Selling Out? NBA considering ads on uniforms

NBA considering ads on uniforms
Stern claims teams lost money last season

NBCSports.com news services
Updated: 2:31 a.m. ET May 27, 2005


The NBA is considering allowing advertising on uniforms, according to a report by Bloomberg News.

The NBA bans advertising on uniforms, and doesn't even allow the manufacturer of the uniforms to include a visible logo like the NFL, Major League Baseball and NHL do. According to the report, the NBA is exploring advertising opportunities.

"I don't doubt it will eventually happen, but at a price that recognizes that value," NBA commissioner David Stern said in the report.

Stern also said the NBA teams lost money in the past season, but didn't offer any specifics.

Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban said he supported the idea.

"If it were up to me, they would already be there," Cuban told Bloomerg. The Mavericks had the second-highest payroll in the NBA at $87 million, behind only the New York Knicks.

New Jersey Nets chief executive Brett Yormark said he would even consider selling the team's name.

"Wherever the Nets went, the company would go," he told Bloomberg.

Such advertising is common in NASCAR, where a primary sponsorship can go for $20 million.

This is nothing new really. Nike has made billions of the NBA off shoes alone.
"It's gotta be the shoes"- Jordan

Hi.

Do it, and I will be gone.


Sincerely,

Intelligent American NBA fan.

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This is nothing new really. Nike has made billions of the NBA off shoes alone.

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So you wouldn't mind the Spurs eventually being named The Valero San Antonio Spurs?

I know it (corporate advertising) will eventually happen, but I hate that crap. I even hate Bowl Games with the big corporate sponsorships.

seriously, i will peace the fuck out of this shit if it ever happens. i already pay 40 bucks for shit seats.

try it stern. try it.

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Originally Posted by Kori Ellis

So you wouldn't mind the Spurs eventually being named The Valero San Antonio Spurs?

I know it (corporate advertising) will eventually happen, but I hate that crap. I even hate Bowl Games with the big corporate sponsorships.

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Absolutely not but thats the common trend these days with the Nestle Crunch Time Player of the Game and the Got Milk? Rookie of the Year hype.

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Originally Posted by Dingle Barry

seriously, i will peace the fuck out of this shit if it ever happens. i already pay 40 bucks for shit seats.

try it stern. try it.

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Are you against the ads on uniforms all together? Or just the idea of selling out the team name?

individual games like Bowl games being whored out is ok. Even stadiums. But teams? The Spurs brought to you by Taco Cabana. Seriously. Try it and most of us are fucking out of here, corporate whore america

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Originally Posted by Kori Ellis

Are you against the ads on uniforms all together? Or just the idea of selling out the team name?

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I'm against it because I am far from convinced that the league is in need of money. If they are reallly strapped for cash, then they have been fucking up. Period. Because, last I checked, I drop about 100 bucks each Spurs game I go to.

Here's a little more ...

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Name your team

CLOSE YOUR EYES a sec and imagine these new teams in the NBA: The New York Nike Knicks. The Chicago Coca-Cola Bulls. Or, the Philadelphia Cream Cheese 76ers?

Don't laugh. As if there's not enough logo/brand marketing on sneakers and elsewhere, NBA execs reportedly are considering allowing advertiser logos on player uniforms - if the price is right. (There's a surprise, eh?)

Dallas owner Mark Cuban (another surprise) said in an e-mail to the Associated Press that "anything that creates new revenue sources is good for both the teams and the players."

The NBA, unlike some leagues, has kept its jerseys clean of logos to date, including the logo of Reebok, the official uniform supplier of the NBA.

Commissioner David Stern told Bloomberg News that he and others could see a day when that changes, but said that the league is not presently soliciting offers.

"At some point in the future, the NBA owners will have a decision to make," Stern said. "In events that are broadcast around the world to 200 countries, there may come a time, in recognition of the exposure that the uniforms get, that there's a value proposition that would cause us to consider changing our policies."

It will be interesting to see where the NBA draws the line. I mean, even Victoria's Secret could make Stern an offer he can't refuse.

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I'm against selling out the team name, but I wouldn't mind having say a sports logo like nike or adidas on the shirt and pants. It doesn't really change anything, and in most other countries its done fairly often. Ofcourse, I hope they don't go overboard and just have players jumping around like formula one cars with 101 advertisements on their uniforms.

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So you wouldn't mind the Spurs eventually being named The Valero San Antonio Spurs?

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...gives me creeps....

NO. Pls.....

