15 (Garbage Time) minutes and...
1 point
3 rebounds
1 assist
...
Ugh?
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15 (Garbage Time) minutes and...
1 point
3 rebounds
1 assist
...
Ugh?
Tiago Splitter's hook is the most pathetic single shot of any player in the league.
Don't forget he drew a charge.
and hit the floor 8 times.
I also recall he tried to block a shot. He jumped and everything.
Maybe if he played more often he would do more, but he's stuck to the bench...:rolleyes
He looked rushed and overeager for everything, almost like a puppy out there. I think the lack of playing time is really messing with his head and making him overanxious when he's on the floor. Maybe with Bonner nursing the bone bruise, Tiago will get some steady time--and that will allow him to find some rhythm and contribute. Here's to hoping.
+1. Soft as shit....Quote:
Originally Posted by ShoogarBear
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Originally Posted by Spurs da champs
what 30 minutes?
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Originally Posted by toki9
I can't help but to agree with you. He was finally given a substantial amount of minutes, and simply flopped. No other way to put it really. He was very eager to prove himself, and this ultimately led to his demise.
I don't want to make it sound like the sky is falling (and it most certainly isn't) but I would expect just a little more out of him.
I really wish Tiago got a chance to play with the Big 3 more because he has absolutely no chemistry whatsoever with the 2nd unit. As soon as he came in with about 3:00 to go on the 3rd Tony gave him a nice pass which resulted in some ft's. After that Tony goes out, George runs the point and Tiago only gets 1 shot attempt the rest of the game.
This. Tiago is not a garbage time player. He is a team player and needs organised bball, not street ball. He needs a good pg and when he plays with Parker he scores.Quote:
Originally Posted by sa_kid20
Some posters are beyond help.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spurs da champs
Exactly !Quote:
Originally Posted by sa_kid20
the great white hope the spurs are banking on.....
...is Bonner?Quote:
Originally Posted by TDMVPDPOY
I think you're confusing Tiago with Matt. Don't sweat it.:lolQuote:
Originally Posted by TDMVPDPOY
Its not just about scoring, its how you play the game.
I agree. I think you guys have a hidden gem. Of course if you don't want him..send him to LA :wakeupQuote:
Originally Posted by toki9
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Originally Posted by sa_kid20
I actually saw only the 4th qtr and was like WOW TIAGO IS PLAYING?. Saw at least two times splitter was open under the rim and hill just passed it to quin. Both missed. Don't you think you should focus more on splitter in the paint than quin on the 3 point line...:lol
Actually, in the 4 games Splitter has played 20+ minutes this season, he's averaging 12 and 6. No excuses, he didn't look great tonite, but that was also one of the worst garbage basketball sessions I've seen in a while from the Spurs. Only 16 pts in the 4th.Quote:
Originally Posted by Werdsniper2
Hill, 2 for 9, Neal, 3 for 11, RJ 2 for 7, Quinn 0 for 1; the only person who knew how to put the ball in the basket during that stretch was Blair. I don't think anyone was making Pop very happy in garbage time.
splitter needs some schoolin
just more evidence that splitter is nailed to the bench because he sucks, not just for pop's entertainment.
Don't worry, the Euroleague MVP will start averaging 20 and 15 once he gets his stride.
he's saving himself for the international games
Are there double shots in this leauge?Quote:
Originally Posted by ShoogarBear
If Tiago gets a pass for playing in garbage time with crappy guards, then how do you explain Ian's line? Were his minutes not in the 4th quarter?
The garbage time is exactly what worries me, honestly.
No shit he would play better with the Big 3. EVERYONE plays better with the Big 3 (except maybe Blair). He's no where near earning playing time with the Big 3 when he can't have a good game against the end of a depleted bench.
He'll get time with the Big 3 when he earns it and thats not even close to happening.
