NYTimes: Lack of Transmission Lines Is Restricting Wind Power

Atmospheric Chemistry and Physics: Potential climatic impacts and reliability of very large-scale wind farms

National Academy of Sciences: The influence of large-scale wind power on global climate

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Although the generation and dissipation of kinetic energy is a minor (≈0.3%) component of global energy fluxes, the winds mediate much larger energy fluxes by transporting heat and moisture. Therefore, alteration of kinetic energy fluxes can have much greater climatic effects than alteration of radiative fluxes by an equal magnitude.

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Although the change in global-mean surface air temperature is negligible, regional peak-seasonal responses exceed ±2°C.

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2C is almost 4F.

Nature dot com: Impacts of wind farms on land surface temperature

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Our results show a significant warming trend of up to 0.72 °C per decade, particularly at night-time, over wind farms relative to nearby non-wind-farm regions. We attribute this warming primarily to wind farms as its spatial pattern and magnitude couples very well with the geographic distribution of wind turbines.

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Not all of the kinetic energy is absorbed by the turbine necessaily. You claimed to understand turbulent flow but it is obvious that you do not. Again the input - input * eff = output was just you talking out of your ass.

At no point did I claim that KE was not dissipated. I just said that not all KE was absorbed by the machine. Again turbulent flow. You claim to understand this but you don't that much is obvious.

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Originally Posted by FuzzyLumpkins

Not all of the kinetic energy is absorbed by the turbine necessaily.

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No Shit Sherlock.

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Originally Posted by FuzzyLumpkins

You claimed to understand turbulent flow but it is obvious that you do not. Again the input - input * eff = output was just you talking out of your ass.

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No Shit Sherlock.

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Originally Posted by FuzzyLumpkins

At no point did I claim that KE was not dissipated.

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You didn't understand shit, now you are trying to recover.

LOL...

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Originally Posted by FuzzyLumpkins

I just said that not all KE was absorbed by the machine.

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I never suggested such a thing.

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Originally Posted by FuzzyLumpkins

Again turbulent flow. You claim to understand this but you don't that much is obvious.

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Excuses excuses... For your stupid assumptions.

Why don't you just go away... Troll...

Dissemble all you want. I am still waiting for you explanation on how you concluded that it was 'hundreds of watts.' My assumptions are based on this comment and your talking of efficiency and your windspeed chart.

So again please explain your model and formula for determining that the effect of a wind turbine would be hundreds of watts. I can quote your previous explanation if you are going to just lie about it like you lied about the solubility chart and ocean as soda stupidity.

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Dissemble all you want. I am still waiting for you explanation on how you concluded that it was 'hundreds of watts.' My assumptions are based on this comment and your talking of efficiency and your windspeed chart.

So again please explain your model and formula for determining that the effect of a wind turbine would be hundreds of watts. I can quote your previous explanation if you are going to just lie about it like you lied about the solubility chart and ocean as soda stupidity.

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I don't know how to dumb it down any more than I did already. Not my fault you are to stupid to understand.

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Originally Posted by Wild Cobra

I'll give you a hint. The hundreds or thousands of watts/square meter is the kinetic energy in the wind that is changed to electricity, friction, and heat loss. I never said it changes the radiative forcing by that much. It removes that much energy from the wind, which now have less energy to promote convection and exchanges of latent heat. Now convection and latent heat do change temperatures and radiative forcing. It also changes the dynamics of the air flow. If you cannot get past these simple truths of science, then bug off.

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The kinetic energy in airflow is close to 100 watts/square meter at 10 MPH. At 20 MPH, it is 800 watts/sq meter, 30 MPH it is 2,700 watts/square meter, etc. It is a cube function. Wind mills are as much as 40% efficient. They do not create this energy, they take it from the airflow.

Aren't you tired of owning yourself yet?

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You are losing it Fuzzy...

