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good.
Yeah the old man needs his rest
If the coaches don't select him, Stern will probably name him as the Yao injury roster replacement.
I personally wont mind him resting was just a lil surprised.
He'll easily be selected by the coaches. He's the second best center in the league and there's no other legit candidate for backup center in the West.
Not surprising that he isn't going to start. The coaches will definitely put him on the team though.
I wouldn't be surprised if Tim doesn't even make the All-Star game. By stats, he's not having an all-star year and I think Love and Griffin are more deserving right now. However, I think Griffin might be snubbed in favor of Timmy.
Yao being the West center's leader is helping Tim. Also Melo may be in the East soon.
Yao (free spot)-Durant-Melo (might be an opening)-Kobe-Paul
Manu-Westbrook-Dirk-Gasol-Love-Griffin-Williams-Duncan
I can't see Griffin getting snubbed, would be shocked.
Also Rapper is gonna be pissed.
Duncan should make it because of Yao and Melo being in the east hopefully.
Based on the how the standards for this have always been, Duncan is easily more deserving than Griffin and Love. Also, he's a center, while they're both power forwards. With the exception of Gasol, the West has no one else to play center, which only makes the decision easier.
Why is this even being debated? How many past their prime players have made it based more on reputation than anything? Yet the one time Duncan is about to make it, despite his stats not being All-Star caliber, now people have an issue. Even though, as I alluded to, he should easily make it on merit. But even if he shouldn't and it was more based on reputation, who cares? We're talking about one of the ten best players of all-time. He can't get afforded that respect even once, but punks like Garnett can get it year after year and no one says a damn thing? I don't get it.
Love has no chance. Griffin has a chance because his team is surging, but based on how the standards have always been, neither should make it. The last rookie to be selected by the coaches was Duncan in '98. Not even James was selected, but Griffin is going to be on a non playoff team? Hype is (almost) everything today, though, so I wouldn't be surprised if that's overlooked and he get's in.
How can the Spurs be denied three All-Stars, though? The Pistons had four in '06, when they had an insane start. Like Duncan, Ginobili and Parker are deserving based on merit, but even if it was debatable, this should a career achievement award of sorts for the Spurs. They've owned this season to this point, they've had one or both of them snubbed multiple times and it's time they finally get the respect they've deserved for years. Three All-Stars should be a given. Yet because of the West being loaded at the point and thin on the wings and bigs, there's a very real chance that Parker won't make it.
Sooo what? :lol The final results havent even been announced yet. Although it is highly unlikely he gets voted in as a starter, the voting isnt even over yet. And the coaches still have to vote for the subs...
your project Spurs app obviously sucks. voting's not even closed yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tp9gospursgo
21.
So now all when there is too many PF's better than Duncan he conveniently is a Center.:lmao
Does this mean he is not the 2nd best PF ever? But a top 10-15 center now.
Don't be such a dick.Quote:
Originally Posted by itzsoweezee
Only one spot for a 35-6 team?Quote:
Originally Posted by timtonymanu
The clippers have been playing better lately so I am ok with Griffin being an All Star... But Love? The 10 wins wolves?
The Spurs deserve two players in. Manu is the obvious first but with his credential, some solid if not stellar statistics (as of now he is ranked 21 in PER) and his impact on defense Duncan should be chosen by the coaches.
You're asking him to never post again?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tp9gospursgo
I think it's great if no Spurs go to the AS game. Sure some other teams' fans will use it as a mini-championship, but it will underscore the obvious fact that fan voting needs to be weighted differently if the league ever wants to showcase their talent, and move away from just another extension of the dunk contest.
Griffin's a lock one way or another. The game's in LA.
Tim, Tony, and Manu all belong in the game, but it really doesn't matter. Just as soon see them take the weekend off. Looks like Pop has no way out.
This will be a awesome All-Star game ... Pop will play Kobe, Gasol (and perhaps Odom) for the full 48 minutes :lmao
Just shows how the vote is screwed up, it shouldnt have so much fan input stuffing the ballot boxes. That said, Im sure TD could give a damn and frankly Im glad hes getting more rest.
In the West there's plenty of PFs much more deserving than Duncan and since he wants to be labeled as a PF than he shouldn't be put in as center because it's the only he makes it.
