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Maybe not just the OP...
How soon we forget. Ask Mark Penn.Quote:
Originally Posted by George Gervin's Afro
If you don't have any idea to what I'm referring, using my words to show anything is idiotic.Quote:
Originally Posted by George Gervin's Afro
Those peeps in the audience were cheering for barry like he was some rockstar throughout the death speech. That was really inappropriate and rude. I figure some of barrys peeps were holding "applause" signs and letting the crowd know when to cheer for barry.
The survivors did not seem offended, so why should you be?Quote:
Originally Posted by jack sommerset
You don't know that. Barry even looked a little annoyed. I certainly was. That was a memorial not a political rally full of loud cheers/screeches/howls everytime barry finished a sentence.Quote:
Originally Posted by ploto
You don't know that.Quote:
Originally Posted by jack sommerset
Know what?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bartleby
Damn, jack is an idiot.
I thought it was a thoughtful, respectful, well-conceived oration by a national leader.
He rose to the occasion, and he let the people respond whatever way they needed to. There is nothing cynical there.
I thought it was a good speech.
The t-shirts on the chairs were a little tacky, IMHO. But I think it was the university that produced those.
Also, some of the cheering started when Obama would be in mid-sentence. That was a bid odd, but no big deal.
You've got to love the dumbasses in the crowd that hoot and holler acting as if it were a political party and not a gd memorial for people who were murdered in cold blood.
How nice it must be to go through life void of consideration. On second thought, I did not hear an air horn so perhaps there is still hope for humanity.
good one. you just shit on the entire city.
I agree, even the President looked a bit perturbed by the atmosphere.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bartleby
I would like to know, though, who thought it was a good idea to turn this into some kind of rally with t-shirts, a slogan, and fliers. And, why a Shaman to open the service? To my knowledge, none of the victims were Native American.
And, in listening to much of the commentary today, I will have to agree with a couple of criticisms although, I still believe it was the most presidential this President has ever been...and, I still believe the speech struck the right tone and said the right things.
Now, those niggling criticisms...
This is less a criticism of the speech than of how Obama addressed the ancillary issue of partisan rancor.
Why did he wait four days to speak out about the civility and discourse that was infecting this tragic American moment? After the Fort Hood Massacre, he was quick to admonish the American people not to rush to judgment about what motivated the shooter. While I think he said as much as he could, on the topic during the memorial, he may have been able to avoid the topic altogether has he addressed the incivility and rush to assign blame, separate from eulogizing the victims, and much, much earlier.
And, finally, noticeably absent from his recognition that partisan rancor and vitriol played no role in the crime but, that it eroded civility in general, was any acceptance of personal responsibility in that arena. Barack Obama is one of the most uncivil presidents we’ve had. From calling out the Supreme Court in his first SOTUA (a first, to my knowledge) to persistently and illogically bashing his predecessor (again, something rarely done by a sitting President) to calling political foes, enemies, using martial language of his own and employing barking dogs like Emmanuel who stab tables and send dead fish to “enemies.”
I think he would have certainly raised his stock with me if, instead of pretending to be apart from the problem, he would have admitted to be a part of the problem.
But, I digress, I still believe the whole topic could have been avoided if he had spoke to the issue earlier.
Still a good speech.
:lol
Seriously, Chump. Do you have some device that tells you when I post?
:lmao
That isn't ignoring me.
The applause for the heroes and instances like that were awesome. "I LOVE YOU" during Obama's speech was ridiculous.Quote:
Originally Posted by clambake
That was another thing I heard today but hadn't noticed.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlairForceDejuan
President Obama had the guy that aided Congresswoman Giffords sitting with him, and the families were seated in the appropriate place but, I've heard criticism that the other heroes that day, those that restrained Loughner, were kind of herded of in an, odd, out of the way place where even the cameras had some difficulty focusing on them.
I don't know, I wasn't paying attention. Is it true?
If so, whomever organized this shindig, needs to be fired. T-Shirts and slogans? I also question the location of the memorial -- a college -- which may have contributed to the inappropriate whooping and hollering.
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Originally Posted by Yonivore
I noticed that. It was like seeing a parent who is ashamed of the way his kids were behaving.
I was afraid, for a brief few moments, it was going to devolve into a Paul Wellstone "memorial." I think he was too.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarrinS
I'm glad it didn't.
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Originally Posted by Yonivore
He noticeably cringed a few times.
Damn, Chumps a butthurt insecure petty faggot.
Sorry I hurt your tender, fragile feelings, jack.
Speech was fine for a while but it got boring. Hearing him talk pretty much makes me sick.
You couldn't hurt my feelings. I feel sorry for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper