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What are you talking about? LeBron James big? Dwayne Wade big?
Honestly, at the time Rasho Nesterovic was seen as a major coup of a signing. Rasho was seen as the next big thing (kind of like Gortat) at the time. In retrospect it was undeserved, but at the time it was a considerable signing. But that was all borne from being unable to sign Jason Kidd.
Rasho was considered "big" because they Spurs have never signed shit when it comes to FA.
I guess the answer is a resounding no.
The Spurs, can not land a big name FA.
I don't remember it being pegged like that...Rasho was our consolation prize after losing out on Jason Kidd and Jermaine O'Neal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkwaters
Brent Barry and Michael Finley are about as good as SA has done in recent years
Spurs signed Tim Duncan when he became a free agent...
don't you think we would have known? no they havent
Duncan... also Finley was fairly coveted when we signed him up. Same could be said about McDyess...
Yet they have 4 championships. I guess when you draft smart and fill up your roster with solid role players, you don't need to overpay for talent like all the big markets.
Rodman?, Horry?, Jefferson? were no small fish and we're IMO very notable
and the Iceman and Swen Nater were considered huge catches for their time and resulted in legal actions in the ABA to prevent their acquisition. We wouldn't have been the Spurs or have the legacy we do without them.
Dale Ellis.
Finley was kind of a big deal back in 2005
I think we traded for all of the players you named except Horry. If free agency is what we are looking at then you would have to name players like Derek Anderson, Rasho, Oberto, Barry, Avery Johnson, Chuck Person (I think).Quote:
Originally Posted by JWest596
Spurs don't get a lot of star power when it comes to free agency. Really, Dice, Finley, Barry are the better pick ups. The Spurs have always traded well and drafted well.
Rodman and Jefferson were via trades, not free agency. I guess Jefferson opted out and then became a free agent (wink, wink) and then resigned with Spurs.Quote:
Originally Posted by JWest596
Rodman and Jefferson were acquired by trade...Quote:
Originally Posted by JWest596
You're right, I stand corrected.Quote:
Originally Posted by elbamba
I'd say both Finley and Brent Barry were nice semi-big name pick ups.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glenn Holland
Why are you so mad that the Spurs have troubles getting big name free agents?
Why do you think they have problems getting big name free agents?
Wouldn't Derek Anderson count as one?
Clearing up a lot of space to sign a big name FA is a pretty risky move for a FO to make tbh. Even ultramegahuge markets like Chicago and New York had to deal with the LeBron Sweepstakes leftovers even though they prepared for the past summer for years. Chicago has still failed to grab a starting caliber SG but they did try to sign JJ Redick but Orlando matched.
Hell not even the defending champs could convince Mike Miller, Kurt Thomas, or Raja Bell to sign with them for a lesser deal even though Kobe was trying to get 'em personally. Actually I'm not even sure if Miller and Thomas ended up taking more money than what they could've gotten in LA FWIW.
When it comes to SA its pretty impressive that they've been able to keep guys like Robinson, Duncan, Parker, and Ginobili. The last two guys probably could've gotten a significantly bigger deal in a bigger market elsewhere especially considering all the losers in the LeBron Sweepstakes. Duncan probably had enough leverage to get more $$$ than he's getting now as well which speaks volumes of not only the player but the Spurs organization imo.
Small market. Maybe some FA's are intimidated by Pop's no bullshit allowed coaching style. $$$$$$$, or lack there of.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blake
Our salary this year is ~$23,000,000 less than the Lakers. That's roughly 3 mid level exceptions and a league minimum, or enough to pay anyone's salary not named Kobe Bryant.
Makes it tough to win bidding wars when we spend ~$70 mil on a team and other teams spend over $85 mil+ to fill out their roster.
It also makes you wonder how good we would be if Sarver could pony up for that last big signing.
Fun fact: if the Lakers were to just keep their starting 5, dropping the other players from their cap, they would still have the 8th most costly roster in the NBA, $3,000,000 more than the Spurs spend on their entire team. Unreal.
Go soft cap FTW! :lmao :pctoss :rolleyes
Ish. Wasn't he putting up around 15 ppg with the Clips before he came here? Not exactly huge numbersQuote:
Originally Posted by rayray2k8
Who are the Lakers big coup in the last I dunno, 20 years?
Seriously, can you think of any big name free agent signing?
Don't give me Malone and Payton, old ring chasers.
Don't give me Artest. Getting old ring chaser.
So what, they get/got it done with trades and the draft. Just like the Spurs.
I like how that troll poster Glenn Holland started this just to insult the Spurs yet I bet that dumbass couldn't answer my question.
Glenn Robinson
Radoslav Nesterovic. 18 letters is a big name in my book.