You asked me where I was getting hundreds of watts. I showed you. You still have this unhealthy compulsion to try to find fault in others, and it almost always backfires on you.

You really should stop owning yourself.

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How so?

Serious question. How am I deceiving?

If a windmill is generating from the wind, 300 watts/square meter, then it must remove more than 300 watts per square meter from the wind.

Am I right or wrong?

Or do you think it breaks the laws of thermodynamics?

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LOL...

Just because you don't know what I'm talking about...

You have a serious problem. For what ever reason, you have to find fault in others. For you, I think it is a tunnel vision type thing. You can only focus on a strand of something you think you have control of, and don't see anything else. You seriously own yourself that way, and think you are getting over on others. What idiotic arrogance.

Not my fault you didn't understand my words when I said we were taking hundreds of watts of kinetic energy per meter from nature. A smart person would have asked for clarification. I figured most people knew I would be speaking of wind direction because that was the topic at hand. Not my fault if you assumed downward forcing.

It's the bully mentality pathetic asses of this world who have to accuse without merit, like yourself, instead of ask. Any idea how pathetic it makes you look?

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An Alarm in the Offing on Climate Change

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/...ap-blog480.jpg

“Climate change is already affecting the American people,” declares the opening paragraph of the report, issued under the auspices of the Global Change Research Program, which coordinates federally sponsored climate research. “Certain types of weather events have become more frequent and/or intense, including heat waves, heavy downpours, and, in some regions, floods and droughts.


“Sea level is rising, oceans are becoming more acidic, and glaciers and Arctic sea ice are melting. These changes are part of the pattern of global climate change, which is primarily driven by human activity.”

http://green.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/...limate-change/

I figure BigCarbon/Kock Bros will get this report heavily lobotomized, esp stuff like "primarily driven by human activity."

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Texas now has a capacity of 11 GigaWatts of wind power. That is as much as 11 GW less energy to do the work that wind does for climate.

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If you say so Fuzzy.

I have a thought.

Why don't you tell me what you are assuming I am wrong about, so I can put your sorry ass in your place by proving you wrong.

Or...

Are you going to be as bad as Fuzzy and Chump?

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Do you by chance see your arrogant, assumptive stupidity?

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No.

You invoked fluid dynamics and have yet to demonstrate how the principles translate. I want to know how wind farms might perturb the atmospheric pressure gradients we see here on earth to a demonstrable degree....and how fluid dynamics aids us drawing that conclusion. I'm waiting with bated breath.

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Not at all. You are simply acting like Fuzzy. Attacking me instead of addressing the issue.

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No.

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I'm sorry you don't see it.

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You invoked fluid dynamics and have yet to demonstrate how the principles translate.

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I asked if you understood it.

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I want to know how wind farms might perturb the atmospheric pressure gradients we see here on earth to a demonstrable degree....and how fluid dynamics aids us drawing that conclusion. I'm waiting with bated breath.

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Then read the two links I supplied earlier.

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Despite Conservative Attacks, States Continue to Realize the Benefits of Renewable Energy Standards

Though Congress has failed to enact a nationwide standard, policymakers at the state level have enthusiastically filled the void, with 29 states and the District of Columbia adopting hard targets for renewable energy production and another eight states setting renewable energy goals. Standards place an obligation on electricity-supply companies to reach set targets, while renewable energy goals are voluntary for companies—although states might incentivize a utility for reaching a set goal.


Those mandates have brought a wide range of benefits, ranging from robust clean energy economies to lower carbon emissions and improved public health. Since the beginning of 2009, eight states—California, Colorado, Delaware, Hawaii, Kansas, Nevada, New Jersey, and New York—have increased their standards, while three states—Indiana, Oklahoma, and West Virginia—have established voluntary goals. Six other states—Colorado, Maine, New Mexico, North Carolina, Ohio, and Washington state—have beaten back attempts to repeal their standards. Most of the states with renewable energy standards on the books are meeting or are close to meeting their interim targets.