No, it's not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ace
Aldridge, Love, Dirk, Griffin and even Randolph.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mel_13
You said being voted in as a center was the only way he could make it, it's not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ace
No way the coaches break Duncan's AS streak in a year where his team is on pace for 70 wins.
meh i don't care about duncan's allstar streak / him missing the allstar game if he comes to that..
first.. coaches will vote him in or he'll replace yao so im sure he's gonna be in it..
second.. the allstar spot doesn't hold as much merit as it did back in the 90's.. nowadays it's more like a popularity contest.. so it's a joke to me now..
third.. i'd be more upset if i don't see parker and / or manu in the allstar game neither.. it's blatant hypocrisy for a team to have the best record in the league yet not one all star player..
many spursfan in denial up in here.
Duncan does not deserve allstar this season. wake up.
I'm not saying he deserves it, just that he's going to get it.Quote:
Originally Posted by hater
When Timmy D retires, you all better not add "15 time all-star" or whatever to the end of his legacy. If Duncan makes it over Love or Griffen, the all-star nod is obviously meaningless.
Exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by coyotes_geek
It's not as if the 12 best players in each conference (or the 12 players having the best first half of the season) comprise the All-Star teams each year.
Why would you even want to see him in the game? It's not like his style of play now is suited for an ASG?
He'd probably only play 5 min tops so isn't this all kinda pointless anyway?
Agree, he'll be thereQuote:
Originally Posted by coyotes_geek
good point. It'd be kinda awkward to see Timmy dragging himself out there. while guys like Griffin would be doing monster dunks after monster dunks. It's the allstar, let the kids play.Quote:
Originally Posted by vy65
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Originally Posted by in2deep
heh..
1 dunk in 41 games vs. how many dunks from Griffin????Quote:
Originally Posted by jimo2305
heh....
Not that I disagree, but the 4 Pistons in 2006 where not exactly flashy.Quote:
Originally Posted by in2deep
the 4 pistons were playing at allstar level. Timmy is not.Quote:
Originally Posted by mathbzh
Fuck that. If he goes, he's an allstar. No one is going to look back and analyze this in 20 years and say, "yeah, but he wasn't as good as Blake in 2010 so I'm not counting that one".Quote:
Originally Posted by BlairForceDejuan
For as much as he has been underappreicated at times, he deserves every accolade he gets. So in the future, someone who never saw him play can say, "damn, he made the allstar game every season he played. he must have been pretty good."
Seriously?Quote:
Originally Posted by in2deep
If I you swap Kevin Love and Tim Duncan until the end of the season... how many wins do you think we would have?
Now, you're pushing it. If Timmy's stats aren't good enough for the All-Star, neither were Ben Wallace's.Quote:
Originally Posted by in2deep
check again. check the competition that Wallace was up against and come back...Quote:
Originally Posted by Mel_13
not saying he deserves it over griffin.. but then again.. does being a dunker = an allstar player?Quote:
Originally Posted by in2deep
this is part of what i mean when i say the ASG spot isn't about how well you play but it's more so a popularity contest..
'ooh that guy can do a 360 between the legs.. let's vote him in'
the video was meant to show that duncan isn't as washed up as many of y'all make him out to be.. he's still averaging a near double double.. he's just playing a role this season.. im sure if we force fed the ball thru him more than we're doing thru parker / manu, his numbers would go up..
He had some great stats (Edit: for a center in the East) indeed.Quote:
Originally Posted by in2deep
But not Rasheed Wallace his 15pts/6 rbds
I checked.Quote:
Originally Posted by in2deep
I'm back.
say what you may Duncan does not deserve allstar over Griffin/Love. Facts are facts.Quote:
Originally Posted by jimo2305
and popularity contest is more for the allstar starters. The subs are actually selected from their play this season primarily.
This year's western conference >>>>>>> 2005-2006 eastern conference.Quote:
Originally Posted by in2deep
BingoQuote:
Originally Posted by coyotes_geek
And what about the 4 Lakers in 1998?Quote:
Originally Posted by cheguevara
che.. i think it's more of an opinion determine who deserves the spot or not..Quote:
Originally Posted by cheguevara
if the spot is determined by facts then i guess we just have to focus on their stats and stats only..
but IMO.. i think a player who deserves to be an allstar is a player who's playing well and it shows on the stat board as well as how impactful he is to his team and the team's success.. love and griffin lose in that battle..
and to the fellas talkin' about ben wallace back then..
here's a who's - who back in that year for reference..
http://www.basketball-reference.com/...5_leaders.html
LOL it's silly that spursfans are bringing up allstar selections that happened years ago, but refuse to see the evidence this current year.Quote:
Originally Posted by mathbzh
:downspin:
Yes, Duncan is an allstar this season and deserves it. Let's pat ourserves in the back and sing. Carry on... :rolleyes
Wait.
