Bucher Chat - Splitter

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Originally Posted by tdunk21

whats to complain when we are winning man....u try different probabilities and different lineups when loosing games....maybe tiago sucks in practice....maybe tiago is a slow learner...

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practice :rolleyes

Ask Cleveland how much having the best record in the league mattered come play-off time last season.

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Originally Posted by Duncan2177

It's a waste because the team spent quite a bit of money to bring him here and he hardly plays.

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true, and since he's a free agent and is gone after this season - it will never pay off.

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Originally Posted by Chomag

Ask Cleveland how much having the best record in the league mattered come play-off time last season.

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pop or mike brown have a better idea of how to build a team for the postseason?

besides, it's not like Manu is just going to quit on the Spurs halfway through a series, then take his talents to the beach afterwards.

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Originally Posted by Solid D

Bucher's opinion.
It seems to me that Dice is a better option in Pop's mind.

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This. If Dice can get playing time, then lack of quick feet isn't really the problem (plus I disagree that Tiago is slow footed).

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Originally Posted by K-State Spur

pop or mike brown have a better idea of how to build a team for the postseason?

besides, it's not like Manu is just going to quit on the Spurs halfway through a series, then take his talents to the beach afterwards.

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I LOL'd

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Originally Posted by tp2021

I have a feeling the All-Star break will include a mini training camp for Tiago. Pop has given up on trying to force him to learn during game time, so he's just gonna shut it down until the break, at which point he'll have enough time to ingrain in him whatever he has failed to show thus far. And then, he will start getting minutes off the bench until he ultimately is our starting center.

Or, none of those things will happen. :lol

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:toast You broke the code!!!

i dont think Dejuan is necessarily a better fit for the Spurs new uptempo style of play.

His clear advantages to Splitter are his offensive rebounding and chemistry with Duncan.

But with playing time, i feel like Tiago would become the better fit for the first unit with his superior defense and better pick and roll ability with TP.

All of the complaints people have had with Tiago could be greatly remedied simply by throwing him out there and letting him learn through experience.

too bad for his coach tho.

I would just once love to see the Spurs go big with Duncan, Splitter and since Pop is so friggin in love with him Bonner/or better yet Dice when the Spurs go against the bigger and slower teams.

On the other hand Pop might just be saving something for when it really matters and may play Splitter more after the all star break - with Pop you just never know.

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Originally Posted by EVAY

:toast You broke the code!!!

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I did not see these right on posts but totally agree with Pop who the hell knows?

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Originally Posted by cheguevara

goddam what a failure this is gonna be if we flame out like the Suns in the PO

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Well, if that is the only thing you focus on, probably. If you aren't deriving any pleasure at all from this season, you are setting yourself up. 29 teams are not going to win.

Is it really impossible to just enjoy the ride?

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Originally Posted by easjer

Well, if that is the only thing you focus on, probably. If you aren't deriving any pleasure at all from this season, you are setting yourself up. 29 teams are not going to win.

Is it really impossible to just enjoy the ride?

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not if the ride ends in a fiery crash, tbh.

I think the main reason for limiting Splitter's minutes is that the Spurs are having success without him. Pop trusts Bonner and McDyess more because they know where they are supposed to be rotationaly. Blair, for his size, is very agile and quick. He is still not as ingrained in the system and makes more errors because of it, but his energy is what is keeping him in the starting lineup and part of the rotation.
I agree that Splitter missing training camp is hurting him right now. He is basically auditioning whenever he sees the floor. I am sure Pop can see his potential as well as any poster on Spurstalk and, conversely realizes his limitations more so than anybody.
The Spurs did not invest all this time and payroll wrangling for Tiago to sit on the bench. They want him on the floor and contributing as much as anyone, but the goal is winning games and that what the Spurs are doing.
Hopefully, he is improving and growing more confident in ways that aren't blatantly clear to the average fan. I still think Tiago will get an opportunity to contribute this year, but it is clear he will have to earn it by showing more than just flashes of being a solid NBA player.

As far as this "new Suns" bullshit goes. The Spurs have what those Suns teams never had. A core group of players who have been there and won at the highest level together. And, that, friends . . . is the difference maker.

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Originally Posted by Bandit2981

I think that is what hurt him the most, Pop probably doesn't feel he has the "corporate knowledge"

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Originally Posted by TimmehC

IfIt's really an issue where 4 other bigs know all the nuances of Pop's schemes, and where they need to be at all times, and Tiago doesn't. That's it.

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Originally Posted by Whisky Dog

I do have that fear that this team is the '05 Suns - playing a style that is dominating the regular season but will get exposed by a team with length and power up front in a 7 game series.

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To me, it smacks of arrogance that Pop would think that his system is so important that a talented 7fter (not a "real" rookie as Blair/Hill were) is rotting on the bench racking up DNPs - Coach's Decision. It's not like Nazr didn't help the Spurs win a championship coming to the Spurs after the ASB without any "corporate knowledge." Don't know if the Spurs would have won without his size and length against the Pistons. And guess what, Gasol/Bynum are a lot taller, longer and offensively-talented than Wallace x2. Getting out of the West means going through LA, and God forbid that we're resting our hopes on Bonner/Blair against Gasol/Bynum. I'm happy with Dice (against smaller players) but he can't play major minutes.

