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Re: So, Where Are The Repugs' Legislative Stuff for the Economy
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Yonivore
Pretty much, yeah. Especially since the entire criticism hinged on the meaning of the word "fixed" and that both Blair and Bush denied they had settled on any action at that early date. It doesn't help that Hussein's atrocities and insults were ongoing and stretched back over a decade since he agreed to place nice.
Guess you should have pushed harder for an official inquiry instead of letting the press do the grunt work.
Lost amidst your dismissive certitudes was your proof. Prove to me that this isn't a giant horseshit-bomb of a response.
The only reason there was no actionable inquiry was that it was delivered stillborn by the Republican majority that deemed an investigation unworthy of official inquiry because they were coming up on mid-terms. (And spare me the defensive suspicion of being biased on partisan lines simply because I believe the Republicans disgraced themselves during W's administration. Half these modern Republicans aren't worth a tick on Barry Goldwater's nuts.)
As for the coda about Hussein's atrocities is immaterial given we didn't make war with far greater (and more dangerous to American interests) despots.
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Re: So, Where Are The Repugs' Legislative Stuff for the Economy
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Yonivore
Why? If it is a legitimate war, which I believe it is, it would be unreasonable to expect a military engagement without casualties.
I think it's obvious you view the sacrifices of the killed and injured with less value than do I.
lol legitimate
And fuck you, yoni. We were right about Iraq and you were wrong. Our way would have spared the lives of thousands of young Americans and countless Iraqis we liberated from their existence.
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Re: So, Where Are The Repugs' Legislative Stuff for the Economy
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Originally Posted by
admiralsnackbar
Lost amidst your dismissive certitudes was your proof. Prove to me that this isn't a giant horseshit-bomb of a response.
The only reason there was no actionable inquiry was that it was delivered stillborn by the Republican majority that deemed an investigation unworthy of official inquiry because they were coming up on mid-terms. (And spare me the defensive suspicion of being biased on partisan lines simply because I believe the Republicans disgraced themselves during W's administration. Half these modern Republicans aren't worth a tick on Barry Goldwater's nuts.)
Democrats controlled both houses of Congress, during the Bush administration, for a sufficient period of time to investigate and/or defund the wars in Iraq and/or Afghanistan. They did neither.
That's my proof.
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admiralsnackbar
As for the coda about Hussein's atrocities is immaterial given we didn't make war with far greater (and more dangerous to American interests) despots.
I don't recall Congress passing an Authorization for the Use of Military Force for any other trouble spot. Did I miss it?
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Re: So, Where Are The Repugs' Legislative Stuff for the Economy
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Originally Posted by
Yonivore
Democrats controlled both houses of Congress, during the Bush administration, for a sufficient period of time to investigate and/or defund the wars in Iraq and/or Afghanistan. They did neither.
That's my proof.
Hiding behind the cowardice of the opposition party isn't proof.
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Originally Posted by
Yonivore
I don't recall Congress passing an Authorization for the Use of Military Force for any other trouble spot. Did I miss it?
More smoke. Isn't the whole point of our contention the circumstances under which this authorization was passed?
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Re: So, Where Are The Repugs' Legislative Stuff for the Economy
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Originally Posted by
admiralsnackbar
Hiding behind the cowardice of the opposition party isn't proof.
It proves neither political party, representing the vast majority of Americans, believed as you do.
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Originally Posted by
admiralsnackbar
More smoke. Isn't the whole point of our contention the circumstances under which this authorization was passed?
And, I've said, all the opposition has done since they voted FOR the AUMF is complain, instead of actually trying to get to the truth. If the Democrats truly thought they were misled into passing the AUMFs for Iraq or Afghanistan, they've had plenty of opportunity to air it out on Capitol Hill.
They also could have simply defunded the action.
They did neither. Why? I believe it's because they knew their rhetoric was just bluster intended to damage George W. Bush politically.
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Re: So, Where Are The Repugs' Legislative Stuff for the Economy
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Originally Posted by
Yonivore
It proves neither political party, representing the vast majority of Americans, believed as you do.
And, I've said, all the opposition has done since they voted FOR the AUMF is complain, instead of actually trying to get to the truth. If the Democrats truly thought they were misled into passing the AUMFs for Iraq or Afghanistan, they've had plenty of opportunity to air it out on Capitol Hill.
They also could have simply defunded the action.
They did neither. Why? I believe it's because they knew their rhetoric was just bluster intended to damage George W. Bush politically.
Or the thought of defunding a war midstream was dangerous and impractical...