Two conservative organizations looking to repeal state renewable energy standard policies are the Heartland Institute and the American Legislative Exchange Council, or ALEC. These two organizations worked together to write model legislation—the Electricity Freedom Act—to roll back state standards. The policy, which ALEC’s board of directors adopted last October, argues that “a renewable energy mandate is essentially a tax on consumers of electricity that forces the use of renewable energy sources beyond what would be called for by real market forces and under conditions of real competition in generation resources.”

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/201...rgy-standards/

Fuck ALEC, Fuck Heartland, Fuck all VRWC.

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lol thinkprogress.

BTW, of the 14 states listed as examples of good clean energy stewardship in that bit of "analysis", 7 are R 7 are D.

Yet somehow, conservatives are fighting wind power except for when they're not. http://homerecording.com/bbs/images/...s/facepalm.gif


Texas says hi.

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lol thinkprogress.

BTW, of the 14 states listed as examples of good clean energy stewardship in that bit of "analysis", 7 are R 7 are D.

Yet somehow, conservatives are fighting wind power except for when they're not. http://homerecording.com/bbs/images/...s/facepalm.gif


Texas says hi.

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The headline is accurate for RED and BLUE states, since Repugs/VRWC/Kock-suckers/ALEC are fighting renewable energy EVERYWHERE. Your empty post shows why you post so little content. You're all bullshit.

Texas is about as pro-wind a state as there is. Not seeing the problem here.

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The headline is accurate for RED and BLUE states, since Repugs/VRWC/Kock-suckers/ALEC are fighting renewable energy EVERYWHERE. Your empty post shows why you post so little content. You're all bullshit.

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I absolutely destroyed your link. Thinkprogress makes Heritage seem like Nobel prize winners. tp is nothing more than faux news inverted. Idiot.

You need to look at the wind production in light of your precious red/blue meme. You'll understand why you're viewed as a no content bot.

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Texas is about as pro-wind a state as there is. Not seeing the problem here.

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Texas is conservative, therefore, they absolutely must be fighting against wind power! /tp

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I absolutely destroyed your link.

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in your wet dreams. TB :lol

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Texas is conservative, therefore, they absolutely must be fighting against wind power! /tp

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Texas is just putting up all those windmills because they're for global warming!

/boutons, after being tutored by wild cobra on fluid dynamics

http://www.texastribune.org/2012/09/...ng-tax-credit/

U.S. Gives a Late Reprieve to Wind Power Developers

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/10/bu...t-green10.html

All the REPUGS would allow is a lousy ONE YEAR EXTENSION, which is silly considering these are multi-year infrastructure projects. Of course, the Repugs absolutely refuse to even talk about all the $Bs of fiscal breaks for the oil, coal, gas

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in your wet dreams. TB :lol

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lol @ bot.

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...=1#post5665452

I destroyed it the exact same way in that thread too. You're too fucking cowardly to take a bitch slapping without running away like a little bitch.

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http://www.texastribune.org/2012/09/...ng-tax-credit/

U.S. Gives a Late Reprieve to Wind Power Developers

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/10/bu...t-green10.html

All the REPUGS would allow is a lousy ONE YEAR EXTENSION, which is silly considering these are multi-year infrastructure projects. Of course, the Repugs absolutely refuse to even talk about all the $Bs of fiscal breaks for the oil, coal, gas

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So republicans aren't fighting renewable energy everywhere. Glad we've got that settled.

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So republicans aren't fighting renewable energy everywhere. Glad we've got that settled.

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Can't you read? Of course they are!!!!!111

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lol @ bot.

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...=1#post5665452

I destroyed it the exact same way in that thread too. You're too fucking cowardly to take a bitch slapping without running away like a little bitch.

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muthafuckin' crickets.

As I remember it it was democrats fighting wind power in Chesapeake Bay. That state is so blue it is purple.