NYTimes: Lack of Transmission Lines Is Restricting Wind Power

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Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy

Electric catapults. Really big ones.

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Transforming ones????

A new transmission line from west TX bringing wind power to SA area is going up along IH10. It appears to terminate at a substation on the other side of IH10 from Comfort.

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Originally Posted by Drachen

Transforming ones????

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We have the technology. They could be monster trucks until they transform and toss energy cubes into sub orbital flight.

I'm curious.

A question for you Anthropogenic Climate Change guys out there.

As we tap off ever increasing amounts of wind power, aren't you concerned about how we change the climate?

I feel dumber for just having read that last post by WC.

Anyway, there's been a lot of new power line infrascture on I10 west of SA in the past few years. I make that drive at least a couple of times a year and there's been obvious changes. I'm really surprised that power generation that is too high at times is a problem but thats probably just because I never thought about it. I'm sure some engineers can put their heads together and figure it out, though.

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Originally Posted by Wild Cobra

I'm curious.

A question for you Anthropogenic Climate Change guys out there.

As we tap off ever increasing amounts of wind power, aren't you concerned about how we change the climate?

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Why don't you share your thoughts on the matter?

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Originally Posted by Wild Cobra

I'm curious.

A question for you Anthropogenic Climate Change guys out there.

As we tap off ever increasing amounts of wind power, aren't you concerned about how we change the climate?

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not sure if serious....

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Originally Posted by Agloco

Why don't you share your thoughts on the matter?

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I'm your huckleberry

i'd say that the change would be as infintesimal as as anything else we do.

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Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy

I'm your huckleberry

i'd say that the change would be as infintesimal as as anything else we do.

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What do you base that on? Wishful thinking a la WC. Maybe if you wish it to go away all the US scientists will become wrong.

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Originally Posted by FuzzyLumpkins

What do you base that on? Wishful thinking a la WC. Maybe if you wish it to go away all the US scientists will become wrong.

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Got Damn you are a stupid motherfucker. I just said that wind farms weren't affecting global warming/cooling. Are you really wanting to argue that position?

Strap it on Mr. USAA Janitor. Bring your mop.

lol idiots who dont want alternative energy sources, but cry over the burning of traditional methods like fossil fuels...

i see nothing wrong with wind turbines installed in areas thats not populated or environmental protected, just like ur solar power stations thats setup in the middle of the desert....

if ur crying foul over where its been installed etc, u have no business doing in that area in the first place, and how many times a year or in ur lifetime would u be visiting/traveling into that area...


just like the idiots down here who dont want wind power turbines installed on the coastline cause of some lame protective endangered bird species, the same bunch of idiots who cry foul over the increase energy bills

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Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy

Got Damn you are a stupid motherfucker. I just said that wind farms weren't affecting global warming/cooling. Are you really wanting to argue that position?

Strap it on Mr. USAA Janitor. Bring your mop.

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There were two parts to your post. There was a statement about wind farms would have no effect and what else? And do scientists have articles about the climate impact of wind turbines? Critical thinking, CC.

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Originally Posted by FuzzyLumpkins

There were two parts to your post. There was a statement about wind farms would have no effect and what else? And do scientists have articles about the climate impact of wind turbines? Critical thinking, CC.

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I realize you have a lot of time to critically think about how clean the floors are at USAA while you are mopping them (assuming you REALLY have a job there) but please leave the heavy mental lifting to those that are capable of it.

BTW I noticed you ran away like a little bitch in the thread dedicated in you.

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Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy

I realize you have a lot of time to critically think about how clean the floors are at USAA while you are mopping them (assuming you REALLY have a job there) but please leave the heavy mental lifting to those that are capable of it.

BTW I noticed you ran away like a little bitch in the thread dedicated in you.

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Really, I'm flattered from your desire to know all things Fuzzy. I understand but I hope you understand. I tell you what, like I said I can get you some T-shirts and to help you be able to afford it, I'll give you $5 off. I think that is more than fair.

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Originally Posted by Agloco

Why don't you share your thoughts on the matter?

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Fair enough.

I wonder if there has been any theoretical assessments on how removing this energy from the atmosphere affects climate. The speed of the air circulating over grasslands, forests, etc. all have an effect. Especially with moisture and temperature changes. We are removing kinetic energy from nature, that affects our atmosphere. We are not changing these levels by around a watt or so per square meter as claimed for CO2, but by hundreds of watts or more per square meter where these wind mills are.

For Manny to just blow off such a question is rather short sighted in my view.