HAHA, I reiterate: I am a HUGE NBA fan. Try this, and I am out of here and never coming back. Not like I was gone after the baseball strike. Gone for fucking good. You hear me you fucking moneygrubbing fucks? GONE.

Maybe instead of players getting offensive and stupid tatoos, they should tatoos of nike addidas etc on there arms n legs or neck.....or like in boxin how they have advertisements on there backs or like in european soccer how the players have white singlets underneath there jerseys with advertisements...

i think fans should get endorsements too. I will be Spurs Fan In Seat 32-11-24 brought to you by Blow Me.

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Originally Posted by David Stern

"At some point in the future, the NBA owners will have a decision to make," Stern said. "In events that are broadcast around the world to 200 countries, there may come a time, in recognition of the exposure that the uniforms get, that there's a value proposition that would cause us to consider changing our policies."

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Originally Posted by David Stern

If a company is willing to give us $500M+ to put a logo on the uniforms, you are damn straight we'd take the money.

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I really can't blame them. As long as they keep it looking clean, I couldn't care less if there was a swoosh or some golden arches on the uniforms.

NASCAR/Indy Car Racing had ads on their uniforms for years and you don't hear them complain. Soccer teams have sponsors on their uniforms also.

I think it would be silly seeing teams with different sponsors on their jerseys. It will drive some fans away, but it will also bring in some new ones.

Welcome to Corporate America... :(

It's gonna happen whether you want it to or not. The first round was college bowls, then the stadiums, now the uniforms. 'Minutemaid Field' is my favorite faggy stadium name....

Of course they tore down 'Veterans Stadium' and 'RFK'.

I'm telling you, eventually it will be the San Antonio HEB's against the Detroit Fords.....

By the time your grandkids are your age it will be common and not a second thought about it.

You know what's after that...airports, then cities. Instead of flying into Ohara or LaGuardia you'll be flying into Walmart International in the city of Applebees.

Then it will be the Exxon Sprint -vs- the Microsoft Big and Tall in the State Farm Super Bowl.

I wouldn't mind a swoosh or as TimVP said Golden Arches, but the picture of a basketball player whored out like a NASCAR driver is in his jumpsuit isn't one I really care for.

I don't know how these guys loose money, other than overpaying the shit out of their players, many of whom are already making a shitload of money from other companies.

I mean seriously, watch a game and first you have the channel itself that paid the NBA for the rights to broadcast the game, then the stadium name, for example SBC Center, then tickets to the game, then merchandise like hats, t-shirts, etc, then you have advertisements at the stadium on scoreboards and what not.

That's just a small part of it all, the NBA is whored out as bad as Star Wars....

I hope I die soon

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Originally Posted by timvp

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I really can't blame them. As long as they keep it looking clean, I couldn't care less if there was a swoosh or some golden arches on the uniforms.

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Would you tattoo my dick on your face for a couple grand?

OK, that was stupid and uncalled for. BUT im drunk, and I think everyone should stop accepting being treated like a fucking whore

Well, somebody has to pay those salaries. Look for a lockout. The players may as well have SAS negotiating for them. They're 'this' close from being locked out.

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Well, somebody has to pay those salaries.

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Do you believe the owners aren't making money?

And the league is only close to lock-out only because of greedy agents. Everything was already verbally agreed to by both sides until the agents got in the ear of the players association regarding the length of contracts.

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Originally Posted by Dingle Barry

Would you tattoo my dick on your face for a couple grand?

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:lol

I bet I could find someone who would.

Money makes the world go round.

:smokin

All's I know is, as much as I drop going to an NBA game, if anyone is losing money, somebody is fucking up, and I aint gonna pay for it.

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Originally Posted by timvp

:lol

I bet I could find someone who would.

Money makes the world go round.

:smokin

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Name and number? :blah

There was a guy on Conan O'Brien who sold out ad space in the form of tattoos all over his body ... when I saw him, he was discussing accepting money from someone to have a penis tattoo'd on him.

I don't know his name and number though. :lmao

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Originally Posted by timvp

:lol

I bet I could find someone who would.

Money makes the world go round.

:smokin

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I personally wouldnt do it, but I can find someone that can. And I will take a percentage from them for my finders fee. Its all about the green. The Valero Spurs sounds fine to me. Go for it. make that paper.


IF IT DONT MAKE MONEY, THEN IT DONT MAKE $EN$E.

It depends on the brand and the team, just look at this soccer River Plate shirt with Bud on it, it looks great:

http://img286.echo.cx/img286/2961/si...tabanda3dd.jpg

http://img286.echo.cx/img286/3774/si...setaneg1br.jpg

But there are cases of sponsors making the shirts worse.

