Would you make this trade?

So I was having a few beers with another long time fan and he was concerned about our size in the paint particularly when we play the Lakers and Mavericks in the playoffs. So he offered up this trade idea:

Spurs trade McDyess, Splitter and our 2011 #1 pick
to Cleveland for Anderson Varejao. Cleveland cuts McDyess and we resign him 30 days later.

We get a forward that can play with energy and cause some havoc with LA and Dallas. He also has experience in the Spurs system.

Cleveland gets cap relief and a young player with upside with a very reasonable contract and a #1 pick.

Would you make this trade?

I would want Varejao, but there's no way he's worth McDyess, Splitter AND a #1 pick..

We get McD back and the #1 is a late pick and we already have a stable of young players.

You really want to trade away Splitter before having at least 1 full season under his belt? The Spurs only coveted him for about... forever.

Splitter is going to be a project like RJ. He's going to need this whole season to get acclimated then he'll come around next year and become who we want him to be.

Splitter, and a 1st.

For Varejao.

I would just give up McDyess and a second rounder for Varajeo but that aint happening.

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Originally Posted by Twisted_Dawg

So I was having a few beers with another long time fan and he was concerned about our size in the paint particularly when we play the Lakers and Mavericks in the playoffs. So he offered up this trade idea:

Spurs trade McDyess, Splitter and our 2011 #1 pick
to Cleveland for Anderson Varejao. Cleveland cuts McDyess and we resign him 30 days later.

We get a forward that can play with energy and cause some havoc with LA and Dallas. He also has experience in the Spurs system.

Cleveland gets cap relief and a young player with upside with a very reasonable contract and a #1 pick.

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the knicks can give them a better offer if they stike out on melo
Would you make this trade

Well one thing is for sure...we ain't been gettin' shit out of 'McDyess, Splitter and our 2011 #1 pick'.

RC better get on the ol' telephono asap and correct this because right now every big, i.e., PF and/or C is chomping at the bit to play the Spurs so they can pad their stats. Damn too many big numbers put on Timmy, Blair, & McD this season. And since TS doesn't get to play and Bonner thinks he is a damn 6'10" shooting guard we're in trouble against teams like the Lakers & Celtics come playoff time. Our smaller guys will have to shoot in the 65% range during each series.

btw...RC, stop going after Ime. He is at best a sometimes 'D' Leaguer. It is making you & Pop look stupid. Go after a big that can give us a few rebounds, a block or two and use of fouls. Also to give TD more resting pine time.

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Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37

I would want Varejao, but there's no way he's worth McDyess, Splitter AND a #1 pick..

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I'd do it for Bonner, Mcdyess (if he came back after 30 days) and a #1 but not Splitter...

Spurs could have chosen Varejao when they drafted Beno. :lol

i'd make it in a heartbeat if it doesn't cost a first rounder.

Sorry, no Sideshow Bob for me.

Hell yes I would make that damn trade, I wish the Cavs would do it, they have nothing going for them, they need the pics and the cap space

I like Varejao...he's got hustle and he's a master at drawing fouls.

I thought we are getting D. Howard for McDyess, Splitter and our 2011 #1 pick

No.

splitter & Dice are not expiring contracts that's why they would demand a 1st rounder imho. if they were expiring contracts the cavs would be more than glad to get it done in a heartbeat.

Spurs want to win a title right? they know the window is almost done right? why do they give a damn about a 1st rd pick if it means a potential title?

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Originally Posted by ploto

Spurs could have chosen Varejao when they drafted Beno. :lol

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Mahinmi over David Lee/Gortat/Turiaf/Bass/Ersan Ilyasova/Blatche/Amir Johnson is just as bad. Seriously, the 2nd round was loaded with talent that year and the Spurs waste their pick on the most injury-prone, low bball-IQ big I've ever seen play in a Spurs uniform.

Keep in mind that our #1 pick will be late in the first round and the chances of finding another George Hill is not good.

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Originally Posted by Twisted_Dawg

Keep in mind that our #1 pick will be late in the first round and the chances of finding another George Hill is not good.

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We have drafted late for years & have done a decent job as of late.

If you could guarantee Dice back with us after 30 days, then that's worth discussing. But here is the bottom line:
-You don't know for sure if Dice will come back - you just don't. This wouldn't be the first time either, Dice was packaged with Billups for AI and did indeed return to Detroit, but I cant imagine this type of stuff doesn't have an effect on ones pride.
-You don't know if that late 1st round is valuable or not. George Hill's don't happen often, but that doesn't mean they never do. Too many cons in this trade.

