Timmy not voted into this years all star game

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Originally Posted by in2deep

check again. check the competition that Wallace was up against and come back...

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This year's western conference >>>>>>> 2005-2006 eastern conference.

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Originally Posted by coyotes_geek

This year's western conference >>>>>>> 2005-2006 eastern conference.

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Bingo

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Originally Posted by cheguevara

Bingo

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And what about the 4 Lakers in 1998?

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Originally Posted by cheguevara

say what you may Duncan does not deserve allstar over Griffin/Love. Facts are facts.

and popularity contest is more for the allstar starters. The subs are actually selected from their play this season primarily.

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che.. i think it's more of an opinion determine who deserves the spot or not..

if the spot is determined by facts then i guess we just have to focus on their stats and stats only..

but IMO.. i think a player who deserves to be an allstar is a player who's playing well and it shows on the stat board as well as how impactful he is to his team and the team's success.. love and griffin lose in that battle..

and to the fellas talkin' about ben wallace back then..

here's a who's - who back in that year for reference..
http://www.basketball-reference.com/...5_leaders.html

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Originally Posted by mathbzh

And what about the 4 Lakers in 1998?

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LOL it's silly that spursfans are bringing up allstar selections that happened years ago, but refuse to see the evidence this current year.

:downspin:

Yes, Duncan is an allstar this season and deserves it. Let's pat ourserves in the back and sing. Carry on... :rolleyes

Wait.

Tim is playing like an All-Star in the minutes he's playing. So while his overall averages might not look that impressive, he's being very productive in the minutes he gets every game, especially when the offense is not running through him. He could still average 20 points if it was all about Tim and not the team. And if you definition of "All Star" is flash like Griffin, then Tim doesn't belong there and never did. Same with Ginobili and Parker, regardless of the fact that we are the most successful team in the NBA this year.

That said, its no big deal if Tim doesn't make it (even though he will) because Pop won't play Duncan more than 5 minutes (like last year when Duncan volunteered to sit on the bench and let the young players play) in the All Star game. So Tim will probably make it there to continue to bolster his legacy, but he won't play many minutes, guaranteed.

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Originally Posted by cd98

Wait.

Tim is playing like an All-Star in the minutes he's playing. So while his overall averages might not look that impressive, he's being very productive in the minutes he gets every game, especially when the offense is not running through him. He could still average 20 points if it was all about Tim and not the team. And if you definition of "All Star" is flash like Griffin, then Tim doesn't belong there and never did. Same with Ginobili and Parker, regardless of the fact that we are the most successful team in the NBA this year.

That said, its no big deal if Tim doesn't make it (even though he will) because Pop won't play Duncan more than 5 minutes (like last year when Duncan volunteered to sit on the bench and let the young players play) in the All Star game. So Tim will probably make it there to continue to bolster his legacy, but he won't play many minutes, guaranteed.

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lol that's what i'm saying..

it's not like i'm upset if he makes it or not.. i just don't believe it holds as much merit nowadays like it did in the past due to the inclusion of the fans having the popular vote of the starters..

i mean come on.. YAO MING? T-MAC?

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Originally Posted by jimo2305

not saying he deserves it over griffin.. but then again.. does being a dunker = an allstar player?

this is part of what i mean when i say the ASG spot isn't about how well you play but it's more so a popularity contest..
'ooh that guy can do a 360 between the legs.. let's vote him in'

the video was meant to show that duncan isn't as washed up as many of y'all make him out to be.. he's still averaging a near double double.. he's just playing a role this season.. im sure if we force fed the ball thru him more than we're doing thru parker / manu, his numbers would go up..

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No one said Duncan is washed up. However, do you think his current style of play is suited for an ASG over Griffin? Can you find any other plays besides 1 mediocre dunk kinda over Stevenson?

Tim is still great, but not something I want to see in an ASG. Plus, I think he'd rather not deL with ASG anyway. Why do you want him there?

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Originally Posted by vy65

No one said Duncan is washed up. However, do you think his current style of play is suited for an ASG over Griffin? Can you find any other plays besides 1 mediocre dunk kinda over Stevenson?

Tim is still great, but not something I want to see in an ASG. Plus, I think he'd rather not deL with ASG anyway. Why do you want him there?

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omg.. im not saying i want him to be a starter.. i just don't agree with how allstars are decided nowadays.. i could care less if he plays or not because the ASG isn't as important nowadays because of that very reason.. and yes people have said duncan's washed up and declined all over spurstalk.. that dunk proved them wrong.. don't act like i'm trying to say duncan's flashy..

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Originally Posted by Ace

Aldridge, Love, Dirk, Griffin and even Randolph.