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but it will also bring in some new ones.

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How is ads on a jersey going to do that?


I think the NBA should just have one big client. Like Nike or Addias or Budwesier or Pespi, or whoever and have them pay a very large some for an excluse brand agreement where their name would appear on the jesery (not very big), shorts, warm ups, head bands, tshirts, etc.

That would be 100x better than 20 different companies coverings up a jersey.

how is everyone dancing around the fact that THE ASSOCIATION IS NOT IN NEED OF MONEY

They have money but they want more. That's how it be.

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Originally Posted by Dingle Barry

how is everyone dancing around the fact that THE ASSOCIATION IS NOT IN NEED OF MONEY

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I thought they broke up in the late 60's.

Listen, here's the thing. Owners have one problem that players don't have and the unions of all sports will not tolerate. Performance pay. You think the Clippers are selling out ? HELL NO. You can make money if you have a winning team. If your team is losing you can't GIVE a fockin' ticket away.

So, what did the owners do. They went corporate season ticket holders and the ticket prices went through the roof for john doe IF they can even get tickets. The spurs have the best price structure in the NBA and more non-corp cheap seats available than ANY NBA team. Period. IF they start losin'....that ain't gonna last.

Everyone yaps about execs making money when their company is going bust, myself included. So why are athletes exempt here ? If you can get on the CEO making millions when his company is losing revenue, can't you get on the player and cut his salaray when he's losing revenue ?

If they do it like the English soccer teams it wouldn't look too bad
http://www.onlinejersey.com/manu-h.jpg

http://www.onlinejersey.com/celtic-h.jpg

But they must limit the number to one (and probably the size too).

But if they can avoid it all together it would be even better. I for one think the Spurs Jerseys look pretty nice without any additional shit on them.

As for the teams name: Hell no! I find the practice ridiculous and frankly unnecessary.

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Originally Posted by Slomo

If they do it like the English soccer teams it wouldn't look too bad
http://www.onlinejersey.com/manu-h.jpg

http://www.onlinejersey.com/celtic-h.jpg

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So you're saying....that doesn't look bad. Okaaaay....

Imagine the possibilities!

Absolut Vodka - Vin Baker
KFC - Shaq

Two points:

1. I call bullshit on the NBA losing money. Stern must think we're morons.

2. What do you guys think it's all about anyway? Pride? Offering the civic service of wholesome entertainment? Nope. Nothing but the green. Always has been, always will be. If you can't handle it, stick to amateur/college sports. And even that's debatable.

As an aside, I would hate to see the Texaco Spurs vs. Carl's Jr. Mavericks. Well, I wouldn't mind the Carl's Jr. Mavericks so much. It's kind of funny.

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Originally Posted by Pandaemonaeon

Imagine the possibilities!

Absolut Vodka - Vin Baker
KFC - Shaq

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Really? I always took Baker for a Colt .45 man.

NASCAR-ing NBA uniforms?

or scarring NBA uniforms?

NBA? Just like religion, "It's a business".

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Originally Posted by word

So you're saying....that doesn't look bad. Okaaaay....

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No I'm saying it doesn't look too bad. Specially compared to something like this:

http://www.freewebs.com/rankinis/han...03_5835824.JPG

I also said (further down in my post) that I would prefer the Jersey to remain as they are (specifically the Spurs jerseys).

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Originally Posted by BronxCowboy

Two points:

1. I call bullshit on the NBA losing money. Stern must think we're morons.

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Maybe you are a moron. Don't just toss me into your camp like that with the big 'we' thing.

Not all of 'em are making money, I assure you of that. Wait...okay...let me explain here.

Let's say you open up a mobile fajita stand. You do your books and find that you're making a whopping $8 a day profit. Are you losing money ? No. Can you find something ELSE to do with your time to make more than $8/day. I would hope so.

There's a term for that in Economics but, as someone said here 'sports' teaches you a whole bunch of stuff about life. Pssst....'Opportunity Cost'.

Their profits or 'money they be makin' has to exceed what they could do with their money or time elsewhere. In other words. It can't be a waste of time, like owning an airline. Of course, sports franchises and airlines are typically things people buy that are trying to get laid in their 60's, not make money. Plus they both have bitchin unions and high labor costs.

Put that fajita stand on the scale of someone who can own an NBA team, then you're there.

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Originally Posted by word

Maybe you are a moron. Don't just toss me into your camp like that with the big 'we' thing.

