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This is the second game in a row where Parker hasn't been on the floor in the final minute. Pop seems to be opting to going with Hill.
Do you guys agree with this? I understand putting Hill in for defensive purposes but it's very rare to not see Tony on the floor when the game is close.
Something to keep an eye on, imo.
Maybe he's still sick? He said he felt pretty lousy after the last game.
He wasn't d-ing up, and Hill is balling.
Good call, although he seemed to at least be aggressive this game you'd think Pop would've kept him in. His drive and kick to the man for the open 3 is usually a bread and butter play late in games.Quote:
Originally Posted by duncan228
Hill is 2-11 from the floor. He's been pitiful save for a couple plays earlier.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChuckD
Hill has been playing like crap IMO
I don't think parker played the entire 4th did he? 25 total minutes played
pop pulled parker after he made a mistake defensively around the 6 minute mark and never put him back in because of it.
Maybe Pop knows that these are the pressure situations hill needs for the playoffs and is saying "Better win fucker."
So playing teams with shit records who aren't challenging our position and playing Hill gives him some real crunch time experience?
As someone else said... he's still not feeling well.
Pop benched him after he pussied out of a charge and he didn't play after.
Hill is not playing well right nowQuote:
Originally Posted by Amuseddaysleeper
I'm for parker over hill in the clutch as a general rule. If we need Defense... Hill is the guy. But we had the lead tonight.
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JMcDonald_SAEN
Parker still hasn't played since Pop benched him at 6:14 for failing to take a charge from a careening Kevin Love.
Hill is trash as a closer
One word DEFENSE. Hill is superior to parker in that reguard. Parker is the superior player overall. Methinks
meh give me parker over hill if we're going defense
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Originally Posted by Amuseddaysleeper
Really?
Did you REALLY think Pop suddenly decided TP was crap in clutch and Hill should finish games instead of him??!! :lol
Waow, a couple bad/sick games and here we go...
this... unless parker is getting taken into the post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cant_Be_Faded
Its really a toss up. I guess it depends on circumstance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cant_Be_Faded
Tony either just didn't have it or is still feeling the effects of whatever bug he got prior to the Indiana game.
I'm guessing if Pop believes all things are going to be pretty close to equal defensively and distributing-wise, Tony just not getting people involved (for whatever reason), he'd rather have the 3-point spacing of Hill and the better free-throw shooting down the stretch.
No, but I'm trying to look at it logically, that maybe Parker is running out of gas faster since he has been under the weather lately. Manu went through the same thing and his game suffered a bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pauleta14
I agreed with you earlier, that it's dumb to take Parker off the floor with the game on the line, but if it's because Parker is still sick then I'd understand.
Uh, Parker played all but eight seconds of the final ten minutes against the Pacers. Pop pulled him for a play to use Gary Neal as a decoy in a side out of bounds play.
In this game, TP apparently didn't want to suffer internal injuries by taking a charge from Love so Pop benched him. (That or illness or both.)
Idk dog house, TP not feeling good, Hill needing some clutch situation experience, Defense... difficult to know.
Anyway I think this is stupid, TP is really good to have in the fourth. I don't buy the Defensive purpose, Hill is trash against PGs so Manu defends the PG and Hill the SG either way it is not the ideal.
Now if it's the dog house stuff then Pop needs to chill out a little on TP because TP is the only one to receive this kind of treatment.
I guess those last 8 seconds of the Pacers game stuck out in my mind too much. :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by timvp
7-7 FTs, 3 rebs, 2 asst 2stlQuote:
Originally Posted by Amuseddaysleeper
FG percentage isn't the be all end all of basketball. George was doing a good job QBing the team.
It actually wasn't the final eight seconds. :) Parker was put back in after the Neal decoy and hit the final two free throws at the end to put the Spurs up by three. Hill played the final seven minutes straight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Amuseddaysleeper
Hill has got to learn to help close games by taking care of the ball first and foremost. He turned over the ball in the last couple of minutes in the last game.
Then tonight, he turned it over again in the last couple of minutes when he stepped out of bounce. He's got to clean that shit up because we're going to need him.
As far as Pop taking Tony out-- I think he's still not feeling 100% and Pop just rolled with Hill.