True. And Pop's treating of Finley -- the glorification of -- was something I always believed to coincide with that fact; Fin chose Pop and the Spurs when so many had decided to bypass a Spurs' offer or failed to even consider them in the past.Quote:
Originally Posted by Amuseddaysleeper
Indeed. :tuQuote:
Originally Posted by spurs_fan_in_exile
Matt Bonner
Moses Malone and Dominique Wilkins :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Texas_Ranger
Vinny Del Negro
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Originally Posted by spurs_fan_in_exile
You mean ...Rasho Nesterovic
Shaq O'NealQuote:
Originally Posted by Buddy Holly
:tuQuote:
Originally Posted by designatedt
Wasn't it like 15 years ago? I forgot he was signed as a FA, for some reason I thought he was traded.Quote:
Originally Posted by Phila_Chamberlain
TD when he re-signed. That was a pretty big deal. Finley as well, which was stated in the thread already...
ok fine.....name TWO......TWO big free agents that the Lakers have signed in the last 20 years!!!!!!!!11!!1!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Buddy Holly
/fail
/lol
Duncan was a big deal. The Spurs almost lost him.
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Originally Posted by Tim Duncan
Why get an FA when you can trade a busted player and 2 chewed sticks of gum for an all star center?Quote:
Originally Posted by Blake
If I remember right, Shaq was supposed to be a restricted FA, but the CBA that summer got re-done and somehow restricted free agency ceased to exist for that summer only, allowing Shaq to go to LA. Orlando would've definitely matched any offer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Phila_Chamberlain
Exactly! And David Robinson. The Spurs have done a good job of retaining their own big name players. It'll be interesting to see a few years down the road how they fare once Duncan is retired and if Popovich is also no longer the coach.Quote:
Originally Posted by DesignatedT
The Spurs have retained the services of their Big 3 through multiple contracts as well as big Dave. Rare for a top-tier team to do that...rare for any team to do that.
Radoslav Nesterovic is Rasho's full name.
Tim Duncan, duh.
If you are talking about a top three coveted free agent in any given off-season, other than their own players, no.
It is rare or at least has been for top players to switch teams a la LeBron since the previous team has a slight money advantage. There are exceptions but this past off-season was more the exception than the rule.
We have had a heart's broken time and time again trying to get free agents from the Clippers other than DA. I would love to see a way for the Spurs to be able to bring in Blake Griffin to be the heir to Tim's role on the team as he was to DRob.
Brent Barry
We signed Horry as a free agent, right?
Did we ever have enough cap space to offer a maximum contract to a free-agent?
I remember only 2003 and refused by Jason Kidd. On the others of last 15 years, we didn't have enough salary to catch a maximum waged free-agent.
Yes. But it was a big free-agent signing because of of what was accomplished here in his time, not initially.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yorae
If you would have asked some at the time, they probably would have told you the Spurs were kind souls to give him some shelter. Plenty thought he was done, even after his first year with the team -- that Lakers series didn't endear him to the fans too much. :lol
As has been mentioned, the Big 3 signings are all significant and even somewhat rare to find in this day and age. You just don't see that many players re-upping with their original team time and time again -- even rarer in a market like the Spurs. But I got the feeling the extremely reputable and very serious thread starter was speaking to those that came from outside the organization. And if that's the case, it's Finley, Van Exel and Barry and then you'd probably have to go to the veteran buyouts the Spurs picked up during the season (i.e., Ward, Robinson and Gooden in recent years).
nick van exel?
Nick Van Exel and Finley were thought to be big-time signings for the Spurs at the time. Big names that were viewed as being just what the doctor ordered for the Spurs.
the spurts have never landed a big name FA.
Chepsake bastards
This.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cry Havoc
I think barring the Thunder, the Spurs have the most cost-effective, winning team in the league. And credit the Thunder's success to Spurs alumni Sam Presti who is way under-rated as compared to that overrated David Morey.
The Spurs have the best FO in the league. Every idiot and savant who follows the league properly knows that. And their organisation can be arguably termed the best in all professional sports all across the world.
hey buddy holly,
SHAQ\
owned you bitch ass cuckold faggott.
I don't know if their cost-effectiveness will last long when they will have to pay KD, westbrook, Green, Ibaka... real moneyQuote:
Originally Posted by Spursfanfromafar
Didn't KD just sign an extension? Either way, they have done a great job so far.Quote:
Originally Posted by mathbzh
AFAIK..they have extended KD already. Ibaka was picked up only last year.. so there is a bit of time to go. Westbrook will hit the jackpot soon, but I think Green is likely to be a FA when his time comes. But the OKCT have good assets (the contracts + picks + bench talent) to make some decent trades and shore up their core of KD + RW + Ibaka.Quote:
Originally Posted by mathbzh
:lol oh and :bangQuote:
Originally Posted by Seventyniner
There's always the 2 major signings in spurs history: That of Center - Uwe Blab 89-90 and then Forward - Tom Copa 91-92(who is on facebook btw, lol).