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Love, Griffin, and Randolph won't be in the playoffs. If they aren't good enough to get their team into the 8th seed, then they aren't all stars. And no excuses. The T'wolves, Grizzlies, and Clippers are full of lotter pick players. So while they may get tons of shots and average 20 points a game, they are not all stars, not in the sense of making their teams competitive.

And Dirk, while he is an all-star, has to lose some votes based on his injuries and his overall reputation as a choker. Duncan, given his career, should get extra consideration, just like Bird, Magic, Jordan, and the rest of the superstars got at the end of their careers.

Duncan's PER is still borderline all star level (21.74) and he is 3rd in league as center (how Hollinger has consistently put him). Only 10 players in the West are outplaying him right now by this one way to look at value and no centers (Nene is the closest followed by Bynum)

Moreover it is not all about stats and his value to winning basketball is off the charts. That being said, honesty one could make a case against him and for 3-4 other players out West but he will most likely get the nod.

It will be kind of sad though if either Love with a 30/30 and Griffin with his 47 point game last night get left out and I would not be surprised to see the NBA expand the teams to 14 or 15 players sometime in the future.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics

Assuming we maintain the same pace, one or two of the Spurs will probably be voted in by the coaches...probably Manu and maybe Tim.

But wouldn't it be something if none made it. I actually think it would be great. To be on a record pace and have no all-stars would even be a bigger credit to our TEAM.
Besides, I'd love to see TNT's Craig Sager ask Pop during the game, "How do you feel about none of your players making the all-star roster?" Pop's one word response, "Ecstatic!"

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Originally Posted by cheguevara

LOL it's silly that spursfans are bringing up allstar selections that happened years ago, but refuse to see the evidence this current year.

:downspin:

Yes, Duncan is an allstar this season and deserves it. Let's pat ourserves in the back and sing. Carry on... :rolleyes

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You are the one living in denial here. Check the history (event in recent years) coaches always look at the team record when they pick the All Stars

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Personally I don't really care if he is selected. He has done enough to be considered one of the Best ever. One selection will add nothing to his legacy

I think Griffin should be in instead of Duncan. His team isn't playing too bad as of right now. If they had played like this at the beginning of the year then they might actually make the playoffs. Duncan is like our 3rd option and he sometimes has single point games. Of course I'd love to see him in but Griffin is more deserving IMHO. Manu and Tony definitely deserve to be in it and if they don't get voted in then i'd be extremely pissed. Especially Manu..

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Originally Posted by Tp9gospursgo

Especially Manu..

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Manu is a lock

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Originally Posted by TD 21

Based on the how the standards for this have always been, Duncan is easily more deserving than Griffin and Love. Also, he's a center, while they're both power forwards. With the exception of Gasol, the West has no one else to play center, which only makes the decision easier.

Why is this even being debated? How many past their prime players have made it based more on reputation than anything? Yet the one time Duncan is about to make it, despite his stats not being All-Star caliber, now people have an issue. Even though, as I alluded to, he should easily make it on merit. But even if he shouldn't and it was more based on reputation, who cares? We're talking about one of the ten best players of all-time. He can't get afforded that respect even once, but punks like Garnett can get it year after year and no one says a damn thing? I don't get it.

Love has no chance. Griffin has a chance because his team is surging, but based on how the standards have always been, neither should make it. The last rookie to be selected by the coaches was Duncan in '98. Not even James was selected, but Griffin is going to be on a non playoff team? Hype is (almost) everything today, though, so I wouldn't be surprised if that's overlooked and he get's in.

How can the Spurs be denied three All-Stars, though? The Pistons had four in '06, when they had an insane start. Like Duncan, Ginobili and Parker are deserving based on merit, but even if it was debatable, this should a career achievement award of sorts for the Spurs. They've owned this season to this point, they've had one or both of them snubbed multiple times and it's time they finally get the respect they've deserved for years. Three All-Stars should be a given. Yet because of the West being loaded at the point and thin on the wings and bigs, there's a very real chance that Parker won't make it.

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POST OF THE YEAR. :clap :worthy: :flag:

I think Timmy will get voted in. Manu's not a lock. With him struggling lately for the last month that'll hurt his chances.

Manu will be in... but this will be Timmy's first year out.

I think theres room for both Duncan and Griffin in the ASG - give the minutes to Griffin though, I'd rather let him throw up 720 reverse alley oop jams and Timmy can sit, watch and enjoy it without having to ice his knees afterward

Tim will be selected by stern to replace the injured "shite"

fuck jon barry.

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Originally Posted by Ace

In the West there's plenty of PFs much more deserving than Duncan and since he wants to be labeled as a PF than he shouldn't be put in as center because it's the only he makes it.

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STFU man.... Respect Tim or get outta here.

duncan shouldnt get in but he probably win. manu is a lock since roy is crippled now.

Not that surprising......