That's actually unknowable since the NBA didn't keep that stat during their careers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Phila_Chamberlain
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That's actually unknowable since the NBA didn't keep that stat during their careers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Phila_Chamberlain
You're right...Laker basketball ceased to exist before Kobe Bryant. Sick burn, brah.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShoogarBear
To be precise, he didn't imply that Laker basketball didn't exist before Kobe, merely that you're ignorant of anything before KB's arrival in LA.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeadlyDynasty
It was probably Shaq's arrival, as prior to that Kobe was coming off the bench I do believe.
:lol BUMP you've infiltrated pretty deep into the main board this timeQuote:
Originally Posted by guitardude27
I'm flattered, tbh...usually Spurfan only dates Laker fandom back to 02/01/2008. He's behind the times with his bandwagon burns, tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mel_13
I never claimed there was "great separation" between the 2. D-Rob was great, Hakeem was better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blackjack
"Well I don't have a problem with you believing that."Quote:
Originally Posted by DeadlyDynasty
I don't have a problem with people believing in an invisible man that watches over us...I just prefer to believe in what can be seen and proven.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blackjack
Omnipotence has its benefits . . .Quote:
Originally Posted by DeadlyDynasty
touche, salesmanQuote:
Originally Posted by Blackjack
Omnipotence ain't a sell, my man. It's just how I roll.
So aside from their one head-to-head playoff series... which San Antonio was bound to lose on account of (as others have noted, Bob Hill's coaching, Dennis Rodman's mysterious urge to chuck several 3 pointers and failing to defend the perimeter - particularly one Robert Horry) lack of clutch 3pt shooting (No Mario Elie, Sam Cassell, Robert Horry, Clyde Drexeler, or Kenny Smith to speak of)...Quote:
Originally Posted by DeadlyDynasty
ah... but there is grand separation.
No head to head comparison of such large sample size has been more skewed by perception than that of Robinson vs. Hakeem.
42 Matchups.
30 Wins for Robinson's Spurs.
12 Wins for Olajuwon's Rockets.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/...1&p2=olajuha01
Interesting, but Olajuwon's stats were better in the head-to-head matchups. Now if you wanna say, "well, D-Rob's team won so that's all that matters," I'll be quick to remind you of the playoffs again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Phenomanul
As for the excuses in the 1995 WCF...sure, coaching and Rodman were factors, but Olajuwon's utter dominance in that series was the main reason San Antonio lost--to deny that would bring your credibility into question.
Hakeem's performance in the 1995 WCF is one of the all-time greatest performances in playoff history, and D-Rob was his primary defender for most of that.
Similar career stats (Dream's were a shade better for the most part), one MVP apiece, Dream with one more DPOY.
If you're going to blame outside factors like poor teammates on DRob's postseason failures, then you have to use the same logic in their regular season H2H matchups (especially since Hakeem's H2H's stats were better).
It's a two-way street, fellas.
Terry Cummings sighting!:wow Ahh the memories. I remember when I begged my grandad for a pair of $125 D-Rob sneakers and he bought them for me. I was only in the 7th grade too, lol.
David was my favorite Spur then but I have heard from several people over the years that he's an asshole.
Dave actually has better stats in the link provided, two less points but also took one less shot and was more efficient -- while his team dominated the matchup.
Hakeem was allowed to play one-on-one that series while the Rockets -- smartly and competently -- zoned up Robinson. Dave was playing in a straight jacket pretty much and having to worry about foul trouble, whereas Hakeem was allowed to go to work.
Bob Hill's dumb ass didn't understand that you actually had to make adjustments and that beating a team six or so times prior to a playoff (Spurs were like 6-1 or some shit in regular season and pre-season games played before the playoffs) didn't mean adjustments weren't there to be made; the incompetence was truly otherworldly . . .
Edit: My bad, made one less shot (1.8, to be exact). Took 6 less (14.3 to 20FGA).
Lol, you create a shit load of threads..four on the main page alone..
Anyways, damn good vid..im honored to have been able to watch Two of the top three spurs of all time, not to mention Parker is gonna retire as our best pg of all time, and manu aint too shabby himself.
Precisely. David wins the head to head career matchups by a ratio greater than 2:1.Quote:
Originally Posted by Phenomanul
Too much is made of that one series in '95. Overall, considering their entire careers and the fact that when they met they were the most dominating players on their respective teams, David won against Hakeem far more than he lost. Not even close.
I'm pretty sure Olojuwon destroyed Shaq in the very next round [without homecourt advantage no less], but that never stopped Laker fans from conveniently stepping over to the "other side of the street"... at least Robinson's Spurs managed to nab two games at Houston.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeadlyDynasty
But here's a little Basketball 101 lesson for you... The Spurs couldn't double Olojuwon because of the accuracy of the aforementioned 3pt bombers... David on the otherhand was constantly doubled... The Rockets gambled that Del Negro and the rest of the Spurs' perimeter players couldn't beat them... and they were right. The worse part was that Rudy T. kept feeding the ball to Hakeem and the Spurs coaching staff never made the necessary adjustment to keep their offense off balance. Despite Olojuwon's impressive numbers the swing games (and series deciding plays) were made by Elie, Cassell and Horry.
So while I'd never deny that Olojuwon's performance in that series was spectacular, the casual NBA fan has no other footing on which to claim that a vast separation between the two players exists (in Olojuwon's favor). And yet they and the media constantly undermine The Admiral.
Hakeem Olajuwon has better individual numbers and team numbers. FACT or FICTION?
You guys really need to shelve the excuses and just accept reality. Denial is not a healthy state of mind.
Well, this is probably futile against a guy who chose to be called Phila_Chamberlain, but here goes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Phila_Chamberlain
Nobody knows who blocked more shots. But what IS consistently validated by people who saw them play was that Russell blocked shots to keep in play to teammates, and Chamberlain blocked them into the seats. (In fact, this is the one thing that Duncan does probably better than Robinson.)
Chamberlain obviously was no slouch at defense. But, like with the way he blocked shots, Russell revolutionized the concepts of what a center is supposed to do on defense, and the way team defense is played. Chamberlain dominated the game, but Russell influenced it much more.
Unlike what you said, I don't think Russell was a better athlete than Robinson. (Chamberlain is a whole 'nother story, still probably the greatest athlete in team sports.) I think if Russell appeared today in his prime, he wouldn't be a top-tier center. But that's because a lot of the principles of center play are based on what he did.
but but but...Davey had nobody to play with :cry
Let's ignore the fact that every other team in the wide-open 90's western conference was able to make it to the finals. The Spurs were a consistent 55-win team, what's their excuse?
My goodness my jaw was on the floor through that entire video.
That must have been what 1991, 1992 or so?
Such athleticism, mobility, power. So humble after the fact.
I wish David Robinson could enter the league in 2011. Can you imagine the media storm that would envelop over his kind of dominance.
Damn the Spurs for not surround him with another superstar.
I can tell you that I never took D-Rob for granted. He was my favorite player. Probably the most athletic center to ever man the spot. He was already a superb defender and shotblocker when he entered the NBA. He made himself into an all-around player, rebounding and scoring machine.Quote:
Originally Posted by DMC
His exploits on both ends of the court were simply astounding. The stuff other centers simply would not or could not do. Amazing!
Duncan is certainly the greatest ever at his position. D-Rob was certainly one of the greatest at his - although he doesn't get near enough recognition.