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And your evidence of that is?Quote:
Originally Posted by Nbadan
Perhaps you can show us the part of the draft that proposes this.
I'll wait.
And perhaps you could show me just what is preventing the feds from being able to do that now, just as states already do.
Did you just get gassed by contrails or something?Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
the fact you can buy anything at any computer....it will be easy to convert your national ID number into a tax number to track your online purchases...Quote:
nd perhaps you could show me just what is preventing the feds from being able to do that now, just as states already do.
That isn't an answer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nbadan
Still waiting.
That is also not an answer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nbadan
The states already have the capacity to easily charge and collect taxes internet transactions. Why do you think the feds can't do exactly the same thing right now?
I don't think they do have the capacity to easily charge and collect taxes interest transactions. States have been battling with Amazon for a long time over this very issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
http://econsultancy.com/us/blog/5771...se-tax-assault
Hey, that blog proves that states already easily charge and collect taxes from internet purchases from retailers with a physical presence in those states.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlairForceDejuan
Thanks for showing it is already done without internets IDs. Your help is appreciated.
Chump is right. Some states already collect taxes on internet transactions, even if the billing address is out of state. Amazon got on a big spat with NY state because of this.
Purchases can also be easily tracked to your Debit/Credit card. Fraud on purchases is also already handled through retention laws for ISPs.
There's nothing preventing taxing internet transactions right now. Be it by the State or Federal government.
The other thing I read is that while the Department of Commerce would coordinate the effort, an actual private company would do the implementation. I'm personally wary of the effectiveness of systems like this because there's a good amount of weak points to attack this from. From the technological aspect (cloning would probably be the first target on that area), to the social engineering aspect (what safeguards will be in place to make sure you're not impersonating somebody else when you go get the card).
The goal as I understand it is to mitigate identity theft online. I'm always a skeptic on the implementation aspect of this stuff, because you really need a good technical know how, and that's normally overlooked. But I would need to see a bit more of the proposed implementation to make a good assessment.
I can buy a pc off dell.com and pay tax, or buy a dell pc off amazon and pay nothing; hypothetically.
I want to make clear that I'm not on board with this proposal's being a great idea -- but people seem to be getting worked up about the wrong thing here.
Amazon had to stop shipping from NY state in order to avoid paying the tax. If more states start taxing, Amazon will have to budge. It's clear some companies will fight a tax like that, but that doesn't mean that States or the Federal government cannot tax the transactions if they want to.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlairForceDejuan
If the federal government wants to do something with taxes, they do it? That's what I would assume.
For reference on this issue, you can look at the RFID tagged passports. Which have been broken and can be cloned.
I don't see this as a big deal as long as it's voluntary. If it would be mandated, then that would be a different story.
States are no different really. They collect taxes on local business and citizens already.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlairForceDejuan
Exactly. They wouldn't need an internets ID.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlairForceDejuan
lmao at this douchebag post.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Dan already stated the obvious about buying a product from a company located in the same state in which you are receiving the product. They have been doing this for years. The post of yours that I quoted said nothing about physical presence.
State taxes get collected..that's true....the fed wants its cut...
..there is software available today that will guard your internet transactions on most popular browsers
..there is software that will let you transmit said internet transactions securely
most of the fraud that occurs is when someone cracks into the company computers and gains bank and credit information from consumers.....
When I heard about this Internet ID last week, taxes did not even cross my mind. The FBI director coming out right after the recent shooting and specifically addressing online anonymity is closely related imo.
lmao at this douchebag post.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlairForceDejuan
My post you quoted said states already easily charge and collect taxes on internets transactions. That is the only thing that needed to be said in regards to the argument that the feds somehow needed a national ID system to charge and collect taxes themselves.
Your post added nothing to that conversation, but your redassing at having that pointed out to you is entertaining.
If it does, it doesn't need an ID system.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nbadan
If it is required to log on to SpursTalk, then I'll be scurred.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlairForceDejuan
lmao at you being able to keep up this schtick for so many years
Of course....Chumpy is Chumpy....he thinks that the govt is going to come out and tell him that this Internet ID is ultimately to tax his online transactions across interstate and intrastate lines...Quote:
Originally Posted by BlairForceDejuan
Again, why do they need an ID system when they could tax internets transactions right now just like states already do?Quote:
Originally Posted by Nbadan
Please be specific.
Taxes are a non-issue. Every reputable US based online retailer already submits tax returns to the IRS. When the IRS decides it wants a cut of the top-line, they'll just do it. Online retailers will instantly adapt to pass along that cost (which is actually the real effect of sharing the cost).
If you are going for some conspiracy angle, go with the obvious "they'll know everything we're doing" take.
No! They have to have national IDs for everyone first!Quote:
Originally Posted by scott
Ultimately, there is no real need for an Internet ID....So why do it?Quote:
Originally Posted by scott
...millions of transactions are conducted everyday by private sellers and retailers...Scott knows that these private sellers aren't going to collect taxes and file paperwork for every e-bay transaction they make online...and with this new ID system, they won't have too...