would be plenty of people pulling the "but the Spurs won" card. That works for now...but it won't in the playoffs when the Spurs are sent fishing yet again when losing playing the same lineup under the same circumstances.
12-16-2010
TJastal
Re: Spurs won, but Bonner can't get a got damn rebound when it matters...
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Originally Posted by wunderkindepiphany
And you know what, Pau Gasol is roughly the same build, but at least he plays with a pair of pelotas in the block. Whatever they need to do to help Tiago play more consistent D against real bigs, I'm all for it. Maybe he should just eat a bunch of sammiches all Summer long.
He just needs consistent playing time. He was dominant in the paint in the game I saw over the summer against the likes of Chandler & Odom.
You know who those guys are, right?
12-16-2010
DMC
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Bonner moves like he's wearing a suit of armor. His arms are welded at the elbow. Sure he can shoot, that's great, but he's a huge liability when he puts the ball on the floor. It's great that people appreciate the 3, I know I do, but you put a guy like Bonner in when you need a 3, not when you need 25 minutes of solid play on both ends of the floor.
Sad to say, but I was actually glad to see Splitter get kneed in the groin. Maybe that will teach him to play defense instead of trying to take a charge everytime. Get up there and contest some shots dude.
12-16-2010
wunderkindepiphany
Re: Spurs won, but Bonner can't get a got damn rebound when it matters...
Quote:
Originally Posted by TJastal
He just needs consistent playing time. He was dominant in the paint in the game I saw over the summer against the likes of Chandler & Odom.
You know who those guys are, right?
youre such a troll in disguise. I had never really met one. In fact, I thought they didn't exist, but look I found a troll. Just don't touch me with your wart hand.
12-16-2010
ohmwrecker
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Originally Posted by ElNono
Play RJ. He can't do any worse.
That's what I said in the game thread. RJ could defend Gooden better than Bonner. All day, every day. Especially in the last two minutes. Unless Bonner is on fire behind the arc, he has no business closing games.
12-16-2010
DMC
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Quote:
Originally Posted by benefactor
I knew when I opened this thread there would be plenty of people pulling the "but the Spurs won" card. That works for now...but it won't in the playoffs when the Spurs are sent fishing yet again when losing playing the same lineup under the same circumstances.
It doesn't matter how poorly you play as long as you won that game. These are the same people who point out Blair's box score when I point out his windows of ineffectiveness or outright MIA status during large portions of his time on the floor.
You can bet your ass Pop didn't feel consoled by the win. He would probably take a loss and a solid defensive effort over a win and that shit-fest. Then again, the Bucks are not the Clippers... (the Clippers actually won). The Bucks are better than their record indicates (on a given night). They rebounded from 20 down in Dallas, no easy feat. These guys don't get publicity, but they play good. Sound familiar? Bogut is a monster on defense.
12-16-2010
rmt
Re: Spurs won, but Bonner can't get a got damn rebound when it matters...
Quote:
Originally Posted by DMC
It doesn't matter how poorly you play as long as you won that game. These are the same people who point out Blair's box score when I point out his windows of ineffectiveness or outright MIA status during large portions of his time on the floor.
You can bet your ass Pop didn't feel consoled by the win. He would probably take a loss and a solid defensive effort over a win and that shit-fest. Then again, the Bucks are not the Clippers... (the Clippers actually won). The Bucks are better than their record indicates (on a given night). They rebounded from 20 down in Dallas, no easy feat. These guys don't get publicity, but they play good. Sound familiar? Bogut is a monster on defense.
I don't know. I get the feeling that this year it's important to them to get off to quick starts (both in a game and in standings). IMO, if they want a chance at the championship, they must position themselves to play only 1 of LAL or DAL (not both) especially if it's BOS waiting in the Finals.
Bonner has no business playing in crunch time EVER.
12-16-2010
angelbelow
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Couldn't catch the game.. but im not surprised Bonners presence was partially why the Bucks gained offensive momentum. Its pretty unfair for Bonner to go up against Gooden and Bogut. Gooden is just a mobile dude. Its pretty unfair for the rest of the team, esp Duncan, to have to go up against Bogut and Gooden. Sucks to hear that Blair and Splitter were hurt, BUT Im not too confident they would have played either if they were healthy.
12-16-2010
yavozerb
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I guess its never been mentioned before that Bonner is not a very good rebounder. Im glad this thread has breaking news in it...