Another issue with Splitter right now is that he's a half-court oriented, positional player--which means he's ill-suited for the quick-offense style that the team currently plays. But I would expect the game to slow down and Pop to gradually employ more of a half-court attack as playoffs near. I think Splitter would have a better chance at contributing under those circumstances. OTOH, not sure if Pop would play a rookie in the second half of the season if he hasn't played in the first half.
With Bonner probably out against the Nuggets, Splitter should get a decent burn. In the last game against Denver, Splitter played 21 minutes and had 12 points (6 of 7 shooting) and 9 boards. It should be a little easier on him since he should be very familiar with Nene's play.
At this point, I don't really care if Tiago plays a lot this season. The guy is too soft and until he gets tough, he isn't going to excel. MOVING ON!
this.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShoogarBear
Someone needs to tell Tiago to stop running to the center to take charges, he's not even close 100% of the time and just gets knocked the fuck out.
He's a complimentary player, my man. The way he's gonna help this team is by making life easier for the Big 3, not filling in for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by MannyIsGod
His best attributes currently are his mobility (on the defensive end and on the offensive end in the pick-and-roll game) and his passing. He's not going to be anything more than a little more physically gifted Oberto if given the chance this year. He's not Scola, and never has been Scola, someone who had a pretty polished offensive post game coming into the NBA.
If he's not going to get any kind of minutes consistently, I'm not sure how he's going to impress anyone -- especially if he's playing the majority of his minutes with ballhandlers that can make the pass off the dribble in the pick-and-roll or don't utilize Tiago as anything more than a means to get their own shot off.
The flip shots are weak and he's looking to draw charges much too often -- he's giving up his size way more than he should -- but I still see the movement and intelligence there to be a really useful piece this year. But he's going to have to play with their best players on a somewhat regular basis -- he needs to see time early in games and Pop should be making it a goal of his to find a handful or more of minutes a night to hand out to him for the betterment of their team and long term outlook.
Tiago can play, the expectations by some that Tim would in some way be passing the torch to him a la Robinson, were just ridiculously unrealistic.
The guy's a complimentary role player . . .
but he's younger and a better fit than scola!:lol sorry couldnt resist
seriously, he spazzes out way too much, that has to be over anxiousness. I'd definitely trade some combo of splitter + bonner/blair for a more reliable bigman. depth doesnt mean nearly as much in the PO
Who's gonna trade a team a better big man for a lesser big man or two?
He has played overanxious and too eager, pressing to try and impress. But it is what it is -- don't see it changing this year with the direction Pop has seemingly chosen.
So the answer would be a welfare starting job?
In other words he needs to be spoon-fed....?Quote:
Originally Posted by DrSteffo
If the players were more used to playing with Splitter, he would have hit double digit points easily. He got wide up on his way to the basket a bunch of times, and either the pass wasn't made, or it was late.
I was actually kind of impressed.
But he rushes his shots more than Blair on a bad night.
That might be the stupidest comment ever posted on this board. Conga rats.Quote:
Originally Posted by fyatuk
I could be banned, but here I go ... he is not Scola, sorry people:lol
i didn't know that Splitter was this offensively unpolished. he's a good defender, but he doesn't bring enough offensively to the table to warrant playing time other than when Bonner and Blair aren't doing anything out there.
Call it what you want. I see it more like in garbage time he is expected to eat soup with a fork. Some players don't need a spoon (Blair for example) but Splitter is not like that. He needs guards to pass to him when he is open and he is very good at getting open. I am surprised that some people here seem to have had too high expectations of him. I have seen Splitter play for many years and I'm well aware of his limitations.Quote:
Originally Posted by G-Dawgg
Yeah, that should have been "single most pathetic shot".Quote:
Originally Posted by polandprzem
WTF, getting grammar-schooled by Lech Wałęsa.
i think we will lose more game if he play more time on the floor.:(maybe i expect too much about him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spurs da champs
I think the expectations of this board on Tiago were over the top. I have always said he is a poor's man Gasol.
But honestly, the garbage time unit doesn't need gHill running the clock down and bricking contested threes either. Splitter has been open tens of times and he never gets it from Hill.