Not all of 'em are making money, I assure you of that. Wait...okay...let me explain here.

Let's say you open up a mobile fajita stand. You do your books and find that you're making a whopping $8 a day profit. Are you losing money ? No. Can you find something ELSE to do with your time to make more than $8/day. I would hope so.

There's a term for that in Economics but, as someone said here 'sports' teaches you a whole bunch of stuff about life. Pssst....'Opportunity Cost'.

Their profits or 'money they be makin' has to exceed what they could do with their money or time elsewhere. In other words. It can't be a waste of time, like owning an airline. Of course, sports franchises and airlines are typically things people buy that are trying to get laid in their 60's, not make money. Plus they both have bitchin unions and high labor costs.

Put that fajita stand on the scale of someone who can own an NBA team, then you're there.

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I agree with you on the economics issue, but that's not what he said. He said "losing money." There's a difference.

Besides, an NBA franchise is certainly not the world's best investment, but I guarantee you that somebody is turning a nice little profit, or they wouldn't be licensing new expansion teams, now would they? You don't expand a business venture that is losing money.

So NBA Jersey's will soon look like Soccer Jersey's?

Cialis or Viagra?

wow
ad on jerseys would suck.

"money is what makes the world go round"
liberalism forum.

to make a comparison with soccer again, there's only one team in europe that doesn't have an ad on its jerseys. and they get respect for it.

http://www.fc-barcelone.com/maillot04051.jpg

NBA is a business but cmon the adless jerseys is one of the best thing. I have a spurs jersey and believe me i wouldn't buy one with ads on it.

Yeah...I think we're having a problem with semantics here. Confusing the NBA and with specific owners/teams. I'm saying, not all NBA teams are profitable in the sense that if they aren't winning, there's about a 1000 places they could put their money to get a return. Canadian pipelines. Whatever.

Granted, no one has ever sold a team for a loss that I'm aware of. Red McCombs leased the chapparals for 75k/yr before he bought 'em for chump change and named 'em the spurs then the ABA went 'poof' and the NBA took the Spurs in. THAT's good bidness. Those opportunities don't come along that often.

I thought ...of course...I'd make a horseshit perfessor, that I made it fairly easy to understand 'opportunity cost' and why 'losing money' is not necessarily the same thing as 'no profit' which is what that poster equated 'losing money' with. I equate it with, 'could make mo' money elsewhere'.

The players negotiate % of 'revenue' anyway. Not profit.

Please tell me I don't have to go there.....

That's why we name stadiums after orange juice now. Sports franchises are still 'hobbies' for the rich, for the most part.

And, to edit...if the players want those salaries they're gonna have to wear golden arches or whatever, on their jerseys. The money has to come from somewhere.

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Originally Posted by stéphane

wow
ad on jerseys would suck.

"money is what makes the world go round"
liberalism forum.

to make a comparison with soccer again, there's only one team in europe that doesn't have an ad on its jerseys. and they get respect for it.

http://www.fc-barcelone.com/maillot04051.jpg

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What's that 'swoosh' dealy up there on the right shoulder of that jersey ?

Go Nike !!!

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Originally Posted by word

What's that 'swoosh' dealy up there on the right shoulder of that jersey ?

Go Nike !!!

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they make the jersey. and its small.

You can call them the H-E-B Spurs as long as I get free tickets to the game!

Seriously, if teams make enough money from Sponsors, then the tickets should be free. After all, we're just watching ads run by scoring points, right?

Right?!?

I don't really care if ads are put on jerseys or not. What I want to know is will the jerseys look like European soccer unis (with the sponosr featured prominently) or like Arena football or NFL Europe jerseys (with smaller patches)?

I wouldn't see a problem with it, so long as the "SPURS" is still the dominant part of the uniform, and the owners are able to pass at least some of the profit along to the fans.

For example, I do not particularly enjoy paying $10 for some popcorn and a drink. With millions comming in off the adds, there would be less of a need to rape us for cash via the food.

There comes a point when the potential profit of a situation outweighs the morality of it. Something tells me NBA owners wouldn't pass on a few hundred million just to keep the NBA "like the good ole' days."

I can just see the silouhette of Jerry West in the NBA logo, suddenly decked out with Nike shoes, dribbling a Spalding b-ball, Starter athletic wear, and a tall, cool, refreshing Diet Coke in his off hand. With the advent of things like Tivo, which allow people to skip commercials altogether advertisers are going to do whatever it takes to get the ads into the games themselves. I wouldn't mind them selling a little space on the jersey's but if a team sells it's name? That's too far in my mind. Although I think it would present a wonderful new forum for the Beer and Cola Wars to spill into. "Welcome to tonight's match-up between the Seattle Sprites and the Detroit Pepsis."