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Originally Posted by ploto

Spurs could have chosen Varejao when they drafted Beno. :lol

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Even the best make the occasional mistake. Case in point. :toast

So the official "Splitter sucks let's get rid of him" threads are starting to roll in... let's check the DNP meter:

Splitter DNP's (incl a game of 1 minute): 8
Spurs losses: 6

I know Chumpdumper is biting his nails as I write this.

honestly, i would do it but take out the first round pick or splitter. spurs need to just go all in. splitter isn't going to meaningfully contribute this year in the playoffs. as the season drags on and splitter continues to remain nailed to the bench, come on, every spurs fan has seen this before. popovich isn't going to change his mind.

this is probably the spurs' last chance to win a title in a while. the stars are aligning for them. no injuries yet, injuries to the celtics and mavs, lakers stumbling, plus the heat are still in their first year and dealing with injuries themselves. this will be an all or nothing ride. spurs can't be satisfied with a 1 seed and a WCF exit. there is no future for this team. plus, it's not like varejao is an aging veteran, he'll still be useful next year if the spurs manage to win a title this year.

Is there a way we could get Gortat from the Suns for Dice & Splitter and a 2nd rder? Splitter clearly isnt part of our plans this yr but I'd hate to see another Scola thing! The man wasnt MVP of his league for nothing!

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Spurs trade McDyess, Splitter and our 2011 #1 pick
to Cleveland for Anderson Varejao. Cleveland cuts McDyess and we resign him 30 days later.

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The Cavs aren't going to trade him away for a project, the 28-30 pick in the draft, and player they're going to cut...

No, but I would trade George Hill for Omri Casspi.

George has this and next year left on his contract, at which time he is gonna want a hefty raise and starter minutes.

Omri has 3 years left on his contract.

Sacramento wants a PG for Omri.

Hill is 24 yo and shoots 38.6 from three and is 6-2. (11.2ppg)
Omri is 22 yo and shoots 40% from three and is 6-9. (8.9 ppg)

With Anderson coming back I feel we have the depth at guard to make this trade and get a smart, tall and true backup SF.

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Originally Posted by angelbelow

If you could guarantee Dice back with us after 30 days, then that's worth discussing. But here is the bottom line:
-You don't know for sure if Dice will come back - you just don't. This wouldn't be the first time either, Dice was packaged with Billups for AI and did indeed return to Detroit, but I cant imagine this type of stuff doesn't have an effect on ones pride.
-You don't know if that late 1st round is valuable or not. George Hill's don't happen often, but that doesn't mean they never do. Too many cons in this trade.

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I'm pretty sure that building a buyout of McDyess into the trade is against the CBA rules. The Spurs and Cavs could discuss it, but the Cavs could choose to turn around and trade McDyess anywhere, or just keep him.

What about McDyess + Splitter, but without the pick? The Spurs have only one starting-quality big man, and Varejao would give them two. Then, even if McDyess doesn't come back, the big rotation of Duncan/Varejao/Blair/Bonner is pretty stout.

Hell no, Splitter's a better player and he has more upside...

no

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Originally Posted by angelbelow

If you could guarantee Dice back with us after 30 days, then that's worth discussing.

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Originally Posted by Twisted_Dawg

So I was having a few beers with another long time fan and he was concerned about our size in the paint particularly when we play the Lakers and Mavericks in the playoffs. So he offered up this trade idea:

Spurs trade McDyess, Splitter and our 2011 #1 pick
to Cleveland for Anderson Varejao. Cleveland cuts McDyess and we resign him 30 days later.

We get a forward that can play with energy and cause some havoc with LA and Dallas. He also has experience in the Spurs system.

Cleveland gets cap relief and a young player with upside with a very reasonable contract and a #1 pick.

Would you make this trade?

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No but I would make a trade for Bargnani, cause Bargnani can help on both ends. Varejao would help defensively but he wouldnt play for the same reason that Splitter doesnt play. Matt Bonner stretches the floor AND plays passable defense/rebounding( I used the words passable and rebounding LOOSELY).
Check out youtube Andrea Bargnani: 5 years on, I dont know how to paste it, Sorry.

I'd love to have Bargnani, but he's the #1 option in Toronto and he's not up for grabs.

With Varejao and Manu playing on opposite ends the Spurs can flop every team to death and in stereo. :hat

Splitter sucks...trade his ass.....

tbh, if you got Varejao you would never have to worry about Dirk facefucking the Spurs ever again.

