Defense vs. Rondo

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Originally Posted by lakaluva

The Lakers had no problem beating a healthy C's with the strategy of laying off Rajon, how come the Spurs can't do it against an injured C's. Come one, get your shit together, we gave you the blue print already.

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Yeah, but the Bucks gave you hell huh? Oh and the Grizz.. Then again so did we.

More Rondo. (Sorry for the format.)

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Rondo’s 22 assists rank among top four opponent totals in Spurs history
Tim Griffin

Name Team Date Assists Score (SA is first score)

John Stockton @Utah 1-15-91 28 102-124

Kevin Johnson Phoenix 4-16-94 25 94-96

Rajon Rondo @Boston 1-5-11 22 103-105

Kevin Porter @Detroit 12-23-78 22 130-126

John Stockton Utah 4-19-92 21 90-101

John Stockton Utah 3-11-91 20 105-96

John Stockton @Utah 3-3-90 20 96-112

Kevin Johnson @Phoenix 4-15-89 20 91-137

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http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursna...spurs-history/

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Originally Posted by EricB

The knicks game was only in reach to people that are drunk.

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:drunk

Thanks for rubbing it in, 228. :lol :toast

how was the knick game not in reach. all the spurs needed in that game was back to back stops and after tonight or just being a spurs fan over the past couple of decades...........why would you EVER.....EVER give up on the spurs

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Originally Posted by austN Spur

how was the knick game not in reach. all the spurs needed in that game was back to back stops and after tonight or just being a spurs fan over the past couple of decades...........why would you EVER.....EVER give up on the spurs

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I agree both with this sentiment, and that Pop waved the white flag too early. But I understand where people who feel like we had no chance are coming from. I'm not sure if the Spurs had been able to string together 2-3 stops the entire game; what were the odds they were going to be able to do it in the crunch? The Knicks were rolling like a freight train.

It was definitely a long shot, but still....sometimes even long shots hit their target. I really think that giving them at least another 90 seconds of playing time could've at least determined whether they truly had a chance at that game or not.

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Originally Posted by Dex

I agree both with this sentiment, and that Pop waved the white flag too early. But I understand where people who feel like we had no chance are coming from. I'm not sure if the Spurs had been able to string together 2-3 stops the entire game; what were the odds they were going to be able to do it in the crunch? The Knicks were rolling like a freight train.

It was definitely a long shot, but still....sometimes even long shots hit their target. I really think that giving them at least another 90 seconds of playing time could've at least determined whether they truly had a chance at that game or not.

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If you lose, you lose. Emptying the bench with 3 mins to go is pretty much guaranteeing the loss. I understand Pop was mad and all, and that he likes to pull that stuff though.

I gotta admit Rondo is one of my favorite players in the league that isn't a Spur, but timvp's right...he's an NBA player for a reason...you can't leave him THAT wide open, no matter how bad his J is...he can still knock it down here and there.

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Originally Posted by crc21209

but timvp's right...he's an NBA player for a reason...you can't leave him THAT wide open, no matter how bad his J is...he can still knock it down here and there.

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Thing is, you can leave him wide open if you have the right defensive personnel.

Defensive personnel the Spurs do not have and the very reason why they aren't a serious contender to win the NBA championship.

If i had to complain about something tonight it would be the fact that big baby hit fadeaway after fadeaway.

It reminds me of this guy named Julian. he was about 15 to 20 years older than everyone down at the courts and would hit the most bullshit shots. except for him they were not BS.

for big baby i think i can say they were BS

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Originally Posted by timvp

I know Rondo can't shoot but sagging soooo far off of him all game did more harm than good. Against regular defenses, Rondo has great court vision. With no one within five feet of him even when he had the ball, his great court vision became even better. A main part of the reason Ray Allen was able to destroy the Spurs was Rondo was able to feed him easy passes at the perfect time.

Even though the Spurs weren't really defending him, all he would have to do was feign going to the basket and the defense would have to collapse to respect his quickness. That alone allowed Big Baby to get about ten open looks.