Ducks should be fucking mad at Pop LOL
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/imag...ine=1294626889
Subtle, 'Sleeper. :rollin
I disagree, the Offense was stagnant with him, he turned the ball over stupidely, defensively I didn't see something special that would have compensated his poor Offense.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChuckD
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Originally Posted by Blackjack
Though I will give Bonner his props for his game today, it just tells me he'll probably suck in his next five. :lol
Please no more ball on Hill's hand at the end of game... PLEASE
We must have been watching a different game. The game I watched had Hill struggling to get the team into its sets and unable to create much of anything on the pick-and-rolls. He was doing a good job on the break and semi-break but couldn't create anything in the halfcourt settings.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChuckD
Dude is recovering from a stomach bug...do you really want him taking a hit in the chest/ab area by taking a charge? That could be asking for a big mess...
Look, the Spurs are extremely deep. This type of fast start has allowed Pop to do many things that will pay off long term (hopefully). He is able to manipulate things and kind of have in game practices due to the fact the Spurs are off to such a strong start. Because the team is so deep, he can do this without sacrificing wins so far.
He is also only having to play the big 3 a ridiculously low amount. With all of that in mind, Pop will probably do somethings that don't necessarily maximize the point spread. Giving Hill minutes, when struggling, in a close game, is something that will help Hill down the road (again, I hope).
When you can do that and still get the W, you should do it.
Slightly off topic, but Luke Ridnour = Ryan Seacrest with a jumpshot?Quote:
Originally Posted by guitardude27
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Ginobili post-game interview, "Tony was still sick."
5 minutes ago
A lot of guys werent playing well and Tony wasn't the only one who got out of Love's way on that play. I am prone to believe that Tony's stamina had a lot to do with holding him out. I'm not buying into any change until I see this as a consistent move by pop.
No, you're absolutely right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cant_Be_Faded
I wonder if Pop is just trying to build back Hill's confidence.
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Originally Posted by JMcDonald_SAEN
this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brazil
I think for tonight, Pop probably thought if Tony isn't healthy enough to take charges (+ he wasn't moving very fast/quick) he better go with Hill...
No big deal...
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Originally Posted by toki9
Major props for posting a link to the Unticket in your sig..Quote:
Originally Posted by Cant_Be_Faded
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Originally Posted by Amuseddaysleeper
also this game just proves tp is more important then people think
How, they won. Without him.Quote:
Originally Posted by ducks
That offense would have seemed a lot less stagnant had any of five or six three pointers dropped in the fourth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brazil
they won without him playing late but should not haveQuote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
wolves deserved the win tonight not the spurs
No :lol, The Spurs ballooned their lead without TP. They were in control and led the entire fourth without TP.Quote:
Originally Posted by ducks
He is a luxury and this game proves it. He is the Manning of the Spurs. He can be good sometimes, but in the 4th, you don't need him.
Was at the game behind the bench area. Didn't catch what happened on the play, but it was obvious Pop wasn't happened with Tony.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spursmania
Pop jumped on Tony on the transition and as soon there was a whistle yanked him.
I forgot who he subbed, but it wasn't a normal sub for Tony. Might have been the first guy Pop saw on the bench not wearing warm ups. Then he unloaded on Tony on the sideline.
During an important time out with lots of play to go, Tony justed looked off in the crowd. His body language confirmed his night was over.
Pop probably knew Tony was not 100%, but didn't want to miss a chance to make a point that if you're on the court you better make it happen.
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Originally Posted by PopRocks
Saw the play on DVR. Duncan also jump a little off the bench like "WTF Tony".
Missed what happened live. Anyway to check it out on video somewhere?
BTW, I was obviously kidding about TP.
if you recored the game, check the play before he gets pulled, Dice pressures a three, parker switched underneath, tp is standing outside the charge circle, love drives, parker moves out of the way, love lays it in...
no d, no play
goodnite noowww tp.
http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursna...fensive-lapse/Quote:
Parker banished for defensive lapse
Mike Monroe
The stomach ailment that nearly kept Tony Parker out of Friday’s game was nearly gone by tip-off Sunday, but the Spurs’ starting point guard may have ringing in his ears long after the 94-91 victory.
A defensive deficiency in the fourth quarter — Parker failed to step in front of Minnesota guard Luke Ridnour as he started a drive that produced a Kevin Love dunk — resulted in Parker’s banishment to the bench for the remainder of the game.
Spurs coach Gregg Popovich gave Parker an emphatic, pointed reminder on his way to the pine: Defensive miscues, especially in crunch time, won’t be tolerated.
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regular season, hill needs training to be a closer? don't read too far in to pop. they gotta learn sometime.
On Game Time React, Taylor indicated that Tony has been under the weather.
manu said on postgame parker is still sick
This is bullshit, if Pop had to bench every palyer with defensive miscues especially in crunch time, all the spurs should be benched I mean all beginning with Manu and Hill.Quote:
Originally Posted by duncan228
Wow 3 pages for a non issue and the media coming up with shit that tp was punished or something.
