The Art of War - Egyptian Uprising

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Originally Posted by MannyIsGod

The same autocrats endlessly supported by our government?

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When choosing between two evils you pick the one that best serves your own purposes.

See Iran: Shah or Mad Mullahs? We picked Shah because, well, we've seen the evil wrought by the Ayatollahs over the past 30 years.

Same story in Egypt. Mubarek or Muslim Brotherhood?

And on and on and on.

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Originally Posted by MannyIsGod

The US loves their dictators because they keep shit "stable" and it doesn't care if it comes at the expense of other peoples freedoms and then the people in this country wonder why shit happens here directed by groups from that general area.

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Yeah, the Iranians are so much better off now.

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Originally Posted by MannIsGod

:sleep

They hate our freedoms
-George Bush future Mt Rushmore President

No, they hate us because they're NOT free and we have a hand in that.

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If you think the Muslim Brotherhood is going to be better for Egypt, you're an idiot.

Obama's foreign policy is doing the same thing to Egypt that Jimmy Carter's did to Iran.

Justify and rationalize however you want just don't be surprised when you get stung by the hornets from the nest you kicked.

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Originally Posted by Yonivore

If you think the Muslim Brotherhood is going to be better for Egypt, you're an idiot.

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This statement is all thats wrong with your mindset. Its not up to you to decide whats best for them. That is what you don't get. Let them fucking decide their own fate.

its not our business who is "better off." its all relative. they probably believe theyre better off than us. doesnt mean shit.

that said, we just want investment in the middle east and have our sticky little fingers controlling almost every economic entity out there - then we try to say we're doing it because of "freedom." that's why they hate us.

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Originally Posted by MannyIsGod

This statement is all thats wrong with your mindset. Its not up to you to decide whats best for them. That is what you don't get. Let them fucking decide their own fate.

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Except that their fate is liable to engulf ours.

Iran has been arming and facilitating our enemies since the Ayatollahs took over. The Muslim Brotherhood vows to destroy the West.

Yonivore is trying to say he was playing with matches in order to put out the fire that playing with matches started. Nice.

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Originally Posted by Yonivore

When choosing between two evils you pick the one that best serves your own purposes.

See Iran: Shah or Mad Mullahs? We picked Shah because, well, we've seen the evil wrought by the Ayatollahs over the past 30 years.

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Actually in the 50s the choice was the dictator in the Shah or a fledgling democracy. the US overthrew the democracy and went with the dictator. For some silly reason, the Iranians still remember that and hold it against the US.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_HyyDHyAwI6.../mossadegh.jpg

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Originally Posted by The Reckoning

its not our business who is "better off." its all relative. they probably believe theyre better off than us. doesnt mean shit.

that said, we just want investment in the middle east and have our sticky little fingers controlling almost every economic entity out there - then we try to say we're doing it because of "freedom." that's why they hate us.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

Actually in the 50s the choice was the dictator in the Shah or a fledgling democracy. the US overthrew the democracy and went with the dictator; for some silly reason, the Iranians still remember that and hold that against the US.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_HyyDHyAwI6.../mossadegh.jpg

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Ding Ding Ding.

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Originally Posted by MannyIsGod

Ding Ding Ding.

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That's what happens when you nationalize [steal] a foreign country's assets.

"We picked Shah because, well, we've seen the evil wrought by the Ayatollahs over the past 30 years."

You Fucking Lie

When the democratically elected Mossadegh talked about nationalizing UK/US oil so it benefited Iranian people, the CIA overthrew him and installed the Shah. There were no mad mullahs to choose against. It was all about predatory UK/US oilcos.

US/UK invading Iraq was just getting back in where Saddam had excluded. It was All About Oil, not about US/UK/WMD/M-E stabiltiy, security, yadda, yadda.

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Originally Posted by Yonivore

That's what happens when you nationalize [steal] a foreign country's assets.

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Hey genius, they just nationalized it again after deposing the ruthless dictator you supported.

Congratulations, your antidemocratic action bought the oil companies a couple of decades of access and an Islamic revolution. You must be so proud.

Yoni just doesn't like democracy.

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Originally Posted by yonivore

that's what happens when you nationalize [steal] a foreign companies assets.

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fyp

It obvious that the US/UK invasions, occupations, overthrows of Muslim countries for their oil CAUSED Muslim terrorism, for those of you ingorants and naives who ask "Why do they hate us?"

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Originally Posted by MannyIsGod

The Google response to all of this has been pretty amazing. Their Speak to Tweet service is awesome.

http://www.google.com/crisisresponse/egypt.html

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If I had the developing capabilities I would find a way to try and make each cell phone an ad hoc transmitter/reciever. That way if one guy wants to tweet from tahrir square and the internet and mobile networks are down, it will travel from cell phone to cell phone until it reaches a cell phone that has internet access then upload to the web. Of course people would have to download this app or software in order to be a part of the network as would the guy at the end who has internet service. I would assume it should be possible, but I dont know anything about it.

That would be a massive coding workaround. I suppose it would be easy on phones that have wifi capabilities but I can't imagine making it work on the actual cell network. Cell phones are by nature transceivers but what you're talking about (I assume - no actually cell phone knowledge) would require a whole different set of instructions than they run on currently (I don't think any phone's OS allows it to communicate to other phones along the same bands used to transmit cell phone data/voice - obviously wifi is a different story).

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Originally Posted by MannyIsGod

That would be a massive coding workaround. I suppose it would be easy on phones that have wifi capabilities but I can't imagine making it work on the actual cell network. Cell phones are by nature transceivers but what you're talking about (I assume - no actually cell phone knowledge) would require a whole different set of instructions than they run on currently (I don't think any phone's OS allows it to communicate to other phones along the same bands used to transmit cell phone data/voice - obviously wifi is a different story).

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I was thinking more along the lines of those with wifi, as I assume that if it doesn't have wifi access, that it would be unlikely to accept apps. It would most certainly be more helpful to access the cellular system and with open source mobile OSs, this is likely very easy (for a coder).

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/...barak_tank.jpg

I think it's about to pop.

Wesley Crusher has some pretty raw live video right now. They're about to set some dude on fire, I think.

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Originally Posted by Viva Las Espuelas

Wesley Crusher has some pretty raw live video right now. They're about to set some dude on fire, I think.

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Link?

On tv. I don't have a link. Maybe on their website. <shrugs>

i guess Barak had his fingers crossed

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Originally Posted by HighLowLobForBig-50

i guess Barak had his fingers crossed

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The man has the best diplomatic team ever assembled...

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Originally Posted by Yonivore

The man has the best diplomatic team ever assembled...

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by diplomatic team, you mean protesters right?
jk but fo real......

What is Obama supposed to do?