how can they blame the az shooting on palin

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01-12-2011
Winehole23

Re: how can they blame the az shooting on palin

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Originally Posted by ohmwrecker

Nobody is saying the map is making wingnuts shoot congresspersons, you retards.

Some people did say that.

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Do you realize how stupid and afraid and paranoid you sound? "They're gon' take my guns!

http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/201...gislation.html

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My freedom!

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"This is not a knee jerk reaction, Brady said. "This legislation makes it illegal to place crosshairs on a Congressman's district."

http://www.myfoxphilly.com/dpp/news/...b-sites-banned

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Originally Posted by ohmwrecker

Do ever wonder why people think you are all a bunch of nuts?

Do you ever pop off about stuff you don't know very much about?
01-12-2011
ohmwrecker

Re: how can they blame the az shooting on palin

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Originally Posted by Winehole23

Some people did say that.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/2011/01/top-republican-rep-pete-king-to-introduce-gun-control-legislation.html

:lol A Republican supporting gun control. That's funny. Saving face tbh. Also, New York is a big gun control state and this proposal is far from restricting citizens from owning guns and using them properly and legally.

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http://www.myfoxphilly.com/dpp/news/...b-sites-banned

Sounds like a good idea.

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Do you ever pop off about stuff you don't know very much about?

Occasionally . . . but you have proven nothing here. Also, why are you offended by what I said? Do you think you're nuts?
01-12-2011
Winehole23

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I'm not offended. Your comment was obtuse, is all.
01-12-2011
ohmwrecker

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Originally Posted by Winehole23

I'm not offended. Your comment was obtuse, is all.

How so? Sarcastic, maybe . . . not obtuse.
01-12-2011
Winehole23

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Originally Posted by ohmwrcker

Sounds like a good idea.

You think need we government to police "extreme" political speech. Obviously.
01-12-2011
Winehole23

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Originally Posted by ohmwrecker

How so? Sarcastic, maybe . . . not obtuse.

Both your main points were mistaken. People do blame Sarah Palin for influencing the shooter, and the fear of congressional overreaction seems to be well founded.
01-12-2011
ohmwrecker

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Originally Posted by Winehole23

You think need we government to police "extreme" political speech. Obviously.

I wouldn't go that far, honestly, but it is getting out of control considering the instability of the audience. Public officials and those running for public office should be held accountable for their irresponsibility.
01-12-2011
ohmwrecker

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Originally Posted by Winehole23

Both your main points were mistaken. People do blame Sarah Palin for influencing the shooter, and the fear of congressional overreaction seems to be well founded.

I there is a misunderstanding in context. I haven't seen anyone directly blame Palin for the shooting and I wouldn't condone that. She should be held accountable for putting forth an irresponsible campaign though.
01-12-2011
Winehole23

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I wouldn't go that far, honestly, but it is getting out of control considering the instability of the audience.

Afraid of free speech? Grow a set or call 911.

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Public officials and those running for public office should be held accountable for their irresponsibility.

Held accountable how?

Social disapprobation is one thing, strengthening the hand of government to quash political speech is another.
01-12-2011
ohmwrecker

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Originally Posted by Winehole23

Afraid of free speech? Grow a set or call 9/11.Held accountable how?

Grow a set? Grow up. It's not a free speech issue. I'm talking about inciting unstable people and doing it knowingly.

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Originally Posted by Winehole23

Social disapprobation is one thing, strengthening the hand of government to quash political speech is another.

Campaign funding restrictions.
01-12-2011
Winehole23

Re: how can they blame the az shooting on palin

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It's not a free speech issue. I'm talking about inciting unstable people and doing it knowingly.

If restraining speech that "might incite unstable people" isn't a free speech issue, I don't know what is.

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Campaign funding restrictions.

Relates to this topic how?
01-12-2011
BlairForceDejuan

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What doesn't incite unstable people?
01-12-2011
Winehole23

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Originally Posted by BlairForceDejuan

What doesn't incite unstable people?

One wonders.
01-12-2011
BradLohaus

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ohmwrecker: do you get MSNBC? they've been ready to string up Palin for days...right out of the gate. Straight up, directly, laying blame for this at her feet. Beck, Limbaugh too. it's been rediculous.
01-12-2011
ohmwrecker

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Originally Posted by BlairForceDejuan

What doesn't incite unstable people?

That doesn't mean people who know better should do it.

To use the old example:
If someone shouts "Fire!" in a crowded theatre . . . the unstable will panic and knock people over to get out. A reasonable person will look for calmly, but quickly look for evidence of an actual fire and strategize the fastest, safest way out after establishing that there is indeed a fire.
01-12-2011
ohmwrecker

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ohmwrecker: do you get MSNBC? they've been ready to string up Palin for days...right out of the gate. Straight up, directly, laying blame for this at her feet. Beck, Limbaugh too. it's been rediculous.

I read. I don't watch TV news.
01-12-2011
ohmwrecker

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Originally Posted by Winehole23

Relates to this topic how?

As a suitable form of making public servants more responsible.
01-12-2011
Winehole23

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Originally Posted by ohmwrecker

That doesn't mean people who know better should do it.

To use the old example:
If someone shouts "Fire!" in a crowded theatre . . . the unstable will panic and knock people over to get out. A reasonable person will look for calmly, but quickly look for evidence of an actual fire and strategize the fastest, safest way out after establishing that there is indeed a fire.

So any speech a mentally unstable person might foreseeably take amiss, should be proscribed?
01-12-2011
Winehole23

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As a suitable form of making public servants more responsible.

How does it relate to speech that irresponsibly "incites" the mentally ill? It's not intuitively clear to me.

Don't the voters sort this one out at the ballot box? Why do we need a federal remedy for loose cannons?
01-12-2011
ohmwrecker

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So any speech a mentally unstable person might foreseeably take amiss, should be proscribed?

When you, as a speaker, are looking out onto a throng of rabid, hateful people holding signs depicting our president with a target on his head or a Hitler mustache scrawled on his upper lip with misspelled accusations of conflicting political ideologies on homemade signs . . . it might not be responsible to tell these people that the "other guy" wants to take away their guns and then draw them a map with target points on it.

Is that clear enough?
01-12-2011
TeyshaBlue

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I dunno.....I think I've used the term enemy when playing nerf darts or paintball.

You're inciting violence!:ihit
01-12-2011
clambake

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signs didn't treat bush very well, either.

but then again, he manufactured reasons for war.
01-12-2011
TeyshaBlue

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Originally Posted by clambake

signs didn't treat bush very well, either.

but then again, he manufactured reasons for war.

Well it's simple. Target the signs!:toast
01-12-2011
ohmwrecker

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Originally Posted by clambake

signs didn't treat bush very well, either.

but then again, he manufactured reasons for war.

I don't recall any politicians subtly suggesting that Bush should be assassinated.
01-12-2011
clambake

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I don't recall any politicians subtly suggesting that Bush should be assassinated.

what politicians have subtly suggested that obama be assassinated?

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