12-16-2010
ElNono
Re: Spurs won, but Bonner can't get a got damn rebound when it matters...
Quote:
Originally Posted by ohmwrecker
That's what I said in the game thread. RJ could defend Gooden better than Bonner. All day, every day. Especially in the last two minutes. Unless Bonner is on fire behind the arc, he has no business closing games.
It's not just defending (although he can rebound just as well or better than Matt). He can at least hit a midrange J when we were struggling to score.
12-16-2010
TJastal
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Quote:
Originally Posted by wunderkindepiphany
youre such a troll in disguise. I had never really met one. In fact, I thought they didn't exist, but look I found a troll. Just don't touch me with your wart hand.
So that would be no, you do not know who Lamar Odom and Tyson Chandler are. I am not surprised.
12-16-2010
ElNono
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Quote:
Originally Posted by yavozerb
I guess its never been mentioned before that Bonner is not a very good rebounder. Im glad this thread has breaking news in it...
Actually, not very good doesn't do justice to describe the appalling ineptitude of the guy on the boards. But again, not really his fault he's playing out there.
12-16-2010
ohmwrecker
Re: Spurs won, but Bonner can't get a got damn rebound when it matters...
Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
It's not just defending (although he can rebound just as well or better than Matt). He can at least hit a midrange J when we were struggling to score.
He is just a better all-around option, especially on a mobile PF like Gooden. He would make Gooden work harder on D, making him less effective on the other side. We all know that Gooden is not a great defender. RJ's offense is a bonus in that situation because it is not one dimensional like The Great White Doofus.
12-16-2010
DMC
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If you watched the game (anyone) you would have seen that Gooden was left wide open most of the time. They wanted Gooden to shoot. They didn't want him to shoot so damn many FTs though and they didn't want him to start hitting everything late in the game.
12-16-2010
EricD
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Last night tells you how pathetic Pop was in the 2009 playoffs by going with Bonner against a more athletic and versatile opponent.
Any expert remember him choosing Vaughn, Bonner and Mason over Hill, Gooden and Bowen?
No wonder why we got beat in 5 against the Mavericks that year.
Pop screwed us that year as much as anyone hates to admit it.
12-16-2010
DMC
Re: Spurs won, but Bonner can't get a got damn rebound when it matters...
Quote:
Originally Posted by EricD
Last night tells you how pathetic Pop was in the 2009 playoffs by going with Bonner against a more athletic and versatile opponent.
Any expert remember him choosing Vaughn, Bonner and Mason over Hill, Gooden and Bowen?
No wonder why we got beat in 5 against the Mavericks that year.
Pop screwed us that year as much as anyone hates to admit it.
I will have to take the expert's word for it. I cannot see the alternative universe.
12-16-2010
BlairForceDejuan
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I have not been overly impressed with Tiago, but this entire season will be wasted with him if Pop keeps putting him out there in shitty situations and during junk time.
12-16-2010
ElNono
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I wouldn't want Tiago either (even if he would have been available) in the clutch. He's too green right now to be closing tight games.
12-16-2010
Solid D
Re: Spurs won, but Bonner can't get a got damn rebound when it matters...
For those that didn't see it, Jennings got tripped up in the lane off the ball and he rolled up into Blair's knee. That is what hurt DeJuan.
The Spurs needed a mid-range game in the 2nd half. This was especially so in the 4th quarter when the Bucks upped their defensive intensity, took Dooling and Ilyasova out and went with Bogut, Gooden, Mbah a Moute, CDR and Jennings. They ran Bonner and Jefferson off of the 3-point line and attempted to shut down most of the Spurs' drives to the lane.
Bonner's defense wasn't very good, to be sure. The Bucks' post players outscored the entire Spurs team in the 4th (Gooden with 16 points and Bogut with 5). But let me remind everyone that it was 80-70 when Duncan replaced Bonner, so Dice and Duncan were the Bigs in there when the Bucks closed the gap to 82-80.
12-16-2010
TJastal
Re: Spurs won, but Bonner can't get a got damn rebound when it matters...
Quote:
Originally Posted by Solid D
For those that didn't see it, Jennings got tripped up in the lane off the ball and he rolled up into Blair's knee. That is what hurt DeJuan.