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Originally Posted by K-State Spur

true, and since he's a free agent and is gone after this season - it will never pay off.

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Splitter might be so disgusted with sitting on the bench for a whole year that he might just go elsewhere when his contract is done.

or maybe its the same old first year in the spurs system. pop said don't expect superstar and wait til year two to throw someone under the bus...I still say he will impact down the stretch of the season going into the playoffs. He shows signs and all anybody seems to look for is the mistakes

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Originally Posted by Whisky Dog

I do have that fear that this team is the '05 Suns - playing a style that is dominating the regular season but will get exposed by a team with length and power up front in a 7 game series.

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Did you ever hear D'Antoni, in his postgame press conference, start off by saying his team played the worst defense he's seen all year?

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Originally Posted by ohmwrecker

I think the main reason for limiting Splitter's minutes is that the Spurs are having success without him. Pop trusts Bonner and McDyess more because they know where they are supposed to be rotationaly. Blair, for his size, is very agile and quick. He is still not as ingrained in the system and makes more errors because of it, but his energy is what is keeping him in the starting lineup and part of the rotation.
I agree that Splitter missing training camp is hurting him right now. He is basically auditioning whenever he sees the floor. I am sure Pop can see his potential as well as any poster on Spurstalk and, conversely realizes his limitations more so than anybody.
The Spurs did not invest all this time and payroll wrangling for Tiago to sit on the bench. They want him on the floor and contributing as much as anyone, but the goal is winning games and that what the Spurs are doing.
Hopefully, he is improving and growing more confident in ways that aren't blatantly clear to the average fan. I still think Tiago will get an opportunity to contribute this year, but it is clear he will have to earn it by showing more than just flashes of being a solid NBA player.

As far as this "new Suns" bullshit goes. The Spurs have what those Suns teams never had. A core group of players who have been there and won at the highest level together. And, that, friends . . . is the difference maker.

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Splitter can learn to be where he's supposed to be rotationally with PT. Don't think he can show anything if the only PT he gets is with Quinn/Udoka/non-play makers. Bonner wouldn't either as he needs to be set up.

Respectfully disagree. The main goal is to win the championship - not to win regular season games. This means being able to play defense and match up with the elite contenders such as LA and BOS. The difference against the Suns was that the Spurs would play defense against the Suns and they wouldn't.

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Originally Posted by Mel_13

but now I think it will take an injury to promote him from his current roles as towel waver and human victory cigar.

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I bet RJ perked his ears at that comment.

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Originally Posted by rmt

Splitter can learn to be where he's supposed to be rotationally with PT. Don't think he can show anything if the only PT he gets is with Quinn/Udoka/non-play makers. Bonner wouldn't either as he needs to be set up.

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They do practice, you know . . . and Splitter has played with the top rotation players as much as he has played with the bottom of the bench.
And, Bonner, for as much shit as he gets around here and as limited as he is athletically, knows where he is supposed to be for the most part.

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Originally Posted by rmt

Respectfully disagree. The main goal is to win the championship - not to win regular season games. This means being able to play defense and match up with the elite contenders such as LA and BOS. The difference against the Suns was that the Spurs would play defense against the Suns and they wouldn't.

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Regular season wins = HCA and that will be a huge difference maker as to how far the Spurs will go in the playoffs. The Spurs do emphasize defense. Do you ever pay attention to Pop's post-game comments? When every single player is asked what they need to improve on, the answer is defense. Do you think the Spurs are satisfied simply out scoring their opponents?

Buch's just saying what everyone's thinking

He'll come in handy sooner or later...right now he is overwhelmed by the linguring season and change of game in all aspects!! ...that just shows how deep and healthy the spurs are too....

The guy was a fucking MVP of the ACB... why the hell is he pine'd?

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Originally Posted by ohmwrecker

Splitter has played with the top rotation players as much as he has played with the bottom of the bench.

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Totally disagree with this. Except for the (was it?) Cleveland game, he's pretty much the human cigar - playing mostly in garbage time.

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Originally Posted by ohmwrecker

And, Bonner, for as much shit as he gets around here and as limited as he is athletically, knows where he is supposed to be for the most part.

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I would hope he knows where to be after 4 years with the Spurs.

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Originally Posted by ohmwrecker

Regular season wins = HCA and that will be a huge difference maker as to how far the Spurs will go in the playoffs. The Spurs do emphasize defense. Do you ever pay attention to Pop's post-game comments? When every single player is asked what they need to improve on, the answer is defense. Do you think the Spurs are satisfied simply out scoring their opponents?

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I agree that HCA is more important this year than other years. But with the injury to Caron Butler, the free-fall that the Mavs are in now and if they cannot replace Butler, HCA will not be as important as pre-Butler-injury. The Mavs should not be as much a threat to both SA and LA where a semi-final battle would threaten either's chance in the WCF.

HCA for LA against SA is not that important as their core has won 2 championships together. Their frontline is so much better than the entire league's and especially so against SA where beyond Duncan, it's a weakness that as long as Kobe doesn't go into chuck-mode, they'll probably win.

As I recall, HCA without defense, didn't do the high-scoring Suns a bit of good in 05 or 07. Pop should play Splitter so that he will have another option should Bonner/Blair flame-out in the playoffs or in case of injury to Bonner/Blair/Dice.