Just an observation here...
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Originally Posted by ShoogarBear
You can read polish letters?
Czyli wychodzi na to, iż mogę pisać polskie znaki na tym forum.
Dzięki Shoog :tu
He has always been tough on the defensive end and soft on the offensive end. I tried to tell people that he would cause the same frustrations that Rasho did with regards to his preference to shoot little floaters and hooks as opposed to taking it strong to the hole.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShoogarBear
Fuck spurs bench..splitter is not handling the ball so he's not getting any shot...do you guys wondwr why TD's production is lowthis season? coz of guard oriented offense..they're not calling plays for TD often now....splitter only got one when TP did it before he went to bench.......
I don't think we can take much for that time he played. The game was already over and everyone was playing bad, even Neal was horrible
But he must stop with those weak moves on O. That one yesterday was ugly
you people need to stop expecting so much from splitter every time he steps foot on the court. the dude is rusty as hell from sitting on the bench all year. i mean, take a loot at dice who's a solid vet. he was playing very limited minutes early in the season, and now that he's come back, he's been making bonehead mistakes left and right like that dead ball foul a couple games ago. if a vet needs a few games to shake off the rust, a rookie is definitely going to need time. unfortunately, pop isn't going to give him any this season.
I'll go on record here as saying that Splitter will end up being a solid & productive player for the Spurs...in time...
Trash him all you want now and trash anyone who has high hopes for him...but sooner or later he will force Pop to play him important minutes and he will be what he has always been...a really good player who is a winner and that won't be taken away by his rookie play in sporadic minutes.
Mark my words.
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Originally Posted by Spurs da champs
Fuck that, he sucks. Let him ride the bench and watch the other bigs so he can learn a few thangs.
Everytime he sets a screen he slips it. That shot is not gonna fly.
Stats are for losers. Watch the game and try to think how his skills will help the team.
I see opponents SF raping Dejuan in the post and opponents PF/C thinking twice before they even try to post up on Splitter.
Good post. :toastQuote:
Originally Posted by BlairForceDejuan
He did not try to do too much and did not get hurt, no worries there and while he was on the court others were firing shots all over the place.
Or, maybe he's stuck to the bench because that's the extent of his game right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spurs da champs
My expectations are so low right now that I actually jumped up and yelled when he challenged that guy Jones going to the rim.
He got a sweet pass from Parker for a foul and he threaded some very nice passes to guards slashing along the baseline while he was at the top of the arc.
He has good hands and great passing skills. He needs someone to feed him the ball when he is moving off the pick and roll. TP and he did it great earlier in the season. GHill cant seem to grasp the concept of "Hey 7 footer who can run is ACTUALLY running toward the hoop and is open" and he takes an extra two dribbles or passes it to the next guard.
Splitter needs to be set up, obviously, but he can move without the ball pretty damn well and he is VERY mobile for a guy that big.
Splitter will be ok. I don't think the Spurs were waiting for him all this time for naught.
He was playing much better at the start of the season, his shot is horrible and he showed some lack of conditining but he was active, rebounded, looked a little lost on the D which is not unusual in the Spurs system for any new player, but he would get put backs, and show up on the stat sheet, the last month or so I noticed his body language is bad, he looks like he doesn't want to be out there, his hustle is completely gone, and consequently he looks bad, I really blame Pop for jerking him around, but at this point you can't really make a case for him since the team itself is playing at a marvelous level, making room for Splitter is not really viable unless an injury changes the scenery. But if a chance comes he has to get out of that mental funk he has gone into, IMO.
Maybe spurs put him in a stranght program. That would mean he have big load of heavy lifting. And it takes time to adjust plus it takes time to get back the freshness of the body.Quote:
Originally Posted by pjjrfan
He's a choke this season, hopefully he does better in his second season. That's basically all we can hope for because he is not doing anything good enough in garbage time or in practice to earn him more playing time. I was expecting so much more from him.
