Is Internet Access A Human Right?

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Originally Posted by Tyson_Chandler

i know what it mean's but here it's frequently just used as a trolling tactic, along with your question asking game

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No, usually there is a straw man argument that is being called out.

And it's not my problem people like you are afraid to answer my questions. That's an answer in itself.

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Originally Posted by Yonivore

I think I have. The quality of health care, I believe, is directly related to the level of government involvement in that health care. Introducing government regulations, inefficiencies, fraud, and abuse into a system that has a direct impact on the health and well-being of my family, is something I oppose.

If you want to go to a government clinic. Fine. Don't make the entire health care system one big fucking government free clinic. I don't want it. Except for those in the military -- which are generally private doctors who enlist or are called to active duty as part of a reserve unit -- government medical care sucks.

Just look at the free clinic where your ex worked. It sucked.

No thanks.

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Ok. So you can't define what constitutes quality healthcare. Nice try at the cowardly dodge. Those skirts fit you well.

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Originally Posted by TeyshaBlue

Ok. So you can't define what constitutes quality healthcare. Nice try at the cowardly dodge. Those skirts fit you well.

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What, you can't look up the term "quality" in the dictionary? I'm not sure what you're asking anymore.

Do you want the definition of good quality or bad quality?

I've already stated I believe the quality of health care improves as the level of government involvement, in it, decreases.

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Originally Posted by Yonivore

What, you can't look up the term "quality" in the dictionary? I'm not sure what you're asking anymore.

Do you want the definition of good quality or bad quality?

I've already stated I believe the quality of health care improves as the level of government involvement, in it, decreases.

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Lol. When you make baseless, asinine statements about the quality of healthcare, its fairly germane to ask what you define as quality. I see now that you don't have even the foggiest notion of what is or is not an element of quality as regards heathcare. Good to finally get that of the way.

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Originally Posted by TeyshaBlue

Lol. When you make baseless, asinine statements about the quality of healthcare, its fairly germane to ask what you define as quality. I see now that you don't have even the foggiest notion of what is or is not an element of quality as regards heathcare. Good to finally get that of the way.

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Okay. Now what? We're back to asking you why you want the government to control all of health care when the free clinics and indigent care hospitals -- already controlled by the government -- do it so badly.

Or, did I get you wrong and you actually believe the poor and indigent are receiving good quality health care at the government supported free clinics and hospitals?

Which is it? This "quality" defined rabbit hole you've chased us down has kind of distracted from the central question.

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Originally Posted by Yonivore

Okay. Now what? We're back to asking you why you want the government to control all of health care when the free clinics and indigent care hospitals -- already controlled by the government -- do it so badly.

Or, did I get you wrong and you actually believe the poor and indigent are receiving good quality health care at the government supported free clinics and hospitals?

Which is it? This "quality" defined rabbit hole you've chased us down has kind of distracted from the central question.

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No, quality is central to the discussion....except you're not even remotely interested in a discussion. Most likely because you have no idea what you're talking about.

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Originally Posted by TeyshaBlue

No, quality is central to the discussion....except you're not even remotely interested in a discussion. Most likely because you have no idea what you're talking about.

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So, educate me. How does quality relate to the discussion?

"government to control all of health care when the free clinics and indigent care hospitals -- already controlled by the government -- do it so badly."

your out-of-your-ass anecdotes don't prove shit, nothing but directed reasoning, arriving at your foregone conclusion, unsubstantiated reasoning.

my anecdote: why do vets rate their health care with higher satisfaction than clients of for-profit insurers?

any "I know a vet who hates Tri-Care" doesn't prove shit, either.

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Originally Posted by Yonivore

So, educate me. How does quality relate to the discussion?

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You have zero interest in being educated in this area, otherwise you would do this yourself. But, since I can't help myself, Ill get you started:

1. Outcome.
2. Effectiveness

See if you can think of a few attributes on your own.

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Originally Posted by TeyshaBlue

You have zero interest in being educated in this area, otherwise you would do this yourself. But, since I can't help myself, Ill get you started:

1. Outcome.
2. Effectiveness

See if you can think of a few attributes on your own.

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You're right, I'm not interested.

But, the outcome and effectiveness of government-run health care is inferior to that of private health care providers. You add the quality attributes and, odds are, private providers can do it better. Which leads to the obvious question of why you want government fucking with it.

Your point?

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Originally Posted by Yonivore

You're right, I'm not interested.

But, the outcome and effectiveness of government-run health care is inferior to that of private health care providers. You add the quality attributes and, odds are, private providers can do it better. Which leads to the obvious question of why you want government fucking with it.

Your point?

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Those are only 2 attributes. And, you are talking out of your ass to boot.
Forget it, Yoni. Your ignorance is only surpassed by your lack of intellectual honesty.

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Originally Posted by TeyshaBlue

Those are only 2 attributes. And, you are talking out of your ass to boot.
Forget it, Yoni. Your ignorance is only surpassed by your lack of intellectual honesty.

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You're pissed because I won't discuss this topic on your terms. Forget defining quality, I can't even get you to make a distinction between the quality of care provided by government vs. private health care providers.

You came close when you whined about how bad the clinic was where your ex worked but, when you saw what I was driving at, you tried to drive me down the "quality" hole.

So, which is it? If money were no object, would you drive your child, suffering from an idiopathic arrythmia to the free clinic or to the Mayo Clinic?

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Originally Posted by Yonivore

You're right, I'm not interested.

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Good talk.

One time, I banned someone from SpursTalk and they sent me a hate-filled email how I had denied their civil rights, as well as their human rights.

So, I guess the answer to the original questions is... Yes. :lol

cedes to the reality principle. For purposes of this forum it would appear the matter is settled. Cheers to that. :toast

I haven't read the whole thread, but I don't think it is. I think there's alternative sources for information/communication.

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Originally Posted by Kori Ellis

One time, I banned someone from SpursTalk and they sent me a hate-filled email how I had denied their civil rights, as well as their human rights.

So, I guess the answer to the original questions is... Yes. :lol

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Thanks for letting me back on btw.

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Originally Posted by ElNono

I haven't read the whole thread, but I don't think it is. I think there's alternative sources for information/communication.

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Facetious. I should have blued. :toast

(I just meant, Kori is the big wheel around here, so that settles it for this forum, so to speak.)

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Originally Posted by TeyshaBlue

Newsflash. My insurance aint exactly affordable anymore. Careful how you toss that term around.

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I was talking about once Obamacare kicks in. not now.

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Originally Posted by Yonivore

You do, of course, realize that insurance isn't actual medical care, right?

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I am talking about insurance.
If you are poor and
when you get a stomach pain, if you have insurance you go to the doctor. If you don't have insurance you live with it.

If you have a knee or shoulder pain, you go get treated if you have insurance, if you don't have insurance you live with it.

that's what I'm talking about.

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Originally Posted by Yonivore

You're pissed because I won't discuss this topic on your terms. Forget defining quality, I can't even get you to make a distinction between the quality of care provided by government vs. private health care providers.You came close when you whined about how bad the clinic was where your ex worked but, when you saw what I was driving at, you tried to drive me down the "quality" hole.

So, which is it? If money were no object, would you drive your child, suffering from an idiopathic arrythmia to the free clinic or to the Mayo Clinic?

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Isn't your argument that people (without health insurance) get good healthcare now because of the govt?

I didn't read this thread, just skipped to the last page.......wasn't this supposed to be about internet access?

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

Thanks for letting me back on btw.

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:lmao