China developing stealth jet?

they don't need them. they launch sub missiles off the coast of cali. remember yoni?

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Originally Posted by Wild Cobra

I would disagree with your concept of China. They were definitely lacking in the past when it comes to technological creativity, but I would never say that about them today.

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What have they done to make you think otherwise?

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First flying wing stealth plane, circa 1944 or thereabouts.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,529548,00.html

Is china developing a stealth jet? Who. Cares.

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Originally Posted by Yonivore

Not the place I originally read it (I'm still search back through their posts) but, here's one...

PLA's Stealth Surprise to Gates: Was it A Surprise to HU Too?

Here, I googled: "Jintao Hu surprised by J-20" and came up with the above and other links claiming the same. Take your pick...I honestly don't remember which of the blogs I regularly read had it and now, I'm having trouble find the post.

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Thanks for looking, you didn't have to. Thanks for the link, too. :tu

(If it had occurred to me that you'd oblige my request for info, I guess I'd not have been such a jerk about it. My bad, Yoni.)

Woot. Let China sink millions into a fighter. Then maybe other countries will ask them for help instead of us. :lol

Honestly, the F22 is an amazing piece of equipment. If China builds something comparable, it just means that, if we theoretically went to war, we wouldn't necessarily have the airpower advantage. (Not sure on number of planes each country owns.) But if China and the US go to war, it would wreck the whole world. I don't think that would ever happen, and I don't think the rest of the world would want to see that either.

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Originally Posted by Yonivore

What you don't do is kill your own 5th generation fighter...

We were told it would be 2020 before the Chinese had this aircraft...Obama and Gates killed the F-22 purchases. Ooops!

China's J-20 stealth plane maiden flight on film

Heck of a job, Barry.

To be fair, it has been said that Hu was as surprised about the J-20 as Gates, who was there on an official visit when the leaked video aired. Maybe the Industrial Military Complex of China is keeping Hu out of the loop.

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Well, we still have Raptors... just less of them. In all fairness, I can see why they cut the budget for them, as Raptors cost alot of money. That money could go towards warfighting efforts that effect terrorism much more than the Raptors ever could.

(Also, more Raptors means more expensive pilots to train, pay compensation, etc etc)

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Originally Posted by Winehole23

Thanks for looking, you didn't have to. Thanks for the link, too. :tu

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Glad to oblige.

Cut $300B/year from Defense budget.

The Defense budget corruption, waste, fraud, corporate socialism transferring taxpayer wealth to the corps and debt to taxpayers is weakening America, not strengthening it.

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Originally Posted by byrontx

First flying wing stealth plane, circa 1944 or thereabouts.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,529548,00.html

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Called the Horten 229, the radical "flying wing" fighter-bomber looked and acted a lot like the U.S. Air Force's current B-2 — right down to the "stealth" radar-evading characteristics.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,...#ixzz1BOJDIru7

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Well, they are a bit off there. The shape alone would be great against that circa RADAR, but modern stealth go beyond just the shape. It only has one stealth characteristic. Modern craft have several.

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Originally Posted by LnGrrrR

Well, we still have Raptors... just less of them. In all fairness, I can see why they cut the budget for them, as Raptors cost alot of money. That money could go towards warfighting efforts that effect terrorism much more than the Raptors ever could.

(Also, more Raptors means more expensive pilots to train, pay compensation, etc etc)

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I wish I went Aircraft maintenance (parts changer) rather than communications maintenance (parts changer) at times. It does pay better.

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Originally Posted by Vici

What have they done to make you think otherwise?

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<crickets>

There is show on History Channel? about some US mega-MIC corp building a full-sized model of the Nazi stealth plane, 65+ years old, to test it on their radar range for stealthiness. A project that probably cost a couple $M of taxpayer money, "just for fun".

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Originally Posted by ElNono

<crickets>

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So, when do we start using this advanced technology?

UFO's have been around for decades and we've been in some pretty tough scrapes over those same years. If the U.S. has that shit, there have been plenty of opportunities to drag it out of The Skunkworks and put our enemies in their place.

The facts are this:

China has abandoned its "hide and bide" strategy for weapons development. Where they used to hide their advancements and bide their time until it was needed, they now "leak" proof of what they have. I don't think that's an accident.

Also, China has let it be know they've developed a carrier killing missile.

I do believe China thinks they've turned a corner in their arms race with the U.S.

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Originally Posted by Yonivore

So, when do we start using this advanced technology?

UFO's have been around for decades and we've been in some pretty tough scrapes over those same years. If the U.S. has that shit, there have been plenty of opportunities to drag it out of The Skunkworks and put our enemies in their place.

