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I hate Lakers more than Mavs.
fuck the mavs why care for their misfortunes? fuck them nothing to see here
If they were willing to let Felton walk - I wouldn't expect them take on Haywood's contract just because he was mediocre big on a couple of Matt Daugherty's teams.Quote:
Originally Posted by TD 21
That's really not a bad trade for the Bobcats. Huge savings in 11-12 and 12-13 that don't have to get paid back until 13-14 and 14-15.Quote:
Originally Posted by TD 21
Really risky for the Mavs, though. The only thing protecting them from seeing Ian as their starting center is Chandler and his injury history.
As much as I hate the Mavs, I love intrastate rivalries. I would much prefer three Texas teams in the playoffs than just the Spurs. Basketball is alive and well in Texas, and I would like to see all three teams being contenders every year with the caveat that only the Spurs win the championship.
One thing you have to give to Cuban (among many) is that he's been a catalyst for the SA/DAL rivalry. He's business savvy as hell, and that bodes well for both franchises.
losing butler really hurt them. a trade may not be necessary if roddy comes back but he seems to have all the healing potential of mahimini. maybe it's a french thing.
This. Always. Lakers suck.Quote:
Originally Posted by honestfool84
cool story broQuote:
Originally Posted by DMC
I am always against the team with the better record ... so Go Mavs !!!Quote:
Originally Posted by JWest596
I've got a mixed feeling about this team.
I have a great admiration for both Jason Kidd and Dirk.
At the same time, I can't feel sorry about them at all because of Terry and Cuban.
fuck both of them... my tv will not be tuned in to that bs.Quote:
Originally Posted by JWest596
What happened to all the stuff about the Mavs depth? Losing to the Pistons is just unreal even with Chandler out as well as Butler.
One thing about the Mavs even when winning all those games their point differential was not that great and it is like without Dirk and Caron they have just tanked - maybe they were just over-hyped? It just shows how over-hyped Jason Terry and Marion are by some.
It is ok Roddy Beaulois will save the season for the Mavs! (or not!)
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Originally Posted by Mel_13
K-State Spur, that was then, this is now. For example, the Suns having already undone some of and supposedly would like to undo all of their summer additions.
Haywood would at least give them a credible starting center for the foreseeable future (even though he's like Dampier; now that he's received the last big contract of his career, he's on cruise control) and like Mel_13 said, they'd reap savings in the next two seasons.
Mel_13, it would be a worthwhile risk for the Mavs, considering the fact that they wouldn't give up a ton of value and would rid themselves of a bloated contract at a position where they have a younger, more athletic, better player, who's an upcoming free agent. Plus, even though Jackson's not in the stratosphere of James, Wade, Bryant, Ginobili, Pierce, etc., he'd give them a better option as far as a go-to perimeter scorer/shot creator than they've had in some time.
The downfall would be, as you say, having to rely on two unproven centers (Ajinca being the other; Diop is out for the season) to man the middle if the injury prone Chandler goes down. Compounding matters worse, they don't have a quality backup PF, so there would be no legit third big. But it's still worthwhile.
I honestly feel bad for the Mavs. We of all fans know what injury can do to a team. I never wish any team injuries. I feel the same about the Rockets with Yao's injury (actually I feel worse for Rocket fan, because I have respect for them).
I hope Dirk heals fast, and I hope the Mavs pick up a replacement for Butler.
They're surely going to make a significant trade, so a trade like the one you suggest wouldn't surprise me. They have zero chance of making a deep playoff run as currently constructed and standing pat would mean accepting another failed season.Quote:
Originally Posted by TD 21
Dirk and Kidd seem destined to join Ewing and Barkley on that list.
LOL @ Haywood = credible center. He'd be a downgrade over what they are currently getting from Nazr.Quote:
Originally Posted by TD 21
Yep, and thats what I don't want to happen.. They will get better again like last year from that trade where they got hot late and looked scary.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mugen
What about Malone, Stockton and Miller?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mel_13
K-State Spur, a trade and a starting position would probably reinvigorate Haywood. He's always been the type to sulk when he's not starting. When he's motivated, he's a quality center.