It would suck. Besides computer nerdz like us don't need stupid ad's we are smart enough to figure out what / when we need to buy. Ad's are for idiots.

[QUOTE=Kori Ellis]So you wouldn't mind the Spurs eventually being named The Valero San Antonio Spurs?
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I most definitely would. I think it is a stupid idea and here is why:
For the most part, people already drop the San Antonio, and say the Spurs. The added company name will never stick. Give it up people!

Okay, let's start having some fun with this thread.

Kobe Bryant and the Lakers, brought to you by Kleenex (much more effective if the Lakers ever find there way back into the playoffs).

I think it would totally be over the line to put adds on team jerseys. The only thing I could see happening is if they let RBK or Nike put their tiny RBK or swoosh logos on the jerseys like on golf shirts. But that is absolutely the limit! Let advertisers read these forums! I will personally stop buying from any brand that puts it's name on a Spurs jersey!!! GRRRRRRRR!!!!

D'Antoni's Suns, brought to you by Bu_wieser.

Intresting- wasn't it last year the NBA outright refused the overtures from Federal Express to buy the Grizz when they were on their way to Memphis? FedEx was going to change the name of the team to the Express and dress them in purple & orange jerseys (FedEx's colors). They were also going to give the NBA a huge pile of cash to do it, and the league outright refused.

It has already happened in football, so I gues the NBA can't be that far away. The Bears are officially known as "The Chicago Bears sponsored by Bank One."

ugh.

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D'Antoni's Suns, brought to you by Bu_wieser.

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wouldn't that be _'Antoni's Suns? :lol

Jerome James brought to you by Glad Trash Bags
Dont get mad get Glad.

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I know it (corporate advertising) will eventually happen, but I hate that crap. I even hate Bowl Games with the big corporate sponsorships.

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Amen. I can live with stadiums being named (although I don't like it) but not all over the uniforms or a team name. I could live with a swoosh or reebok logo but not like the Euro jerseys.

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Intresting- wasn't it last year the NBA outright refused the overtures from Federal Express to buy the Grizz when they were on their way to Memphis? FedEx was going to change the name of the team to the Express and dress them in purple & orange jerseys (FedEx's colors). They were also going to give the NBA a huge pile of cash to do it, and the league outright refused.

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Yes it was.

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Amen. I can live with stadiums being named (although I don't like it) but not all over the uniforms or a team name. I could live with a swoosh or reebok logo but not like the Euro jerseys.

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my thoughts exactly.

The NBA is one of the very few major league worldwide that doesn't have advertising on jerseys. I dont buy my local basketball teams merchandise because it has "BankWest" (Australian Bank) plastered all over it which makes it look just shit house. I won't buy Spurs merchandise if it has a huge logo of some company on it like those pathetic looking european soccer jerseys. The National Basketball Competition even has advertising all over the floor, ugggh.

I wouldn't mind a Reebok sign in the top corner, nothing wrong with that, but any further and I won't be buying any Spurs jerseys.

You'd be a fool to believe that ticket and food prices will go down due to the team being sponsored.

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Originally Posted by Gatita

You'd be a fool to believe that ticket and food prices will go down due to the team being sponsored.

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agree.
it's not like the attendance is 50%. as long as there are people willing to pay high prices for seats tell me a reason why they would lower them?

Can anyone Photoshop a Spurs Jersey with the Kotex logo on it, yeah I said it, because according to Stern, if the company gives them hella cash, they're gonna put it on the uniform. So get ready for your San Antonio Kotex Spurs!

Buying a player jersey with a Nike or Reebok logo is one thing, but how many people would buy Jersey's with the McDonald's symbol or Hershey's symbol, etc on it? Would you actually walk around wearing that?

It's got to happen eventually. It's called "maximizing your revenue streams." The big European soccer clubs already do it. I see nothing wrong with it.

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Originally Posted by tlongII

It's got to happen eventually. It's called "maximizing your revenue streams." The big European soccer clubs already do it. I see nothing wrong with it.

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That's only because you haven't seen the new "A-1 Bail Bonds" Trailblazer uniforms yet. :lmao

as a long time soccer fan, i hate corporate sponsors advertising on jerseys. the best thing to do is either charge reebok more and allow them to put their logo on the jersey, or let nike, adidas, reebok, etc bid each other out for the right to put a discreet symbol, as in the barcelona jersey somebody posted, and even then it is clearly not a necessity

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It's got to happen eventually. It's called "maximizing your revenue streams." The big European soccer clubs already do it. I see nothing wrong with it.

