Spurs won, but Bonner can't get a got damn rebound when it matters...

Bonner moves like he's wearing a suit of armor. His arms are welded at the elbow. Sure he can shoot, that's great, but he's a huge liability when he puts the ball on the floor. It's great that people appreciate the 3, I know I do, but you put a guy like Bonner in when you need a 3, not when you need 25 minutes of solid play on both ends of the floor.

Sad to say, but I was actually glad to see Splitter get kneed in the groin. Maybe that will teach him to play defense instead of trying to take a charge everytime. Get up there and contest some shots dude.

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Originally Posted by TJastal

He just needs consistent playing time. He was dominant in the paint in the game I saw over the summer against the likes of Chandler & Odom.

You know who those guys are, right?

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youre such a troll in disguise. I had never really met one. In fact, I thought they didn't exist, but look I found a troll. Just don't touch me with your wart hand.

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Originally Posted by ElNono

Play RJ. He can't do any worse.

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That's what I said in the game thread. RJ could defend Gooden better than Bonner. All day, every day. Especially in the last two minutes. Unless Bonner is on fire behind the arc, he has no business closing games.

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Originally Posted by benefactor

I knew when I opened this thread there would be plenty of people pulling the "but the Spurs won" card. That works for now...but it won't in the playoffs when the Spurs are sent fishing yet again when losing playing the same lineup under the same circumstances.

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It doesn't matter how poorly you play as long as you won that game. These are the same people who point out Blair's box score when I point out his windows of ineffectiveness or outright MIA status during large portions of his time on the floor.

You can bet your ass Pop didn't feel consoled by the win. He would probably take a loss and a solid defensive effort over a win and that shit-fest. Then again, the Bucks are not the Clippers... (the Clippers actually won). The Bucks are better than their record indicates (on a given night). They rebounded from 20 down in Dallas, no easy feat. These guys don't get publicity, but they play good. Sound familiar? Bogut is a monster on defense.

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Originally Posted by DMC

It doesn't matter how poorly you play as long as you won that game. These are the same people who point out Blair's box score when I point out his windows of ineffectiveness or outright MIA status during large portions of his time on the floor.

You can bet your ass Pop didn't feel consoled by the win. He would probably take a loss and a solid defensive effort over a win and that shit-fest. Then again, the Bucks are not the Clippers... (the Clippers actually won). The Bucks are better than their record indicates (on a given night). They rebounded from 20 down in Dallas, no easy feat. These guys don't get publicity, but they play good. Sound familiar? Bogut is a monster on defense.

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I don't know. I get the feeling that this year it's important to them to get off to quick starts (both in a game and in standings). IMO, if they want a chance at the championship, they must position themselves to play only 1 of LAL or DAL (not both) especially if it's BOS waiting in the Finals.

Bonner has no business playing in crunch time EVER.

Couldn't catch the game.. but im not surprised Bonners presence was partially why the Bucks gained offensive momentum. Its pretty unfair for Bonner to go up against Gooden and Bogut. Gooden is just a mobile dude. Its pretty unfair for the rest of the team, esp Duncan, to have to go up against Bogut and Gooden. Sucks to hear that Blair and Splitter were hurt, BUT Im not too confident they would have played either if they were healthy.

I guess its never been mentioned before that Bonner is not a very good rebounder. Im glad this thread has breaking news in it...

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Originally Posted by ohmwrecker

That's what I said in the game thread. RJ could defend Gooden better than Bonner. All day, every day. Especially in the last two minutes. Unless Bonner is on fire behind the arc, he has no business closing games.

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It's not just defending (although he can rebound just as well or better than Matt). He can at least hit a midrange J when we were struggling to score.

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Originally Posted by wunderkindepiphany

youre such a troll in disguise. I had never really met one. In fact, I thought they didn't exist, but look I found a troll. Just don't touch me with your wart hand.

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So that would be no, you do not know who Lamar Odom and Tyson Chandler are. I am not surprised.

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Originally Posted by yavozerb

I guess its never been mentioned before that Bonner is not a very good rebounder. Im glad this thread has breaking news in it...

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Actually, not very good doesn't do justice to describe the appalling ineptitude of the guy on the boards. But again, not really his fault he's playing out there.

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Originally Posted by ElNono

It's not just defending (although he can rebound just as well or better than Matt). He can at least hit a midrange J when we were struggling to score.

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He is just a better all-around option, especially on a mobile PF like Gooden. He would make Gooden work harder on D, making him less effective on the other side. We all know that Gooden is not a great defender. RJ's offense is a bonus in that situation because it is not one dimensional like The Great White Doofus.

If you watched the game (anyone) you would have seen that Gooden was left wide open most of the time. They wanted Gooden to shoot. They didn't want him to shoot so damn many FTs though and they didn't want him to start hitting everything late in the game.