Mohammed is still useful in short bursts, but he's at the stage where he can't be relied on for more than 18-20 mpg. Plus, he said earlier in the season that he may retire after this season. He's not a long term answer. Haywood's probably as good as the Bobcats can do.
Them too.Quote:
Originally Posted by TD 21
1) Going from a contender to a doormat would reinvigorate him? If he's sulking because he is coming off the bench (but still in the rotation) behind a superior player, that's not exactly a selling point for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by TD 21
2) Brendan has never been a "quality" center (with the possible exception of '08 in Washington) - mediocre or slightly above at times. There's a reason that Washington fans had labeled him as "Brenda" for most of his career there.
3) Nazr is only 2 years older than Haywood. Neither is a long term solution - no matter what the Dallas front office thought when they handed out that contract. It's one thing to say that Haywood might be an upgrade Charlotte at center if he returns to last year's level. It's another thing to say that other teams will value that level of play at $8-10M per season until 2015, when he will be 35.
I guess my overall point is that Haywood has zero (actually negative) trade value as a player at this point in time. NOBODY wants him right now with that contract. The only way he gets moved is if he part of a large scale trade that involves Dallas taking on vastly worse contract(s).
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Originally Posted by K-State Spur
You're missing the point. Going from the bench to starting is what would (potentially) reinvigorate him. I'm not necessarily advocating the move from the Bobcats standpoint, just playing devil's advocate. I could easily see this trade happening, so I'm looking at it from the standpoint of (if it does), why the Bobcats would do it.
At the very least, he's a credible center. Much more credible than guys like Brown and Diop. I never suggested he was anything special, though.
Mohammed has hinted at retirement. Haywood has another four years (five, but I think it's safe to safe whatever team he's on in year five declines the team option) on his contract. Despite his advancing age, he'd be a long term answer of sorts. I never said the latter, the former is what I'm getting at.
I agree Haywood has no trade value, or at least shouldn't, not with that albatross of a contract. But stranger things have happened in this league. Just look recently. Turkoglu has been traded twice and Arenas once. Mere months ago, that seemed unthinkable.
I get what you're saying - and I've taken off on a few tangents myself - but the point is this: Haywood does NOT have trade value with his contract.
For Dallas to move him - to Charlotte or anywhere - they would have to add pieces on their end (i.e. RB, which they wouldn't do), or they would have to take on an even worse contract (more likely).
Chemistry is a fragile thing. You don't realize how important it is until it is gone.
Dirk's injury was an obvious crushing blow. You can't lose a Super Star and expect to win very many games. But the loss of Butler was far more important than many "experts" wanted to believe.
"Tuff Juice" was a pretty good defender and he was finally finding his shot a little bit. Plus he was a catalyst out there. He always drew the tough defensive assignment taking pressure of Kidd.
Compounding the loss of Butler was Terry trying to step into the starting roll. Which is a failure. Terry is a below average defender so that hurt us on Defense and Terry's shooting was Horrible in December.
So without Butler and without Dirk it made it almost impossible to put a decent lineup on the floor.
Then just as Dirk was starting to get better Chandler gets sick. He was still sick last night throwing up before the game. Chandler is the piece of the puzzle that has been missing in Dallas for years. He is the athletic center the Mavs have not had since the 80's.
So subtract Dirk, Butler and Chandler and the Mavs are old and terrible. Insert Dirk and Chandler back into the lineup like last night against the Lakers
and get lucky with a 10 day contract guy like Pavolovic so Terry can come off the bench and you have a chance to win every night.
If Dirk and Chandler stay healthy the rest of the year the Mavs will challenge for the west. But if we had a healthy Butler the Mavs could have have gotten a title this year. But that's what happens in the NBA every year. 3 weeks ago we had High Hopes. Now we just pray for a win every night.
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you know... i'm actually going to be cheering for the Mavs on Wednesday vs the Lakers.
Still do.Quote:
Originally Posted by JWest596