And then with so much space, Rondo himself started knocking down jumpers. You could call those fluke shots but most those looks were so wide open than even Rondo could knock them down.

A better strategy would have been pressuring him when he had the ball and just not rotating to him when he would go up for a shot. By pressuring him, the Spurs could have at least made it difficult for him to find teammates. Pressuring him made even more sense than usual because he was obviously still not 100%. He was limping around the court and was about half as explosive as usual due to his ankle injury.

I was sure there was going to be an adjustment at halftime but it didn't happen. Rondo was able to dish out 22 assists without breaking a sweat or making a difficult pass.

The defensive gameplan the last two games have been too soft. It's no mistake the Knicks and Celtics combined to shoot about 60%. The Spurs give no resistance at the point of attack and then wonder why the opposition is getting whatever look they want. Against Rondo specifically, the Spurs' strategy was like not sending a pass rush against a quarterback with a weak arm and then watching the quarterback dink and dump their way to 400 yards.

Parker isn't exactly Mark Price but no team has the chutzpah to totally ignore him. It's just not a viable defensive strategy against a star point guard, which Rondo certainly qualifies.

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Perhaps the biggest myth in basketball is that by going under the screen on the screen-and-roll with poor shooting PG's, you're going to limit their effectiveness. Any PG with the quickness, court vision and passing ability of Rondo, will pick a team apart doing that, because those guys thrive off of time and space and when you go under, that's what you're giving them.

Like any good player, different looks needs to be thrown at him. At times they should have blitzed, trapped, hedged, showed and recovered, went over, went under, etc. You give him a steady diet (particularly when it includes time and space) and you're asking for chaos to ensue.

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Originally Posted by lakaluva

The Lakers had no problem beating a healthy C's with the strategy of laying off Rajon, how come the Spurs can't do it against an injured C's. Come one, get your shit together, we gave you the blue print already.

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That was a quick month.

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Originally Posted by lakaluva

The Lakers had no problem beating a healthy C's with the strategy of laying off Rajon, how come the Spurs can't do it against an injured C's. Come one, get your shit together, we gave you the blue print already.

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No problem = 7 games

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Originally Posted by timvp

I know Rondo can't shoot but sagging soooo far off of him all game did more harm than good. Against regular defenses, Rondo has great court vision. With no one within five feet of him even when he had the ball, his great court vision became even better. A main part of the reason Ray Allen was able to destroy the Spurs was Rondo was able to feed him easy passes at the perfect time.

Even though the Spurs weren't really defending him, all he would have to do was feign going to the basket and the defense would have to collapse to respect his quickness. That alone allowed Big Baby to get about ten open looks.

And then with so much space, Rondo himself started knocking down jumpers. You could call those fluke shots but most those looks were so wide open than even Rondo could knock them down.

A better strategy would have been pressuring him when he had the ball and just not rotating to him when he would go up for a shot. By pressuring him, the Spurs could have at least made it difficult for him to find teammates. Pressuring him made even more sense than usual because he was obviously still not 100%. He was limping around the court and was about half as explosive as usual due to his ankle injury.

I was sure there was going to be an adjustment at halftime but it didn't happen. Rondo was able to dish out 22 assists without breaking a sweat or making a difficult pass.

The defensive gameplan the last two games have been too soft. It's no mistake the Knicks and Celtics combined to shoot about 60%. The Spurs give no resistance at the point of attack and then wonder why the opposition is getting whatever look they want. Against Rondo specifically, the Spurs' strategy was like not sending a pass rush against a quarterback with a weak arm and then watching the quarterback dink and dump their way to 400 yards.

Parker isn't exactly Mark Price but no team has the chutzpah to totally ignore him. It's just not a viable defensive strategy against a star point guard, which Rondo certainly qualifies.

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Thats Rondo's weak link. His jumper. If you pressure him hes quick enough and long enough to finish, or dish.

i for one am not afraid of the Celtics. bring them bitches on in the playoffs. Sun shines on a dogs ass anyday

off to xbox live for one hour before I call it a night Go Spurs GO:flag:

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Originally Posted by timvp

Stop complaining. Are you PMSing? Spurs lose a couple games and you are melting down.