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Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy

Got Damn you are a stupid motherfucker. I just said that wind farms weren't affecting global warming/cooling. Are you really wanting to argue that position?

Strap it on Mr. USAA Janitor. Bring your mop.

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You shouldn't expect so much from him.

Science daily; Wind Farms Impacting Weather; Environmental Engineers Detect Turbines' Turbulence Effects:

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Based on computer modeling, researchers at Duke and Princeton universities found that wind mill-generated turbulence raised pre-dawn surface temperatures by about four degrees and resulted in drier soil conditions. Presumably, the surface warmth was largely the result of the mixed air preventing the settling of cold air at the surface, while the dryness reflected increased evaporation by the wind of soil moisture. This is not dissimilar to the more familiar experience of a windy night keeping temperatures from falling as low as might otherwise be expected and also drying out pavement made wet by an evening shower.

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Meteorology News; Could Windmills Alter the Weather?:

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But a team of researchers from the University of Maryland have found that large-scale use of wind turbines as a power source may have an impact on our environment directly opposite that which they purport to minimize: Climate change.

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The greater the array of wind turbines, the more energy is removed from the atmospheric flow and the slower the ambient wind will travel. Slowing wind speeds by 5 or 6 miles per hour – while it sounds negligible, could have significant impacts on the large-scale atmospheric flow and yield consequences we do not yet understand.

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Originally Posted by TDMVPDPOY

not sure if serious....

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I'm very serious. The velocity of air changes the absorption of land moisture. This can change the moisture content/rain patterns downwind, and surface heat, as latent heat values change.

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Originally Posted by MannyIsGod

I feel dumber for just having read that last post by WC.

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Did you have an epiphany, that you aren't as smart as you thought?

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Originally Posted by Wild Cobra

I'm very serious. The velocity of air changes the absorption of land moisture. This can change the moisture content/rain patterns downwind, and surface heat, as latent heat values change.

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:lmao

Some things will never change.

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Originally Posted by TDMVPDPOY

lol idiots who dont want alternative energy sources, but cry over the burning of traditional methods like fossil fuels...

i see nothing wrong with wind turbines installed in areas thats not populated or environmental protected, just like ur solar power stations thats setup in the middle of the desert....

if ur crying foul over where its been installed etc, u have no business doing in that area in the first place, and how many times a year or in ur lifetime would u be visiting/traveling into that area...


just like the idiots down here who dont want wind power turbines installed on the coastline cause of some lame protective endangered bird species, the same bunch of idiots who cry foul over the increase energy bills

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I don't think that this (at least this thread) is about people not wanting alt energy sources, only about the power lines to transmit the power.

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Originally Posted by MannyIsGod

:lmao

Some things will never change.

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You come to laugh, at a topic you should be aware of, but offer nothing to back it up with.

You're right. Some things never change.

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Originally Posted by Drachen

I don't think that this (at least this thread) is about people not wanting alt energy sources, only about the power lines to transmit the power.

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Or the lack of distributing power to where it can be used.

AC power has dramatic limitations on how far it can be transmitted. The best solution in my opinion would be to build another DC intertie, near wind mills and to large cities. Anyone with excess power can add -power to it, and anyone needed power can tap off of it. DC doesn't have the same RF propagation losses as AC. It only has resistive and static losses.

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Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy

I'm your huckleberry

i'd say that the change would be as infintesimal as as anything else we do.

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Perhaps not anything but most things ........:tu

I suspect that your BBQ did more to change the climate than hundreds of wind farms ever could.

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Originally Posted by Wild Cobra

Fair enough.

I wonder if there has been any theoretical assessments on how removing this energy from the atmosphere affects climate. The speed of the air circulating over grasslands, forests, etc. all have an effect. Especially with moisture and temperature changes. We are removing kinetic energy from nature, that affects our atmosphere. We are not changing these levels by around a watt or so per square meter as claimed for CO2, but by hundreds of watts or more per square meter where these wind mills are.

For Manny to just blow off such a question is rather short sighted in my view.

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To be fair you do have an extensive history of taking up untenable positions, especially as it pertains to science.

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Originally Posted by Wild Cobra

I'm very serious. The velocity of air changes the absorption of land moisture. This can change the moisture content/rain patterns downwind, and surface heat, as latent heat values change.

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Wind is caused by pressure gradients across the globe no? This is in turn due to unequal heating if memory serves. Could you give the less informed an idea of how many wind farms we would need to change those pressure gradients by even one part in a trilion?