Maybe, but that is if Splitter signs with the Spurs for next season. At this pace I would be surprised if he does.Quote:
Originally Posted by spursfan1000
3.4 mil for a victory cigar ugg.
Splitter signed a 3 year contract. He'll be here next season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chomag
He looked a little too Ron mergers on offense for my tastes last night...
Had to chime in on this one. Give Splitter a break. He is a rookie coming from overseas, getting less than sporadic minutes (to say the least) and in a system that doesn't fully utilize or focus on the "5" position. Not even a good comparison because different types of players and position, but go back and look at Dirk's rookie stats. Not that impressive numbers and Dirk got about twice the minutes.
Give Tiago time and more importanly a fair opportunity. I look for a definite improvement next year in many aspects, including being stronger after an offseason w/ the Spurs S&C coach.
P.S. Still think he can/will help in the playoffs this season.
Nie ma za co.Quote:
Originally Posted by polandprzem
Neal didn't look to spiffy in that last stretch either. It's hard to have a good outing when the entire thing is based on chaos, as that last 15 pretty much was.Quote:
Originally Posted by Werdsniper2
3-11 and 1-5 from the arc, 5 turnovers... that's not the Neal we're accustomed to seeing. He's not too good at the PG role, but he can at least bring it down the court. I didn't like that really really rushed 3 he took, not even set, on that break.
One thing I have noticed, for sure, that's not practice related is that he's not physical. He takes hits, sure, but he's not a banger in the paint like he should be at his size. Blair is a lot more physical than Splitter. Tiago tries to play a finesse game, but he's not good enough to do that in the NBA. Sure he can do it against a bunch of players with day jobs, but here he needs to knock a few guys off their position and lay some wood under the rim. Even if that gets him ejected, so what? We need that from him.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChuckD
Splitter makes me believe more and more in the idea that "it gets worse before it gets better". But it better get better.
Just remember Jefferson from last year. He was terrible. One off season later, he is a fucking beast.
Let it go Spurs fan, you it takes a while to get this system and understand it.
http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursna...tters-minutes/Quote:
So why has Splitter played in just 29 of 40 games this season, averaging 11:18 per? The simplest, shortest answer is this: He is not one of the Spurs’ top five big men right now.
Tim Duncan, DeJuan Blair, Antonio McDyess and Matt Bonner are all ahead of Splitter in line for minutes right now, and the allotment of available time grows shorter on nights coach Gregg Popovich elects to go small.
Typically, having too much depth on the frontline would be fall under the heading of “good problem to have.” For Spurs fans, who have waited — often impatiently — for Splitter since the Spurs made him the 28th overall pick in the 2007 draft, it is cause for consternation.
“I’m sure that he’s frustrated and would love to be on the court,” Popovich acknowledged. “At the same time he’s been a total team positive, working hard to be ready if called upon. He’s conducted himself in a totally professional manner.”
The bigger Splitter question is this: With 42 games remaining in the regular season, does he still have time to solidify himself as part of Popovich’s playoff rotation?
“We’ll see,” Popovich said, and so will Spurs fans.
AgreeQuote:
Originally Posted by sa_kid20
Blair and Bonner plays with Ginobili, Parker, RJ and Duncan... Splitter with Quinn, Neal, McDyess... little difference.
its fun read the posts of this forum... guys think Tiago will be the next Duncan... he's only 28 pick of draft.
Posting draft positions as evidence of player quality is an open door for ridicule on this forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by BRs.Ganso
ok, I told shit :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by DMC
buts it's just a example, we can't wait much by him.
what an awful thread...
watch the damn game instead!
He is a 7 guy who can run and who has solid Defensive foundation. In 15 mn he did just that. The only thing that bothers me is his lack of rebounds, for the rest he is what we could expect.
Maybe, Marions shot is uglier but he hits it alot more.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShoogarBear
BTW his FT's are the ugliest maybe? They are just flat out ugly.