The Spurs needed a mid-range game in the 2nd half. This was especially so in the 4th quarter when the Bucks upped their defensive intensity, took Dooling and Ilyasova out and went with Bogut, Gooden, Mbah a Moute, CDR and Jennings. They ran Bonner and Jefferson off of the 3-point line and attempted to shut down most of the Spurs' drives to the lane.
Bonner's defense wasn't very good, to be sure. The Bucks' post players outscored the entire Spurs team in the 4th (Gooden with 16 points and Bogut with 5). But let me remind everyone that it was 80-70 when Duncan replaced Bonner, so Dice and Duncan were the Bigs in there when the Bucks closed the gap to 82-80.
"Bonner" and "mid-range game" should never be used in the same paragraph. That pretty much says it all, right there.
12-16-2010
Cry Havoc
Re: Spurs won, but Bonner can't get a got damn rebound when it matters...
Quote:
Originally Posted by Solid D
For those that didn't see it, Jennings got tripped up in the lane off the ball and he rolled up into Blair's knee. That is what hurt DeJuan.
The Spurs needed a mid-range game in the 2nd half. This was especially so in the 4th quarter when the Bucks upped their defensive intensity, took Dooling and Ilyasova out and went with Bogut, Gooden, Mbah a Moute, CDR and Jennings. They ran Bonner and Jefferson off of the 3-point line and attempted to shut down most of the Spurs' drives to the lane.
Bonner's defense wasn't very good, to be sure. The Bucks' post players outscored the entire Spurs team in the 4th (Gooden with 16 points and Bogut with 5). But let me remind everyone that it was 80-70 when Duncan replaced Bonner, so Dice and Duncan were the Bigs in there when the Bucks closed the gap to 82-80.
I'm shocked whenever Bonner hits a shot that's not a three.
12-16-2010
Solid D
Re: Spurs won, but Bonner can't get a got damn rebound when it matters...
Quote:
Originally Posted by TJastal
"Bonner" and "mid-range game" should never be used in the same paragraph. That pretty much says it all, right there.
He actually has a nice mid-range, one-hand jumper if he'd use it more. His only 4th quarter basket was a mid-range j.
Matty's poor defensive effectiveness is what bugs me.
12-16-2010
wunderkindepiphany
Re: Spurs won, but Bonner can't get a got damn rebound when it matters...
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Originally Posted by TJastal
So that would be no, you do not know who Lamar Odom and Tyson Chandler are. I am not surprised.
are you serious?
12-16-2010
TJastal
Re: Spurs won, but Bonner can't get a got damn rebound when it matters...
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Originally Posted by wunderkindepiphany
are you serious?
Most of the time.
12-16-2010
ChumpDumper
Re: Spurs won, but Bonner can't get a got damn rebound when it matters...
lol calling for small ball.
Times certainly have changed.
12-16-2010
Ginobilly
Re: Spurs won, but Bonner can't get a got damn rebound when it matters...
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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
lol calling for small ball.
Times certainly have changed.
Since when has Bonner ever played big? Dude plays like an SF and I consider him one. Jefferson is a SF who plays like one and has shown that he could guard short(6'8/6'9) PFs with success.
12-16-2010
ChumpDumper
Re: Spurs won, but Bonner can't get a got damn rebound when it matters...
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Originally Posted by Ginobilly
Since when has Bonner ever played big? Dude plays like an SF and I consider him one. Jefferson is a SF who plays like one and has shown that he could guard short(6'8/6'9) PFs with success.
lol calling for small ball.
Times certainly have changed.
12-16-2010
EricD
Re: Spurs won, but Bonner can't get a got damn rebound when it matters...
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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
lol calling for small ball.
Times certainly have changed.
Watch a game.
Not a Toros, Stampede or w/e Junior Varsity game you spend hours jerking off to.
Watch a Spurs game.
12-16-2010
TJastal
Re: Spurs won, but Bonner can't get a got damn rebound when it matters...
I think the general consensus here is that any configuration including Bonner @ PF or C is still playing small-ball.
12-16-2010
koriwhat
Re: Spurs won, but Bonner can't get a got damn rebound when it matters...
bonner stunk it up yesterday... sitting row6 sucked only when bonner was in the game. god damn he stinks except when that 3 is falling but other than that, he's worthless.
i don't like to hate on bonner but when you see how unproductive he is up close it sucks!
12-16-2010
ChumpDumper
Re: Spurs won, but Bonner can't get a got damn rebound when it matters...