The guy was just sick! He is still not feeling well, that's the freakin reason.
If Pop does the same with Blair he won't play again this seasonQuote:
Originally Posted by Brazil
I think it had more to do with him playing bad D last night. Pop yanked him quick when he failed to cover on a switch. He had only played for about a minute before Pop pulled him again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Amuseddaysleeper
This has always been Pop's way. He's much more likely to make his point in this fashion by benching Tony Parker in January than by benching Gary Neal or George Hill ever. The point is to get Parker's attention; but it's also to show everyone else that the point is significant -- it's important enough that the lapse will cost a player like Tony Parker playing time. If you're a guy who doesn't have 3 All-Star appearances and a Finals MVP, I'd think the message would be loud and clear that your playing time will probably depend upon doing the little things the right way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brazil
Pop can do that with TP because he knows TP will answer well to that kind of treatment. Now he could also do that with Manu but he won't (here is my perception I have no evidence to back it up tbh) why ? I'm pretty sure Manu will accept it calmly too. Hill seems to be a different animal that needs confidence from his coach.Quote:
Originally Posted by FromWayDowntown
Anyway I still think this method is old, TP is no more a rookie. Dude is going inside against all the NBA bigs, taking charges, falling strongly on the floor and keeps going... and you bench him because once in his file he escaped from a charge ? this is bullshit, you do that when a player is soft, TP is the contrary of soft.
Its nothing new, there have been several clutch situations where Tp has been benched, playoffs included. As of late I dont know if he is fully recovered physically. Thats probably not why pop benched him, but I think that he is still feeling some after affects.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brazil
kinda like last season when he was dealing with injuries and never said anything. Also ginobili is probably the only player that will be put in any clutch situation regardless, their have been times when duncan sits on a few plays either because of his free throw shooting or because the team needs a 3.
This one thing to bench TP or TD on spot clutch situations (I don't remember a lot of them but why not ?) It is another thing to bench this kind of player during the last 6mn50 especially when Hill is playing so badQuote:
Originally Posted by portnoy1
BTW I fully agree Manu needs to play in all clutch situation regardless (except for Defending Dirk on the last Dallas play :p:) and we have to accept the outcome bad or good, fortunately there are much more goods than bads. And IMHO Pop should do the same with TP and Tim, I'd prefer living and dying by the big 3 than by the Bonner 3.
Whoever started this thread must be a TP hater. :lol Because Pop hasnt only benched TP in crunch time situations before. Hell even TD has been sat down in the clutch at times for not having a good night or making mistakes as well....
You miss the point. The message wasn't one intended for Tony Parker. We've been around the block enough times with Tony to know that he's pretty adept at atoning for his mistakes and too valuable to have on the bench when it wins and losses really matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brazil
It wasn't really about Tony Parker.
The message was for everyone else (other than Manu and Timmy). Pop was perfectly willing to risk losing a game to reinforce the point that everyone is expected to play hard on the defensive end; if one of the Big 3 can be benched for a defensive lapse -- not a physical error, but a mental error -- anyone can be benched. Now the Gary Neals and James Andersons of the world know that. I'm sure it made an impression.
It's entirely about a larger point. Tomorrow night in Minnesota, if the game is close in the late 4th, Tony Parker will be there.
:lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by Brazil
Flu perhaps, or maybe it was just Pop being Pop.
So you are late two days in a row and your boss says "So, now you have changed your schedule?"
Two data points doesn't equal a trend.
Rumor of a certain latina being in the Spurs family room last night and Tony going in there at halftime to see her and well, that not going over well....
Rumour..rumour, rumour...it's not good....
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Originally Posted by EricB
This!Quote:
Originally Posted by FromWayDowntown
The Spurs' have always been coachable, and that starts at the top. Tim gets yelled at.... TIM DUNCAN. I'm not talking about 2010 Tim Duncan, or rookie Tim Duncan, but league MVP, bad ass stone cold killer Tim Duncan. People coming over to the Spurs who hold the notion they are above reprimand are soon shown the light. That makes the team better from bottom up.
Tony knows.
JJ Barea was in the Spurs family room?Quote:
Originally Posted by EricB
there are 82 games, parker will get his turn just like everyone else
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Originally Posted by EricB
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Originally Posted by mabrignani
Sorry, but i had to
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Originally Posted by portnoy1
Are you talking about 2003? :depressed :lol
If not, please give us some examples...
Pop has also kept Tim and Manu in the bench at the end of tight games this season, I think that this season he will go (a lot of times) with whoever is playing better at the moment.
Pop should save some of that stick for Hill.