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Ahhhhhhh, so Kori is lakaluva.

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Originally Posted by austN Spur

i for one am not afraid of the Celtics. bring them bitches on in the playoffs

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you'll never get the chance to see them, tbh.

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Originally Posted by DeadlyDynasty

you'll never get the chance to see them, tbh.

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the day i give a Fuck what a laker hoe says will be a day Way after :flag:I listen to my wife.

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Originally Posted by timvp

I know Rondo can't shoot but sagging soooo far off of him all game did more harm than good. Against regular defenses, Rondo has great court vision. With no one within five feet of him even when he had the ball, his great court vision became even better. A main part of the reason Ray Allen was able to destroy the Spurs was Rondo was able to feed him easy passes at the perfect time.

Even though the Spurs weren't really defending him, all he would have to do was feign going to the basket and the defense would have to collapse to respect his quickness. That alone allowed Big Baby to get about ten open looks.

And then with so much space, Rondo himself started knocking down jumpers. You could call those fluke shots but most those looks were so wide open than even Rondo could knock them down.

A better strategy would have been pressuring him when he had the ball and just not rotating to him when he would go up for a shot. By pressuring him, the Spurs could have at least made it difficult for him to find teammates. Pressuring him made even more sense than usual because he was obviously still not 100%. He was limping around the court and was about half as explosive as usual due to his ankle injury.

I was sure there was going to be an adjustment at halftime but it didn't happen. Rondo was able to dish out 22 assists without breaking a sweat or making a difficult pass.

The defensive gameplan the last two games have been too soft. It's no mistake the Knicks and Celtics combined to shoot about 60%. The Spurs give no resistance at the point of attack and then wonder why the opposition is getting whatever look they want. Against Rondo specifically, the Spurs' strategy was like not sending a pass rush against a quarterback with a weak arm and then watching the quarterback dink and dump their way to 400 yards.

Parker isn't exactly Mark Price but no team has the chutzpah to totally ignore him. It's just not a viable defensive strategy against a star point guard, which Rondo certainly qualifies.

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The sagging off of Rondo opening up the passing lanes is the conclusion I came to in my synopsis as well. I don't like the strategy one bit.

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Originally Posted by 21_Blessings

Thing is, you can leave him wide open if you have the right defensive personnel.

Defensive personnel the Spurs do not have and the very reason why they aren't a serious contender to win the NBA championship.

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Lakers defense and offense is a joke, thanks

:wakeup

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Originally Posted by Amuseddaysleeper

Lakers defense and offense is a joke, thanks

:wakeup

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Why u mad, brah?

You guys won that December championship fair and square, and nobody can ever take that from you :toast

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Originally Posted by DeadlyDynasty

Why u mad, brah?

You guys won that December championship fair and square, and nobody can ever take that from you :toast

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You're one of the better Laker posters no doubt, 21 Blessings is kind of a bitch :toast

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Originally Posted by DeadlyDynasty

Why u mad, brah?

You guys won that December championship fair and square, and nobody can ever take that from you :toast

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So the Lakers got the January championship in their sights? GL. :toast

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Originally Posted by Amuseddaysleeper

Lakers defense and offense is a joke, thanks

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A playoff vetted defense and offense.

Manu, Jefferson, Parker are mediocre perimeter defenders at best and that's being generous (Parker). Hill and Neal with no significant post-season experience.

Nothing to do with scheme as timvp hypothesized. You don't have the personnel to play championship caliber defense.

It's 7 seconds or bust. :lmao

When I sometimes talks to myself on forum everybody thinks I'm crazy - but whatever :)


timvp is right on money on that one.


Many times rondo just stood at the top of the key or at the 3pt line and was waiting for shooters to come out of the screens. And With C's being the best at free the shooters- they demolished the spurs.

We all wanted to see how the spurs gonna play against elite teams. Now we know.