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See my post above with the FC Barcelona Jersey.
Maybe you dont consider the Barca being one of the best team :rolleyes

If a team wants to make more money??

More power to em. Its america, do what you want.


You people saying you wouldnt go anymore?? Adios, Ill take your lower level seats.

And Btw you cant compare soccer and NBA.
In NBA there is a salary cap.
In soccer, the more money you have the more good players you can hire.

TPark for you business > sport?
I mean I hate the idea of the sport just being a business sorry.

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See my post above with the FC Barcelona Jersey.
Maybe you dont consider the Barca being one of the best team :rolleyes

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How about Manchester United....or Arsenal?

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Originally Posted by stéphane

there's only one team in europe that doesn't have an ad on its jerseys. and they get respect for it.

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Originally Posted by stéphane

And Btw you cant compare soccer and NBA.
In NBA there is a salary cap.
In soccer, the more money you have the more good players you can hire.

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If you're referring to FC Barcelona I can tell you that Nike pays them a LOT of money to wear only a swoosh.

In fact, this whole thing will be what causes the lockout not to happen. Both sides making money from this selling out bullshit advertising.

Typical, America.

This is a ploy by stern to get the fans on the side of the league against the players in the upcoming negotiations.

The NBA didn't lose money last year when you take appreciation of the teams into account.

They just want to say "well, we can either pay players less and make a profit OR.. we can put names on the Jerseys and sell the name of the Franchises."

Which do you think the fans will back?

They don't care if a millionaire player makes 10 or 11 million for 4 years or 5 years garunteed.

Stern wants the average ignorant fan on his side in the argument.

Frankly, games like that just make me hate the little Nazi Fuckwad more.

Is there such thing as a "good" commishiner? (sp)

Actually, Barcelona just signed a new sponsor for next season, I think it's the Beijing Olympics or something, anyway. No, I would hate it. I like the unis clean and simple. Just the team logo and the small Reebok logo.

I don't care about the arena's, but the unis aren't a good idea. Maybe it's good for the owners but I don't like it.

As long as I see Manu play I don't care.

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Originally Posted by MI21

The NBA is one of the very few major league worldwide that doesn't have advertising on jerseys. I dont buy my local basketball teams merchandise because it has "BankWest" (Australian Bank) plastered all over it which makes it look just shit house. I won't buy Spurs merchandise if it has a huge logo of some company on it like those pathetic looking european soccer jerseys. The National Basketball Competition even has advertising all over the floor, ugggh.

I wouldn't mind a Reebok sign in the top corner, nothing wrong with that, but any further and I won't be buying any Spurs jerseys.

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My thoughts, exactly MI21. It's nothing new to the international basketball scene. Once multiple sponsors go on the unis...it just becomes clutter. Nokia, Nike,and Valero on the Black and Silver Spurs uniform just cheapens it.

http://www.euroleague.net/fotos/slid...Slide_1645.jpg

You think the Clippers are selling out ? HELL NO. You can make money if you have a winning team. If your team is losing you can't GIVE a fockin' ticket away.


WRONG.

The clippers are making lots of money. Don't know how far back it goes but Stirling is a strict businessman. Do you think he'd own a team that pathetic if it was losing money?

The salary cap is guaranteeing that for him, he gets more money back bc their salary is so low.

One of the gripes i've been having is that i miss when stadiums, domes or whatever DIDN"T have marketed names. I loved the thought of going into the "Hive" to battle the hornets, the Alamodome to take on the spurs. Pyramid, even Great Western Forum had a lot more prestige than FedEx center or Staples, whatever that stands for. I wish the wolves could play in a "Den" or "Lair" or something besides Target center.

This is probably the ONLY time in history where this is called for to use this movie as an analogy but anyone remember BASEketball? I liked the ideas of the teams, arenas, uniforms, players, etc.... all taking on there local reputations. I'm sure we'll never see the S.F. Ferries but you get my drift. Locally, the concessions in SA could be labaled Saloons or watering holes, Pop could hold a roundup instead of a timeout, Parking lots could be labeled O.K. Corral instead of Lot G. It gave it more of a mystique.

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OK, that was stupid and uncalled for. BUT im drunk, and I think everyone should stop accepting being treated like a fucking whore

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lets see, how many times have use used the f word in this thread, man umust be really drunk