I've said many times on here that Varejao seems to guard Dirk 1 on 1 better than anybody in the league

Not just "no", but "HELL NO"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by dbestpro

No, but I would trade George Hill for Omri Casspi.

George has this and next year left on his contract, at which time he is gonna want a hefty raise and starter minutes.

Omri has 3 years left on his contract.

Sacramento wants a PG for Omri.

Hill is 24 yo and shoots 38.6 from three and is 6-2. (11.2ppg)
Omri is 22 yo and shoots 40% from three and is 6-9. (8.9 ppg)

With Anderson coming back I feel we have the depth at guard to make this trade and get a smart, tall and true backup SF.

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I always advocate Spurs getting a tall SF. And his 3pt shooting looks good. But how good is he on the defensive end? Is he a smart defender?

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Originally Posted by portnoy1

No but I would make a trade for Bargnani,

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Still pushing Bargnani....

Let's play along and assume that the Spurs would be interested. Andrea makes 8.5M this year and is the face of the franchise in Toronto. So what do we have that Toronto would accept in exchange for Bargnani?






(Patiently waiting for proposed Parker trade)

Splitter could be a major piece to keeping the Spurs relevant over the next 6 -8 years. Why would you trade him for someone who is at best a role player.

Splitter is the better basketball player. On another team that gives him 25-30 min a game he will produce good numbers. It would be a huge mistake to make this trade. I would not trade Splitter for Varejao. We give up way to much potential for someone who won't make a difference this year.

nope

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Originally Posted by cube1980

I always advocate Spurs getting a tall SF. And his 3pt shooting looks good. But how good is he on the defensive end? Is he a smart defender?

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He plays hard, but it is difficult to assess his defense because he plays for Sacramento. He is also fairly athletic so I think Pop could really do a lot with him on the defensive end.

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Originally Posted by dbestpro

He plays hard, but it is difficult to assess his defense because he plays for Sacramento. He is also fairly athletic so I think Pop could really do a lot with him on the defensive end.

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Watching the SAC vs DEN game right now and I say 'Wow'. I really like his game. Defensively he plays hard and uses his body well. And he knows where his teammates are, which is a plus for team defense. Hope Spurs can get this guy.

Splitter has not reached his peak and he was still better than Varejao on the Brazilian team last summer.

No way. I think Varejao is one of the most overrated players in the league. Great flopper and hustler, and obviously can rebound, but very little skill. Pop seems to like players with basketball skills.

Hill for Casspi is very intriguing. I think he would be much better on the Spurs. But that trade might throw off our momentum and chemistry this year if he has to learn the system and slow down what we already have going on.

hill for grant hill i do

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Originally Posted by Seventyniner

I'm pretty sure that building a buyout of McDyess into the trade is against the CBA rules. The Spurs and Cavs could discuss it, but the Cavs could choose to turn around and trade McDyess anywhere, or just keep him.

What about McDyess + Splitter, but without the pick? The Spurs have only one starting-quality big man, and Varejao would give them two. Then, even if McDyess doesn't come back, the big rotation of Duncan/Varejao/Blair/Bonner is pretty stout.

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blair isn't big by length but im more than satisfied with his performances this season as a starter. trigga rebounds and plays good D especially when playing against soft bigs. Varejao would give us a 3rd quality big and another big chip for a championship bet

spurs picks often turn into good triggas for example blair & hill, despite being ranked 25th - 30th

just get varejao w/o losing the pick, we STACKED :lobt2:

Hell no.

All that for Varejao? No way. I wouldn't even trade Splitter straight up for him.

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Originally Posted by dbestpro

No, but I would trade George Hill for Omri Casspi.

George has this and next year left on his contract, at which time he is gonna want a hefty raise and starter minutes.

Omri has 3 years left on his contract.

Sacramento wants a PG for Omri.

Hill is 24 yo and shoots 38.6 from three and is 6-2. (11.2ppg)
Omri is 22 yo and shoots 40% from three and is 6-9. (8.9 ppg)

With Anderson coming back I feel we have the depth at guard to make this trade and get a smart, tall and true backup SF.

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This raise will appear with Duncan`s 21mln $ coming of the books, and Gino in his last season. I don`t know about new bargaining agreement, but resigning Hill for 50mln/6yrs would be a heck of a deal along with Blair 24mln/ 2yrs+2to.