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What does what we have has to do with China being innovators?
The Raptors are living proof of what we have and what nobody else has.
We also pioneered the unmanned drones, which are actually in operation right now. Things like the ADS millimeter-wave transmitter...

The advanced tech is out there. You're just taking it for granted.

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Originally Posted by Yonivore

The facts are this:

China has abandoned its "hide and bide" strategy for weapons development. Where they used to hide their advancements and bide their time until it was needed, they now "leak" proof of what they have. I don't think that's an accident.

Also, China has let it be know they've developed a carrier killing missile.

I do believe China thinks they've turned a corner in their arms race with the U.S.

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China has shown that it understands their new role as a world economic power. As such, they need to show off they're also investing in the military and weapons. The reality also shows they're still playing catchup, and when you end up following the money, you see that they spend a whole lot less than the US in actually trying to be ahead of the game.
The fact that they're still paying up to acquire tech should be a sign of where they're really standing at, as far as investing in military R&D.

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Originally Posted by Parker2112

cousin just got back from Afghanistan and told me that, as an officer over there, he was privy to the constant push by upper-level brass to sell weapons and technology to locals...even BEFORE our guys had yet to get to use the stuff.

MIC makes money around the globe selling weapons. Its a racket. Its a way to fund their activities without having to rely on congressional funding.

The shit we see in the press is twenty years old anyway.

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"weapons and technology" = non-rusting assault rifles, and *gasp* working radios.

When you have left-over crap weapons captured from the Soviet Union in the 1980's, tanks literally held together with bailing wire and truck parts, then "weapons and technology" means something vastly different.

Unless of course you mean that they are selling advanced aerospace technology to iron-age tribal groups?

'splain what you meant here.

As for the Chinese "stealth" fighter, it is a "first-step" prototype, from all the analysis I have read.

A bit ahead of what was generally attributed to the Chinese, but hardly a game-changer. No where near where the US is in either stealth or advanced avionics.

Their anti-ship missle on the other hand deserves far more worry. That thing is pretty much designed to evade Aegis systems and take out our aircraft carriers.

The idea that large ships such as our super carriers would eventually become obsolete has been a meme that has been floating around defense circles for some time.

That oft-repeated idea may be finally borne out.

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Originally Posted by Yonivore

So, when do we start using this advanced technology?

UFO's have been around for decades and we've been in some pretty tough scrapes over those same years. If the U.S. has that shit, there have been plenty of opportunities to drag it out of The Skunkworks and put our enemies in their place.

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F-117A,
U2 spy plane,
B2,
F-16,
F-15,
F-22,
Yf-23,
etc.

We have seen these planes in wars and they have allowed us to completely dominate the air.

BS marketing from China. If it was anything close to production, no news would be coming out.

This saber-rattling appears as a Chinese guy comes to US to negotiate financial stuff.

Of course, the paranoia-spewing right-wingers grab ontuit to suck more wealth out of taxpayers' pockets.

China developing stealth chemtrails?

http://cache1.asset-cache.net/xc/200...AF9B7D601FECA8

I'm convinced.

Ok now I'm confused. If you're such a conservative republican as all of your posts imply, how can you hate on the government's decision to save countless hundreds of millions by going with the F35 instead of the F22? Do you even know the difference? Did you even know the F35 existed?

You can't argue about debt (and blame the current White House for poor spending habits) while arguing that we should be spending hundreds of millions on a jet that is replaceable by an equivalent jet at a fraction of that cost.

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Originally Posted by Yonivore

What you don't do is kill your own 5th generation fighter...

We were told it would be 2020 before the Chinese had this aircraft...Obama and Gates killed the F-22 purchases. Ooops!

China's J-20 stealth plane maiden flight on film

Heck of a job, Barry.

To be fair, it has been said that Hu was as surprised about the J-20 as Gates, who was there on an official visit when the leaked video aired. Maybe the Industrial Military Complex of China is keeping Hu out of the loop.

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Originally Posted by LnGrrrR

Well, we still have Raptors... just less of them. In all fairness, I can see why they cut the budget for them, as Raptors cost alot of money. That money could go towards warfighting efforts that effect terrorism much more than the Raptors ever could.

(Also, more Raptors means more expensive pilots to train, pay compensation, etc etc)

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This point is also true if you ask the non-USAF military. I just finished reading a book by an Army Captain saying the Army would do better with the equivalent investment in $150 handguns than have the latest jet. But I guess $150 handguns don't make for cool recruiting commercials.