I don't have extraordinary expectation for Tiago so I'm not sure why you're reminding me he's a role player. The fact of the matter is that role players who play mainly with the big three would do a hell of a lot better in the garbage time minutes than Tiago did. He's the fifth big on this team and at this time he does absolutely nothing better than one of the other bigs available thereby removing any reason to play him with the big 3.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blackjack
He's not better than Blair, He's not better than Bonner, and He's not better than Antonio so there is absolutely no need for a role player who can't pay better than your other role players at the same position.
The defense he had early in the season has now joined his offense in the tank. If I see him go for another steal at the free throw line or higher I will probably break my TV by throwing something at it and I'm going to assume that Pop feels much the same.
I wasn't expecting a reincarnation of David Robinson, but right now he's not even CLOSE to being the steady productive that was Oberto. He's at the same level of an Ian Mahimni and while he may turn that around in the future there is absolutely no reason to play him with the big three at this point in time.
all Blair has on defense is to cheat and go after the strip/steal
Too bad you adopted his name prematurely eh? :lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by BlairForceDejuan
Plus he's from Brazil...Quote:
Originally Posted by Brazil
But no agenda in your game, amirite?
I actually kind of used your post to speak to the broader audience/topic, so I wasn't really reminding you or trying to tell you -- specifically -- who and what he is.Quote:
Originally Posted by MannyIsGod
Bottom line, the Spurs know who their top-2 bigs are (Duncan and 'Dyess). After that, Blair's there most talented, Bonner's their shooting 4 and Splitter's their best hope to combat the bigger frontlines come the playoffs. They've gotta get the guy some reps and exhaust their options. Passing judgment on what we've seen from Splitter recently in sporadic minutes is futile -- are we to look at what we've seen as of late after he's been made an afterthought or look to all of what we've seen from him overseas and in International play against NBA talent?
Honestly, Splitter's given me the impression on more than one occasion that he sees his minutes as pretty much meaningless. Like he's certain he'll be riding the bench on account of a more talented and ingrained Blair and a player in Bonner that brings something to the table he just can't better him at. I don't like it and I'd love to think I may be off base, but it's been pretty obvious to me. And even if it's a pretty douche mentality (if I'm correct), I couldn't care less if the guy could turn it around with minutes to help the team win. But I expect we'll continue to see spotty play for as long as he keeps being utilized in this manner.
But if he got time with the Big 3, I'm confident you'd see much more of the player we've known him to be and the one he's shown glimpses of this year. And again, you're not going to see what he brings to the table for a contender playing with and against third-string players. Between the star mentality he has (and that's a positive most of the time -- not so much in garbage time) and the skillset he has to offer (screening, passing, rolling, defending), I just don't see where he's going to impress anyone playing mop-up duty.
Pop's made it pretty clear to me that this year isn't for Tiago. I'm simply not buying it; not for the team's long-term objective (championship).
If Pop intends Tiago to be a long term replacement for someone like Dyess (He wants to retire after this year, and next year's player option is only for half, right?), then bringing him up slowly makes sense.
The problem is that the Spurs' championship window is tiny. Practically speaking, this season is it. Lockout will most likely waste next year, and then you're back with an even older Duncan, Manu, and Parker? Tiago won't be able to plug enough holes 2 years from now even if he does pan out.
This is the part that puzzles me about Pop. I think this is really the last contending year for the Spurs--so to dismiss Tiago for the year seems premature at best on Pop's part.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blackjack
It's evident that Tiago will require a complete re-work of his post game, IMO. Those weak ass oddball semi-layups are not going to cut it in the NBA. That's not going to happen overnight, and most likely will also not happen during the season.
His defense will improve over time because he has good awareness and footwork. His rebounding will also need work though.
That said, I also think he's a good extra body to throw out there against the more rugged bigs during the regular season. It'll just save some extra wear and tear on Dice or Tim.