Tim is playing like an All-Star in the minutes he's playing. So while his overall averages might not look that impressive, he's being very productive in the minutes he gets every game, especially when the offense is not running through him. He could still average 20 points if it was all about Tim and not the team. And if you definition of "All Star" is flash like Griffin, then Tim doesn't belong there and never did. Same with Ginobili and Parker, regardless of the fact that we are the most successful team in the NBA this year.
That said, its no big deal if Tim doesn't make it (even though he will) because Pop won't play Duncan more than 5 minutes (like last year when Duncan volunteered to sit on the bench and let the young players play) in the All Star game. So Tim will probably make it there to continue to bolster his legacy, but he won't play many minutes, guaranteed.
lol that's what i'm saying..Quote:
Originally Posted by cd98
it's not like i'm upset if he makes it or not.. i just don't believe it holds as much merit nowadays like it did in the past due to the inclusion of the fans having the popular vote of the starters..
i mean come on.. YAO MING? T-MAC?
No one said Duncan is washed up. However, do you think his current style of play is suited for an ASG over Griffin? Can you find any other plays besides 1 mediocre dunk kinda over Stevenson?Quote:
Originally Posted by jimo2305
Tim is still great, but not something I want to see in an ASG. Plus, I think he'd rather not deL with ASG anyway. Why do you want him there?
omg.. im not saying i want him to be a starter.. i just don't agree with how allstars are decided nowadays.. i could care less if he plays or not because the ASG isn't as important nowadays because of that very reason.. and yes people have said duncan's washed up and declined all over spurstalk.. that dunk proved them wrong.. don't act like i'm trying to say duncan's flashy..Quote:
Originally Posted by vy65
Love, Griffin, and Randolph won't be in the playoffs. If they aren't good enough to get their team into the 8th seed, then they aren't all stars. And no excuses. The T'wolves, Grizzlies, and Clippers are full of lotter pick players. So while they may get tons of shots and average 20 points a game, they are not all stars, not in the sense of making their teams competitive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ace
And Dirk, while he is an all-star, has to lose some votes based on his injuries and his overall reputation as a choker. Duncan, given his career, should get extra consideration, just like Bird, Magic, Jordan, and the rest of the superstars got at the end of their careers.
Duncan's PER is still borderline all star level (21.74) and he is 3rd in league as center (how Hollinger has consistently put him). Only 10 players in the West are outplaying him right now by this one way to look at value and no centers (Nene is the closest followed by Bynum)
Moreover it is not all about stats and his value to winning basketball is off the charts. That being said, honesty one could make a case against him and for 3-4 other players out West but he will most likely get the nod.
It will be kind of sad though if either Love with a 30/30 and Griffin with his 47 point game last night get left out and I would not be surprised to see the NBA expand the teams to 14 or 15 players sometime in the future.
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics
Assuming we maintain the same pace, one or two of the Spurs will probably be voted in by the coaches...probably Manu and maybe Tim.
But wouldn't it be something if none made it. I actually think it would be great. To be on a record pace and have no all-stars would even be a bigger credit to our TEAM.
Besides, I'd love to see TNT's Craig Sager ask Pop during the game, "How do you feel about none of your players making the all-star roster?" Pop's one word response, "Ecstatic!"
You are the one living in denial here. Check the history (event in recent years) coaches always look at the team record when they pick the All StarsQuote:
Originally Posted by cheguevara
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Personally I don't really care if he is selected. He has done enough to be considered one of the Best ever. One selection will add nothing to his legacy
I think Griffin should be in instead of Duncan. His team isn't playing too bad as of right now. If they had played like this at the beginning of the year then they might actually make the playoffs. Duncan is like our 3rd option and he sometimes has single point games. Of course I'd love to see him in but Griffin is more deserving IMHO. Manu and Tony definitely deserve to be in it and if they don't get voted in then i'd be extremely pissed. Especially Manu..
Manu is a lockQuote:
Originally Posted by Tp9gospursgo
POST OF THE YEAR. :clap :worthy: :flag:Quote:
Originally Posted by TD 21
I think Timmy will get voted in. Manu's not a lock. With him struggling lately for the last month that'll hurt his chances.
Manu will be in... but this will be Timmy's first year out.
I think theres room for both Duncan and Griffin in the ASG - give the minutes to Griffin though, I'd rather let him throw up 720 reverse alley oop jams and Timmy can sit, watch and enjoy it without having to ice his knees afterward
Tim will be selected by stern to replace the injured "shite"
fuck jon barry.
STFU man.... Respect Tim or get outta here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ace
duncan shouldnt get in but he probably win. manu is a lock since roy is crippled now.
Not that surprising......