Patriot Act Up For Renewal, Nobody Notices

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Allowing the Patriot Act provisions to expire, even just for a few days, would mean that Congress will essentially be reenacting law, not reauthorizing it, which could put the Freedom Act in legally murky territory.


A Justice Department memo sent to lawmakers this month made reference to potential legal challenges under such a scenario.


"Legislation enacted after midnight on Sunday, May 31, 2015, that seeks to reauthorize the authorities by amending the dates [of the provisions] we believe, would be effective in making the authorities operative again, but may expose the government to some litigation risk in the event of legal challenge," the memo reads. "To the extent Congress would want to make its intent even clearer, however, we believe that could be done with relatively simple language; it would not require re-enacting the lapsed provisions in their entirety."


A McConnell aide said the lapse was not a concern in that regard, however, as congressional intent with the Freedom Act is clear.


But any tweaks to the Freedom Act would require another vote in the House, which would further delay the restoration of the authorities that the intelligence community warns are vital to national security. The House passed the Freedom Act with overwhelming bipartisan support, but the tea-party influence in the lower chamber could make a vote on restoring the Patriot Act a much tougher sell.


Meanwhile, the Senate standoff continues to have implications for the 2016 presidential race far beyond Paul's campaign. Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush appeared on CBS's Face the Nation on Sunday morning to again defend the NSA program—a position that several other GOP contenders have loudly struck in recent weeks.

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http://www.nationaljournal.com/tech/...n-215-20150531

Patriot Act expired, thanks to hero Edward Snowden

It's all irrelevant anyway, as if anyone at NSA cares if what they do is legal or not.

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The Senate let three provisions of the Patriot Act expire: Section 215, the section the government uses to collect phone and other business records in bulk, the “Lone Wolf provision,” and the “roving wiretap” provision. Section 215 now—at least temporarily—reverts to its pre-Patriot Act form, which doesn’t permit any collection of financial or communications records, and requires the Government to provide “specific and articulable facts” supporting a reason to believe that the target is an agent of a foreign power.

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http://gizmodo.com/section-215-of-th...now-1708121211

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Originally Posted by velik_m

It's all irrelevant anyway, as if anyone at NSA cares if what they do is legal or not.

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Congress attempting to rein in the NSA is newsworthy and politically significant, even if it doesn't work. It plants a flag in lawless policy.

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Originally Posted by boutons_deux

Patriot Act expired, thanks to hero Edward Snowden

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but for Snowden, we'd not have known the dimensions of the authority to pry into the private lives of innocent Americans authorized by the Patriot Act. Not sure I'd not call him a hero, but he has done his country a service at no small cost to himself.

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Originally Posted by Winehole23

Congress attempting to rein in the NSA is newsworthy and politically significant, even if it doesn't work. It plants a flag in lawless policy.

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It's all grandstanding and charade.

The NSA's Few Good Men manning the ramparts don't give a fuck about the law. NSA/CIA/FBI are unstoppable.

Even fucking ancestry companies give DNA evidence to the police without a warrant.

Silicon Valley tech companies, supposedly protecting Human-Americans' against the surveillance brown shirts, sell browsing data for many $Bs per year.

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Silicon Valley tech companies, supposedly protecting Human-Americans' against the surveillance brown shirts, sell browsing data for many $Bs per year.

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the elephant has to be eaten one bite at a time. what companies do with personal information and geolocation data is another fight for another day. one well worth fighting, imo.

this was a baby step, but an important one.

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Originally Posted by Winehole23

the elephant has to be eaten one bite at a time. what companies do with personal information and geolocation data is another fight for another day. one well worth fighting, imo.

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The only meaningful change in regs is change that includes FUNDING for enforcement, and serious punishment.

We've seen Clapper outright LIE to Congress, and then claim he forgot or didn't know, oops, no punishment. Congress bought his lies, or didn't but let Clapper off.

We'll see what Congress does now with Patriot Act. I'm sure it will be nothing but window dressing with "business as usual" behind the curtains.

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Originally Posted by boutons_deux

Patriot Act expired, thanks to hero Edward Snowden

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No, thanks to hero Rand Paul. But for Paul, the weenie senate would have renewed it.