I don't have any real great expectations for his post game. I think Pop and the Spurs view the league as becoming less dominant on paint scores in the traditional sense (post-play from the pivot) and are continuing to gear themselves into that Euro direction -- keeping the middle open with shooting and mobility to compliment the drive-and-kick game.
I view Tiago's offense as being pretty dependent on the playmaking of others, now and moving forward. He'll probably develop a shot at some point -- or rediscover the little bit of one he used to have -- but I view him as essentially a finisher: pick-and-roll game, duck-ins, flash cuts, etc.
Yeah. I've given up on him becoming part of this year's team in any real meaningful fashion. If he does, great. I'd love to see it. But Pop doesn't seem to take my advice as much as he used to.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
I think I may have said something a little out of line -- and loud enough to where he could here me say it from the comfort of my home all the way down to the AT&T. :depressed
When Tiago was picked 3 years ago, he probably was picked up more for his defensive abilities (P&R especially) than for his offensive abilities (virtually non-existent then, almost non-existent now).Quote:
Originally Posted by Blackjack
The irony of his situation is that the year he finally comes over, the Spurs decide to focus on offense and become Suns Lite (Sun-Lite?). Oy.
Well, he was more of a value-pick. The Spurs took advantage of the opportunity to get a player that had lottery talent but contract issues prevented those teams from risking such an important pick on him.Quote:
Originally Posted by toki9
I don't think the Spurs were ever under the illusion Tiago was anything more than a solid rotation big at the NBA level -- which isn't something there are a whole lot of these days. Every time I've heard a member of the coaching staff speak to Tiago's ability or game, the two names that always come up are Oberto and Varejao. And while the comparisons have merit and those two players would be quality additions to the team, neither of which would have been confused for a Duncan successor or someone to be Duncan's understudy the way Tim had been for Dave.
It may have been different for Tiago had he come into camp healthy and ready to play from Day 1, but once the Spurs got off to such a hot start and the combination of their long-term approach with Blair (starting him to both develop him and manage minutes for Duncan and 'Dyess) and Bonner's good play, it was just a confluence of events that left Splitter on the outside looking in.
For Pop to go to Splitter now would force him to tell Blair and/or Bonner they're just not going to be good enough no matter what they do. It'd be saying we're going to let this rookie take minutes you could do better with here in the short term because we need him to figure it out long term, basically.
I can't see Pop doing that. He's much more likely to go with what he knows and what's been working, not banking on a rookie being a championship difference maker.
Thats the part that is baffling to me. Splitter was considered a lottery talent,Quote:
Originally Posted by Blackjack
which means to be that he would be much more talented than just a roatation guy. I wasn't expecting Splitter to get major minutes this year, but I was expecting him to be in the rotation by now. From what little I've seen of Splitter play this year, the only positives I can take away are his footwork. Splitter needs to get stronger and his post game needs to be completely overhauled.
The success rate of big men "lottery talent" over the years isn't overwhelming, so saying that Splitter belongs in that group is still a correct statement.Quote:
Originally Posted by jjktkk
What a cheerful bunch of posters.
Basically saying the Spurs have ZERO possibilities to come out of the West.
Because Bonner cannot guard Gasol/Bynum/Odom, will start missing those 3s in the PO, as he has ALWAYS done, and Blair is 6.5, and no team has won a title with a 6.5 center, with the exception of Unseld's Bullets.
So no Splitter, no Finals.
Now, of course the Mavs could eliminate the Lakers.........
I'm french, I have no agenda, look at the flag. I'm just living in Brazil, if not for the spurs I wouldn't give a damn about if Splitter is good or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by DMC
Antonio McDyess says hello.Quote:
Originally Posted by temujin
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Originally Posted by Brazil
Correct.
Sarcasm says hello.Quote:
Originally Posted by ploto
I just hope not acclimating Splitter doesn't come back and bite the Spurs in the playoffs. If it's Blair and Bonner as our contributors for the playoffs then so be it. It will be what it will be.
I just hope it turns out for the best.