A lot like how the league revenue numbers for last season were magically revised upward, which allowed Miami just enough room to sign both LeBron and Bosh. What a piece of luck, huh?Quote:
Originally Posted by Seventyniner
BTW - Jackie Butler was billed as the best pickup of that off-season by a lot of "experts".
A few have mentioned Finley. Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure that wasn't a straight up free agent acquisition because Dallas payed the bulk of his salary in 2006 and 2007, right?
Either way, excepting Nesterovich and Antonio McDeyess to a lesser extent, I can't think of any big free agent acquisitions made by the Spurs. True, Duncan signed as a free agent but, he remained with San Antonio. He didn't come to SA after playing out a contract with another team.
Failed to mention 'Dyess, good call -- but that kind of speaks to the level of free-agent the Spurs have acquired; or maybe the state of the player upon arrival . . .
And, yeah, Finley came about because of a one-time cap measure allowed by the league. But he was a free agent nonetheless -- Miami was recruiting him pretty hard.
Terry Cummings.
And thank Allah that we "lost" the Jermaine O'Neal sweepstakes. That could have sunk our organization.
No, the Spurs traded Alvin Robertson and Cadillac Anderson for Cummings.Quote:
Originally Posted by awktalk
I dont think JO had had any major knee injuries prior to the summer of 03' had he? He was a 20-10 player and a very solid man and team defender. He wouldve been the ideal replacement for DRob...he comes here and who knows maybe the staff handles his injuries more cautiously. I wouldve taken that chance.Quote:
Originally Posted by awktalk
the spurs really threw a boatload of money at JO and were surprised that he did not bite. spurs had just won the 2003 title with very, very little help for duncan - he still has the highest playoff win share ever recorded.Quote:
Originally Posted by FkLA
IIRC, JO's first injury season was in '07 and he played 70+ games that year. granted that we would not have been able to sign ginobili again for a huge amount, but think about this pipe dream for a second:
we get a healthy JO for 3 seasons - 04, 05 and 06 - we win 4 consecutive titles which convinces the owners to pay ginobili enough to stay in sa. for the 07 season, we do not need JO, and maybe we do not win b/c we would not have had enough money for other players.
it's fun to dream and having JO in sa would have been an adventure - an adventure charlie!
Sean Elliott was a pretty big deal
Dikembe Mutombo Mpolondo Mukamba Jean-Jacques WamutomboQuote:
Originally Posted by spurs_fan_in_exile
We we're never able to sign Dikembe. :depressed
Some people don't know the difference between a FA and a draft.
this is a silly (and somewhat stupid) question.
since the new CBA - very few teams have landed a "big name" free agent (and that includes the Lakers & Celtics). Prior to the movement this past offseason - the Knicks and Bulls would have been in that group as well (rounding out the 4 biggest markets and arguably the 4 highest profile franchises in the game).
Hell, Cuban's biggest free agent signing is...DeSagana Diop.
doc rivers, terry porter
You do realize Sean was traded to Detroit and then signed as a free agent with the Spurs in the offseason.... Of course you did.Quote:
Originally Posted by DMC
well Im not sure whether this is even possible anymore - come on, even Splitter is probably regretting now to have left Europe - you go from being an MVP to a bench warmer at the worst possible time.
Maybe next year...
Yes.... after he was past his prime!
mouse2moose has it down, well almost san antonio not a second tie town. but all the rest is write on,we not a city african amercian what to live in. as long as F.A. got another deal in a city that as more of a black pop. we are shit out of luck. we better draft great
Yay...good job :blahQuote:
Originally Posted by bighappy
BRHornet is that you? :lol Seriously, that's just ridiculous. Our franchise player for the entire 1990s was black, we've signed dozens of black players since then.Quote:
Originally Posted by mouse2moose_
Sean was traded back to the Spurs for Bill Curley's rights.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoops Czar
Malik Rose and Stephen Jackson turned out to be very valuable FA signings, but they weren't big name FAs at the time of their signings, by any means.
Sleepy Floyd, Vinnie Johnson and Glenn Robinson were all near the end of their careers...with Robinson basically being resurrected from the scrap heap.
McDyess and Finley were both over their best days. Duncan was their own player. The spurs have done well in retaining their own free agents, not well in getting other top free agents to sign.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
The spurs front office is vastly overrated. They managed to squander titles in 3 consecutive years with both Robinson and Duncan on the team. They could not support a good enough cast around the lucky draft picks of Robinson and duncan to even win consecutive titles.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spursfanfromafar
they won two titles during the Robinson/Duncna run over the span of 6 years. That is not good.
You give Robinson and Duncan to any franchise in the league and they will win titles. I look at the moves the spurs have made and outside of some excellant draft picks it is hard to find many good moves to acquire players through trades and free agency.
+1Quote:
Originally Posted by rascal
I'll co-sign for you on that one. I think it also speaks volumes that since David Robinson retired, the older Tim Duncan got, the worse the complimentary bigs next to him got.