George Hill in Away Games

been saying for a long time that one of the reasons i'm not "sold" on Hill is that he's a completely different player when he plays in away games. he has much less of an impact on the game when he's playing away, and it has been a significant theme not only from George Hill's prespective but the team's prespective. tonight the Spurs needed GHill3 and he didn't show up. i think it's a deserved criticism for a guy that doesn't get much on this site, for whatever reason it's downplayed.

here's to hoping that George Hill can step up on the road when it matters most in the playoffs because the Spurs will need that out of their 6th man. :toast

thoughts?

Well I agree because after every George Hill miss I kept saying that he is shit on the road. He needs to raise his confidence on the road because he play SOFT a lot of the time when he is not in the AT&T center,

An excellent observation. Here are Hill's home v/s road numbers:

Home: 13.3 PPG, 53% FG, 50% 3FG
Road: 8.5 PPG, 41% FG, 27% 3FG

That's a huge drop-off.

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Originally Posted by Warlord23

An excellent observation. Here are Hill's home v/s road numbers:

Home: 13.3 PPG, 53% FG, 50% 3FG
Road: 8.5 PPG, 41% FG, 27% 3FG

That's a huge drop-off.

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I knew there was a difference, but WOW that is a bigger difference than I thought.

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Originally Posted by Warlord23

An excellent observation. Here are Hill's home v/s road numbers:

Home: 13.3 PPG, 53% FG, 50% 3FG
Road: 8.5 PPG, 41% FG, 27% 3FG

That's a huge drop-off.

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:wow

Good thread Mingus.

George really needs to learn to play better away from home, otherwise he's a huge liability.

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Originally Posted by Warlord23

An excellent observation. Here are Hill's home v/s road numbers:

Home: 13.3 PPG, 53% FG, 50% 3FG
Road: 8.5 PPG, 41% FG, 27% 3FG

That's a huge drop-off.

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Wow...I really didn't think it was that bad

He's been like this from day 1.

Nothing new here.

It's easier to hate on Bonner, tbh

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Originally Posted by Warlord23

An excellent observation. Here are Hill's home v/s road numbers:

Home: 13.3 PPG, 53% FG, 50% 3FG
Road: 8.5 PPG, 41% FG, 27% 3FG

That's a huge drop-off.

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am I reading the stats wrong or does he also average nearly 50% more turnovers and 25% fewer steals on the road?

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Originally Posted by objective

am I reading the stats wrong or does he also average nearly 50% more turnovers and 25% fewer steals on the road?

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You're right on those - he does average more TOs and less steals on the road. The only thing that doesn't drop off on the road is the rebounding and assists. But everything else tanks badly.

getting home court adavange may be a bigger key then I thought

hill does play well in dallas though

It's not a secret that role players are always better at home than on the road.

Hill is a cerebral player, almost to a fault. His game is almost based entirely on his rhythm.

If Hill is on a roll, he is active on both ends of the floor, he has good decision make, and his shot is beautiful.

If Hill is off, though, he takes himself way out of it. He starts making poor decisions, missing shots, and generally becomes a shell of the player he can be. Unfortunately, he doesn't seem to have a very short memory either, so one bad game can throw him into a slump.

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Originally Posted by Dex

Hill is a cerebral player, almost to a fault. His game is almost based entirely on his rhythm.

If Hill is on a roll, he is active on both ends of the floor, he has good decision make, and his shot is beautiful.

If Hill is off, though, he takes himself way out of it. He starts making poor decisions, missing shots, and generally becomes a shell of the player he can be. Unfortunately, he doesn't seem to have a very short memory either, so one bad game can throw him into a slump.

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this.

bad game from hill today had about 2 open corner 3's, and dumb turnover at the end.

When a player hits a shot, he's a monster. When he misses, he's an oaf. Same player, same shot, different result.

Manu missed a few shots tonight, but had he hit those, he would have been hailed as the greatest. If he misses those looks at the end of the game, he's shooting too much.

Hitting your shots makes anything you do look right to the untrained eye and vice versa.

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When a player hits a shot, he's a monster. When he misses, he's an oaf. Same player, same shot, different result.

Manu missed a few shots tonight, but had he hit those, he would have been hailed as the greatest. If he misses those looks at the end of the game, he's shooting too much.

Hitting your shots makes anything you do look right to the untrained eye and vice versa.

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Hi, Kobe.

Its kinda hard to evaluate Hill. For a few games he looks like a up and coming star, then he regresses for a few games. Hope its just a learning curve for him.

Same pattern in year 1 and year 2.

Defenitely deserving of some criticism for this game, though he had a pretty solid outing against the knicks.

Hmm this is a pretty good thread. I had no idea the discrepenacy was so large between his home and road games. Something to keep an eye on for the rest of the season. If this is a consistent problem - that HCA will be that much more valuable.

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Originally Posted by DMC

When a player hits a shot, he's a monster. When he misses, he's an oaf. Same player, same shot, different result.

Manu missed a few shots tonight, but had he hit those, he would have been hailed as the greatest. If he misses those looks at the end of the game, he's shooting too much.

Hitting your shots makes anything you do look right to the untrained eye and vice versa.