Last night tells you how pathetic Pop was in the 2009 playoffs by going with Bonner against a more athletic and versatile opponent.

Any expert remember him choosing Vaughn, Bonner and Mason over Hill, Gooden and Bowen?

No wonder why we got beat in 5 against the Mavericks that year.

Pop screwed us that year as much as anyone hates to admit it.

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Originally Posted by EricD

Last night tells you how pathetic Pop was in the 2009 playoffs by going with Bonner against a more athletic and versatile opponent.

Any expert remember him choosing Vaughn, Bonner and Mason over Hill, Gooden and Bowen?

No wonder why we got beat in 5 against the Mavericks that year.

Pop screwed us that year as much as anyone hates to admit it.

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I will have to take the expert's word for it. I cannot see the alternative universe.

I have not been overly impressed with Tiago, but this entire season will be wasted with him if Pop keeps putting him out there in shitty situations and during junk time.

I wouldn't want Tiago either (even if he would have been available) in the clutch. He's too green right now to be closing tight games.

For those that didn't see it, Jennings got tripped up in the lane off the ball and he rolled up into Blair's knee. That is what hurt DeJuan.

The Spurs needed a mid-range game in the 2nd half. This was especially so in the 4th quarter when the Bucks upped their defensive intensity, took Dooling and Ilyasova out and went with Bogut, Gooden, Mbah a Moute, CDR and Jennings. They ran Bonner and Jefferson off of the 3-point line and attempted to shut down most of the Spurs' drives to the lane.

Bonner's defense wasn't very good, to be sure. The Bucks' post players outscored the entire Spurs team in the 4th (Gooden with 16 points and Bogut with 5). But let me remind everyone that it was 80-70 when Duncan replaced Bonner, so Dice and Duncan were the Bigs in there when the Bucks closed the gap to 82-80.

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Originally Posted by Solid D

For those that didn't see it, Jennings got tripped up in the lane off the ball and he rolled up into Blair's knee. That is what hurt DeJuan.

The Spurs needed a mid-range game in the 2nd half. This was especially so in the 4th quarter when the Bucks upped their defensive intensity, took Dooling and Ilyasova out and went with Bogut, Gooden, Mbah a Moute, CDR and Jennings. They ran Bonner and Jefferson off of the 3-point line and attempted to shut down most of the Spurs' drives to the lane.

Bonner's defense wasn't very good, to be sure. The Bucks' post players outscored the entire Spurs team in the 4th (Gooden with 16 points and Bogut with 5). But let me remind everyone that it was 80-70 when Duncan replaced Bonner, so Dice and Duncan were the Bigs in there when the Bucks closed the gap to 82-80.

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"Bonner" and "mid-range game" should never be used in the same paragraph. That pretty much says it all, right there.

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Originally Posted by Solid D

For those that didn't see it, Jennings got tripped up in the lane off the ball and he rolled up into Blair's knee. That is what hurt DeJuan.

The Spurs needed a mid-range game in the 2nd half. This was especially so in the 4th quarter when the Bucks upped their defensive intensity, took Dooling and Ilyasova out and went with Bogut, Gooden, Mbah a Moute, CDR and Jennings. They ran Bonner and Jefferson off of the 3-point line and attempted to shut down most of the Spurs' drives to the lane.

Bonner's defense wasn't very good, to be sure. The Bucks' post players outscored the entire Spurs team in the 4th (Gooden with 16 points and Bogut with 5). But let me remind everyone that it was 80-70 when Duncan replaced Bonner, so Dice and Duncan were the Bigs in there when the Bucks closed the gap to 82-80.

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I'm shocked whenever Bonner hits a shot that's not a three.

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Originally Posted by TJastal

"Bonner" and "mid-range game" should never be used in the same paragraph. That pretty much says it all, right there.

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He actually has a nice mid-range, one-hand jumper if he'd use it more. His only 4th quarter basket was a mid-range j.

Matty's poor defensive effectiveness is what bugs me.

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Originally Posted by TJastal

So that would be no, you do not know who Lamar Odom and Tyson Chandler are. I am not surprised.

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are you serious?

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Originally Posted by wunderkindepiphany

are you serious?

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Most of the time.

lol calling for small ball.

Times certainly have changed.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

lol calling for small ball.

Times certainly have changed.

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Since when has Bonner ever played big? Dude plays like an SF and I consider him one. Jefferson is a SF who plays like one and has shown that he could guard short(6'8/6'9) PFs with success.

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Originally Posted by Ginobilly

Since when has Bonner ever played big? Dude plays like an SF and I consider him one. Jefferson is a SF who plays like one and has shown that he could guard short(6'8/6'9) PFs with success.

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lol calling for small ball.

Times certainly have changed.