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Originally Posted by EricD
Watch a game.
Not a Toros, Stampede or w/e Junior Varsity game you spend hours jerking off to.
Watch a Spurs game.
I have.
They often play small ball.
People bitched about it and now they are calling for it.
lol at your getting mad.
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Originally Posted by TJastal
I think the general consensus here is that any configuration including Bonner @ PF or C is still playing small-ball.
I think people are calling for a small ball lineup in this thread.
lol
12-16-2010
Cry Havoc
Re: Spurs won, but Bonner can't get a got damn rebound when it matters...
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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
I think people are calling for a small ball lineup in this thread.
lol
I would rather have Blair or Tiago on the court than small ball.
However, I would rather have small ball than seeing Matt Bonner get 20+ minutes in a close game, where he has only hit one trey.
12-16-2010
ohmwrecker
Re: Spurs won, but Bonner can't get a got damn rebound when it matters...
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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
I think people are calling for a small ball lineup in this thread.
Yeah, and so what? Are you going to blindly defend Bonner to the point where you will not acknowledge a legitimate strategy that can be utilized effectively in specific situations?
The only time any reasonable person ever complained about small ball is when it was employed in situations that created mismatches not in the Spurs favor.
Really? Unless you are being purposefully obtuse, I don't get your point.
12-16-2010
angelbelow
Re: Spurs won, but Bonner can't get a got damn rebound when it matters...
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Originally Posted by ohmwrecker
Yeah, and so what? Are you going to blindly defend Bonner to the point where you will not acknowledge a legitimate strategy that can be utilized effectively in specific situations?
The only time any reasonable person ever complained about small ball is when it was employed in situations that created mismatches not in the Spurs favor.
Really? Unless you are being purposefully obtuse, I don't get your point.
Chump loves these types of discussion where he nip picks at your post only to fallback on a ambiguous statement. I dont remember if he was always like this but at least hes having fun.
Small ball in the past has always sucked because we had a Finley or a Mason in the line-up. Some one who couldn't defend and couldn't create - and in the later years, couldn't shoot. Its no wonder that small ball wasnt the most popular strategy to go with. Nowadays, it has some merit. With RJ playing a physical brand a defense (when hes at the 4) and guys like Neal who can stroke the 3 or Hill who can attack or pull up, small ball this year has the most potential. Although, I'm not sure small ball would have been the answer against Bogut, Gooden, and Mbah a Moute. Thats a pretty tall front court.
12-16-2010
ChumpDumper
Re: Spurs won, but Bonner can't get a got damn rebound when it matters...
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Originally Posted by ohmwrecker
Yeah, and so what? Are you going to blindly defend Bonner to the point where you will not acknowledge a legitimate strategy that can be utilized effectively in specific situations?
Show me where I blindly defended Bonner in this thread.
Be specific.
12-16-2010
DieHardSpursFan1537
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Bonner had a shitty game.
12-16-2010
ohmwrecker
Re: Spurs won, but Bonner can't get a got damn rebound when it matters...
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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Show me where I blindly defended Bonner in this thread.
Be specific.
I'm not going to play this game with you. I posed you a legitimate counterpoint and you are avoiding it with this nonsense. Let me rephrase in as simple language as possible without any assumption involved, thread title not withstanding.
Do you believe that a small ball strategy is never appropriate?
If not, do you believe that there are certain situations where the deployment of a small ball strategy can be advantageous?
And finally . . . Do you truly believe the one could be against small ball in one scenario, but for it in another, or is everything black or white?
12-16-2010
jjktkk
Re: Spurs won, but Bonner can't get a got damn rebound when it matters...
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Originally Posted by angelbelow
chump loves these types of discussion where he nip picks at your post only to fallback on a ambiguous statement. I dont remember if he was always like this but at least hes having fun.
Small ball in the past has always sucked because we had a finley or a mason in the line-up. Some one who couldn't defend and couldn't create - and in the later years, couldn't shoot. Its no wonder that small ball was the most popular strategy to go with. Nowadays, it has some merit. With rj playing a physical brand a defense (when hes at the 4) and guys like neal who can stroke the 3 or hill who can attack or pull up, small ball this year has the most potential. Although, i'm not sure small ball would have been the answer against bogut, gooden, and mbah a moute. Thats a pretty tall front court.