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Does that mean you agree or disagree with the OP? You always have these ambiguous posts and not entirely sure there's any relevance to the topic.

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Originally Posted by DMC

When a player hits a shot, he's a monster. When he misses, he's an oaf. Same player, same shot, different result.

Manu missed a few shots tonight, but had he hit those, he would have been hailed as the greatest. If he misses those looks at the end of the game, he's shooting too much.

Hitting your shots makes anything you do look right to the untrained eye and vice versa.

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Yes, but the difference between Hill and Manu is that for every dumb, stupid play that Manu makes, he hustles and comes up with a defensive play to make up for that dumb, stupid mistake. He doesn't shrivel up and disappear. He keeps at it.

Funny how confidence is so important to the players. Look at how lost Manu was for most of last season until after ASB. It took him a long time to regain his confidence. Just makes me appreciate Duncan more - he hasn't gone through looooong stretches (months) like that throughout his career.

Big difference in home vs away for Hill - makes HCA throughout that much more important. Wish now that Popovich hadn't given up on the Knicks game - they are the type of team that might crumble in crunch time - young and inexperienced.

Still feel that Popovich should have put Hill on Rondo instead - maybe his long arms would have deflected some of Rondo's many assists. Hill is just terrible at going around screens - Parker is better.

Pop needs to play Splitter more - better defense against Davis might have been the difference - he wouldn't have been able to back down Splitter as he did Bonner. If Cs weren't leaving Bonner open, he shouldn't be on the court as he's useless on defense. Spurs aren't winning anything if the defense doesn't improve. They have enough offensive weapons.

Away games + quick or talented PGs

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Originally Posted by Warlord23

An excellent observation. Here are Hill's home v/s road numbers:

Home: 13.3 PPG, 53% FG, 50% 3FG
Road: 8.5 PPG, 41% FG, 27% 3FG

That's a huge drop-off.

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Sweet Jesus that is a big difference.

He should have a good game in Indiana.

Trade him for Casspi. Hill is gonna want a big raise and a starting gig in 18 months, anyway.

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Originally Posted by dbestpro

Trade him for Casspi. Hill is gonna want a big raise and a starting gig in 18 months, anyway.

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http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/e...48484/26825168

Casspi and Landry for Hill and Bonner?

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http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/e...48484/26825168

Casspi and Landry for Hill and Bonner?

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Bad trade. Trading for landry, would mean having 2 undersize bigs on a team already undersized.

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Originally Posted by angelbelow

Hmm this is a pretty good thread. I had no idea the discrepenacy was so large between his home and road games. Something to keep an eye on for the rest of the season. If this is a consistent problem - that HCA will be that much more valuable.



Does that mean you agree or disagree with the OP? You always have these ambiguous posts and not entirely sure there's any relevance to the topic.

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Why do I have to agree or disagree?

Why make observations about someone's shooting efficiency, and pretend it's about his game? If Hill goes 9 for 9, he's the player of the game.

There are 4 other players who are doing things while the 5th has the ball. Their game is going on at that time. Still, people seem to evaluate the player based on how he acts with the ball, and how he acts while defending the guy with the ball. How about his rotations, his picks, his boxouts?

Not many here pay attention to those because you cannot copy and paste those as stats, so you cannot pretend to be a pundit and use stats to support your argument that's as weak as fuck to everyone who knows anything about the game.

Fan rating of a player... big fucking deal.

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Originally Posted by ElNono

It's easier to hate on Bonner, tbh

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:lol

However, the Red Rocket has played better this season than I've ever seen him play, tbh. Still see him as a liability until he proves himself in the playoffs.

Those Hill stats by Warlord are pretty telling regarding Hill. Hill needs to become more consistent on away games. Those stats are :wow.

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:lol

However, the Red Rocket has played better this season than I've ever seen him play, tbh. Still see him as a liability until he proves himself in the playoffs.

Those Hill stats by Warlord are pretty telling regarding Hill. Hill needs to become more consistent on away games. Those stats are :wow.

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Better than ever huh? Big fucking deal. Better than not much is still not much.

George Hill did well in Indiana, but here's the kicker... that's his home.

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Trade him for Casspi. Hill is gonna want a big raise and a starting gig in 18 months, anyway.

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I'm curious about this proposed idea...but doesn't Sacramento want more a passing PG to allow Tyreke to be more of a pure scorer?

We don't need a Sasha on the Spurs, plus guitardude15 (should be his name) would burn a cross at the AT&T center.

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Originally Posted by DMC

Why do I have to agree or disagree?

Why make observations about someone's shooting efficiency, and pretend it's about his game? If Hill goes 9 for 9, he's the player of the game.

There are 4 other players who are doing things while the 5th has the ball. Their game is going on at that time. Still, people seem to evaluate the player based on how he acts with the ball, and how he acts while defending the guy with the ball. How about his rotations, his picks, his boxouts?

Not many here pay attention to those because you cannot copy and paste those as stats, so you cannot pretend to be a pundit and use stats to support your argument that's as weak as fuck to everyone who knows anything about the game.

Fan rating of a player... big fucking deal.

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How can you not use stats to support your argument? They can mislead, but there's clearly no denying that Hill is worse on the road. It was an observation I and probably a lot of people made and the stats back it up.