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Originally Posted by Galileo

No, thanks to hero Rand Paul. But for Paul, the weenie senate would have renewed it.

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:lol Rand Paul wouldn't know or do shit about Patriot Act without Snowden blowing it up.

Wombat Hair is a loser, and he will lose big IF he's the candidate (he has no mega-donor, yet), and he will probably LOSE in the primaries.

Rand Paul! :lol

Bitch McConnell tactic of leaving the Patriot vote to Sunday, thinking people would panic into voting failed, proving yet again the Repugs CAN'T GOVERN

Ayn Rand Paul did nothing but delay the vote 48 hours. :lol

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Originally Posted by Winehole23

but for Snowden, we'd not have known the dimensions of the authority to pry into the private lives of innocent Americans authorized by the Patriot Act. Not sure I'd not call him a hero, but he has done his country a service at no small cost to himself.

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Oh brother

Google collects more info about you than the NSA

:lmao

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Originally Posted by DarrinS

Google collects more info about you than the NSA

:lmao

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Debatable... plus what Google gathers is fairly well known (which gives you the option to use tools to avoid such collection) and you can request Google to remove some or all of that collected information.

Not to mention you can have a public court of law review such collection...

Don't really care if Rand did this just to score political points. It's something that brings the topic to the forefront and I think that's important.

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Originally Posted by ElNono

Don't really care if Rand did this just to score political points. It's something that brings the topic to the forefront and I think that's important.

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Snowden already did that. Grandstanding fraud Paul are jokes

Rand Paul is getting way too much credit for killing 3 Patriot Act powers

But the media's focus on Paul has led to the Kentucky Republican getting way too much credit for the ultimate outcome of this week's surveillance fight.

The fight is likely to result in the passage of the USA Freedom Act — which seeks to place stricter limits on NSA surveillance but which some privacy advocates say doesn't go far enough — later this week.

Paul has opposed this legislation. And if Paul hadn't engaged in his theatrics, the most likely outcome would have been exactly the same.

The only difference is that the USA Freedom Act might have passed a few days earlier.

If the USA Freedom Act passes in the Senate, credit (or blame) should go to the 57 senators — mostly Democrats — who supported the legislation a week ago, and to the 54 senators — again mostly Democrats — who voted down a straight renewal of the Patriot Act during the same Friday-night session.

Rand Paul's filibuster was wildly successful at getting Rand Paul's name in headlines. But it ultimately had little effect on the outcome of the legislative fight.

http://www.vox.com/2015/6/1/8700111/...ul-patriot-act

Same sort of bullshit from that other tea bagging grandstanding faker, Krazy Kruz the Canadian Anchor Baby

“I think he’s nestled in with a very large bunch of very radical people – from the left to the right,” said Utah Sen. Orrin Hatch, the president pro tempore. “I don’t know if he feels comfortable being with all those leftists who hate the PATRIOT Act. But he has a right to do what he’s doing.”

lol @ "radicals". It's pretty jarring that these neocons are well aware that a "very large bunch" of people, "from the left to the right" are fed up with getting their 4th amendment rights trampled on by these old hawks and they don't give a shit about it.

Is the reason why people won't give Rand Paul any credit is because he's not a spoke person for baby killers and gayness?

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Originally Posted by boutons_deux

:lol Rand Paul wouldn't know or do shit about Patriot Act without Snowden blowing it up.

Wombat Hair is a loser, and he will lose big IF he's the candidate (he has no mega-donor, yet), and he will probably LOSE in the primaries.

Rand Paul! :lol

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Snowden was inspired by Ron Paul to become a whistleblower.

Well the word "temporary" is relative... in the lifespan of the Earth, a few years certainly is "temporary"...

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Originally Posted by Jacob1983

Is the reason why people won't give Rand Paul any credit is because he's not a spoke person for baby killers and gayness?

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Pretty much. If Elizabeth Warren had done something like this boutons would be down on his knees hailing her as the 2nd son of god

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Originally Posted by angrydude

Pretty much. If Elizabeth Warren had done something like this boutons would be down on his knees hailing her as the 2nd son of god

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I see you down on your knees fellatin Jacob. Cleanup when he's done.

US Freedom Act passed... say hello to the new boss, same as the old boss...