+1
12-16-2010
crc21209
Re: Spurs won, but Bonner can't get a got damn rebound when it matters...
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Originally Posted by wunderkindepiphany
Normally, I'd agree, but Gooden was owning Dice with the midrange jumper. Thing is, Bonner wasn't doing much better. Basically, no one could stop Gooden when he was on in the third. It was frustrating to watch. But you know what, nothing was more frustrating than watching Bogut completely own Tiago in the paint. I swear, Tiago has no weight down low.
No need to worry, it was probably Gooden's only good game of the year, now he'll go back to being trash...:lol
12-16-2010
ShoogarBear
Re: Spurs won, but Bonner can't get a got damn rebound when it matters...
Funniest play of the night was when Boykins posted up Bonner.
12-16-2010
DMC
Re: Spurs won, but Bonner can't get a got damn rebound when it matters...
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Originally Posted by ohmwrecker
I'm not going to play this game with you. I posed you a legitimate counterpoint and you are avoiding it with this nonsense. Let me rephrase in as simple language as possible without any assumption involved, thread title not withstanding.
Do you believe that a small ball strategy is never appropriate?
If not, do you believe that there are certain situations where the deployment of a small ball strategy can be advantageous?
And finally . . . Do you truly believe the one could be against small ball in one scenario, but for it in another, or is everything black or white?
Not to barge in on this, but if he believes the first, he cannot believe the second. If he doesn't believe the first, by default he believes the second.
12-16-2010
DMC
Re: Spurs won, but Bonner can't get a got damn rebound when it matters...
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Originally Posted by ShoogarBear
Funniest play of the night was when Boykins posted up Bonner.
I voted Boykins as well, but it was the play when Neal ran him over on the fast break. That was hilarious, almost as funny as Bogut's flop and Tim left hand fisting him.
12-16-2010
DMC
Re: Spurs won, but Bonner can't get a got damn rebound when it matters...
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Originally Posted by cry havoc
i'm shocked whenever bonner hits a shot that's not a three.
+1
12-16-2010
ChumpDumper
Re: Spurs won, but Bonner can't get a got damn rebound when it matters...
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Originally Posted by ohmwrecker
I'm not going to play this game with you.
Just say you can't find it and admit your failure.
I really didn't read the rest of your posts since you failed so spectacularly out of the gate. Admit it and I'll move on.
12-16-2010
DMC
Re: Spurs won, but Bonner can't get a got damn rebound when it matters...
Funniest thing of the night was (yes) Bill Land's remark that, if Gooden always played well against ex-teams, he would be an All Star.... hilarious.
12-16-2010
mingus
Re: Spurs won, but Bonner can't get a got damn rebound when it matters...
I don't know who this ChumpDump asshole is, but, dude, get a fucking life. IN EVERY FUCKING THREAD I READ i have to scroll past some trivial fucking argument of yours.
12-16-2010
Blackjack
Re: Spurs won, but Bonner can't get a got damn rebound when it matters...
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Originally Posted by ShoogarBear
Funniest play of the night was when Boykins posted up Bonner.
I thought it was when he was standing on the tracks when the "Choo-Choo" was coming through.
12-16-2010
ElNono
Re: Spurs won, but Bonner can't get a got damn rebound when it matters...
Playing Bonner is playing small ball. I just rather have a RJ playing his position this season. Last season I think it was much more debatable.
12-16-2010
DMC
Re: Spurs won, but Bonner can't get a got damn rebound when it matters...
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Originally Posted by blackjack
i thought it was when he was standing on the tracks when the "choo-choo" was coming through.
+1
12-16-2010
EricD
Re: Spurs won, but Bonner can't get a got damn rebound when it matters...
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Originally Posted by Blackjack
I thought it was when he was standing on the tracks when the "Choo-Choo" was coming through.
Hey Blackjack, (btw your one of my favorite posters on this site :toast)
Isn't this song perfect for Gary, no? :lol
12-16-2010
ChumpDumper
Re: Spurs won, but Bonner can't get a got damn rebound when it matters...
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Originally Posted by mingus
I don't know who this ChumpDump asshole is, but, dude, get a fucking life. IN EVERY FUCKING THREAD I READ i have to scroll past some trivial fucking argument of yours.
Have you been acquainted with the ignore function?
12-16-2010
Blackjack
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That song's much more suggestive than I remembered.