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Originally Posted by Mal

This raise will appear with Duncan`s 21mln $ coming of the books, and Gino in his last season. I don`t know about new bargaining agreement, but resigning Hill for 50mln/6yrs would be a heck of a deal along with Blair 24mln/ 2yrs+2to.

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I was under the impression Hill has been pretty awful this season. Is he really worth 50 million?

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Originally Posted by dbestpro

No, but I would trade George Hill for Omri Casspi.

George has this and next year left on his contract, at which time he is gonna want a hefty raise and starter minutes.

Omri has 3 years left on his contract.

Sacramento wants a PG for Omri.

Hill is 24 yo and shoots 38.6 from three and is 6-2. (11.2ppg)
Omri is 22 yo and shoots 40% from three and is 6-9. (8.9 ppg)

With Anderson coming back I feel we have the depth at guard to make this trade and get a smart, tall and true backup SF.

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I haven't seen enough of Casspi to make an educated comment here, but I did see him tonight against the Nuggets. Watching him get bullied around by Melo didn't really leave a good impression, though.

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Originally Posted by Twisted_Dawg

So I was having a few beers with another long time fan and he was concerned about our size in the paint particularly when we play the Lakers and Mavericks in the playoffs. So he offered up this trade idea:

Spurs trade McDyess, Splitter and our 2011 #1 pick
to Cleveland for Anderson Varejao. Cleveland cuts McDyess and we resign him 30 days later.

We get a forward that can play with energy and cause some havoc with LA and Dallas. He also has experience in the Spurs system.

Cleveland gets cap relief and a young player with upside with a very reasonable contract and a #1 pick.

Would you make this trade?

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Never happen. To cut McDyess, Cleveland would owe him the rest of this season's money, plus the 50% from next year that he's owed. They're not going to eat $6M.

He is done for season.

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Originally Posted by IronMexican

I was under the impression Hill has been pretty awful this season. Is he really worth 50 million?

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He started the season like shit, came back and buttfucked the league for a bit after his injury and now he's back to shit.

lets not trade splitter. I'm getting sick of watching players we trade away bloom on other teams.

Varejao is done for the year

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=6006057

I wouldn't trade Splitter straight up for Varejao. Varejao may seem better now, but that's because he's more used to the "NBA game". Splitter is younger, longer, better offensively and has a higher upside.

For this season (had he not got his ankle messed up), Varejao would slightly increase the Spurs chances to win the championship, but not enough to justify making this deal.

For those who constantly complain about the Spurs lack of size, this wouldn't help matters. Until he adds more bulk, Splitter's more of a 4 and 1/2 than a 5, but Varejao is a 4. His listing is clearly embellished. In reality, he's no more than 6-10 250.

This team already doesn't have a true center on the roster. Why would you want to further exacerbate that situation for a minor short term upgrade, but likely a minor long term downgrade?

Unless it's someone who makes this team markedly better immediately and isn't a fossil, I wouldn't trade Splitter.

Var ay ho....sucks balls...

The Varejao discussion is now moot with the season-ending foot injury, but still I think this is yet another case of impatient Spurs fans giving up on Splitter way too early.

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Originally Posted by dbestpro

No, but I would trade George Hill for Omri Casspi.

George has this and next year left on his contract, at which time he is gonna want a hefty raise and starter minutes.

Omri has 3 years left on his contract.

Sacramento wants a PG for Omri.

Hill is 24 yo and shoots 38.6 from three and is 6-2. (11.2ppg)
Omri is 22 yo and shoots 40% from three and is 6-9. (8.9 ppg)

With Anderson coming back I feel we have the depth at guard to make this trade and get a smart, tall and true backup SF.

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No way. I love Casspi's game, but George is a pure balla. We'll find a way to pay him because he's a future cornerstone of the franchise. Those people contending that "he sucks" or "he has sucked this year" obviously haven't been watching the games, because although he started slowly he's been playing very well for quite a while now.

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Originally Posted by cube1980

I always advocate Spurs getting a tall SF. And his 3pt shooting looks good. But how good is he on the defensive end? Is he a smart defender?

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Yes, Casspi is a good defender.

sorry to hear that Vareao is out for the season.

list of seriously injured bigs is growing quickly. (Oden, Yao, Haslem)

this ends any discussion, if Spurs should trade for Varejao, like some rumors about interest from the Spurs reported some weeks ago.
btw. if it would have been Dice (plus filler) plus 2011 1st rounder, I would have been all for it. if it had included Dice+Splitter, then no.

Cavs look bound for worst team in the league this season. (with no Lebron waiting in the 2011 draft class)