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Re: So, Where Are The Repugs' Legislative Stuff for the Economy
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George Gervin's Afro
Or the thought of defunding a war midstream was dangerous and impractical...
Undermining the war effort with rhetoric was much more practical and safe.
What's Obama's excuse? He's had two years to stop this unnecessary war.
Reality has a way of sobering even the most idiotic liberal.
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Re: So, Where Are The Repugs' Legislative Stuff for the Economy
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Wild Cobra
Worked from 00 to 08.
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Re: So, Where Are The Repugs' Legislative Stuff for the Economy
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Originally Posted by
Yonivore
It proves neither political party, representing the vast majority of Americans, believed as you do.
Or that any effort to defund the war would be viewed as an attack on our soldiers, not the war. Ergo: political suicide.
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And, I've said, all the opposition has done since they voted FOR the AUMF is complain, instead of actually trying to get to the truth. If the Democrats truly thought they were misled into passing the AUMFs for Iraq or Afghanistan, they've had plenty of opportunity to air it out on Capitol Hill.
They also could have simply defunded the action.
They did neither. Why? I believe it's because they knew their rhetoric was just bluster intended to damage George W. Bush politically.
Or maybe because enough Dems were unwilling to expose themselves as the dunder-headed un-thinking politicians they were during the period. Instead of governing, most were content to be governed by the fear of the people. I know you love the partisan bullshit, but it gets nowhere.
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Re: So, Where Are The Repugs' Legislative Stuff for the Economy
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Originally Posted by
Yonivore
Undermining the war effort with rhetoric was much more practical and safe.
What's Obama's excuse? He's had two years to stop this unnecessary war.
Reality has a way of sobering even the most idiotic liberal.
The reality is we broke it, so we continue to pay for it.
It was a mistake, and now we have to pay to fix it.
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Re: So, Where Are The Repugs' Legislative Stuff for the Economy
"He's had two years to stop this unnecessary war."
The MIC prolongs/expands the wars to the MICs advantage, taxpayers pick up the tab and the debt.
The MIC is too powerful (own too many Congress members) to be denied.
Has NOTHING to do with anything the WH, any occupant, wants to do.
The MIC rules, not the elected civilians.
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Re: So, Where Are The Repugs' Legislative Stuff for the Economy
The war-loving, war-sustaining MIC in its full gluttonous glory:
The US military paid 285 billion dollars over three years to hundreds of military contractors that defrauded the Pentagon over the same stretch of time, a US senator charged Wednesday.
Brandishing a 45-page January 2011 US Department of Defense report on the issue, Independent Senator Bernie Sanders called for "far more vigorous enforcement" by the US military "to protect taxpayers from massive fraud."
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/02/s...ns-fraudsters/
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The military brass itself is in full collusion, to be repaid by the MIC with jobs after their military career.
Ain't no way Barry or anybody can turn the spigots of taxpayer $$$ flowing to the MIC.
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Re: So, Where Are The Repugs' Legislative Stuff for the Economy
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Originally Posted by
admiralsnackbar
Or that any effort to defund the war would be viewed as an attack on our soldiers, not the war. Ergo: political suicide.
Translated: Democrats are unprincipled cowards. [Hint: They could have given the executive ample warning before defunding and then, Grasshopper, the onus would have been on the President, who had been duly warned.] The fact remains, No one in Washington believed the war was illegitimate or unwarranted. They just wanted you think they did. Pretty successful, if you ask me.
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admiralsnackbar
Or maybe because enough Dems were unwilling to expose themselves as the dunder-headed un-thinking politicians they were during the period. Instead of governing, most were content to be governed by the fear of the people. I know you love the partisan bullshit, but it gets nowhere.
Translated: Democrats are unprincipled cowards. Thank God we've pushed them out of power in the House. Now, if we can just take back the Senate and White House.
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Re: So, Where Are The Repugs' Legislative Stuff for the Economy
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Yonivore
Translated: Democrats are unprincipled cowards. [Hint: They could have given the executive ample warning before defunding and then, Grasshopper, the onus would have been on the President, who had been duly warned.] The fact remains, No one in Washington believed the war was illegitimate or unwarranted. They just wanted you think they did. Pretty successful, if you ask me.
Translated: Democrats are unprincipled cowards. Thank God we've pushed them out of power in the House. Now, if we can just take back the Senate and White House.
Sure, Democrats are unprincipled cowards.
Republicans are unprincipled warmongers.
What else is new?
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Re: So, Where Are The Repugs' Legislative Stuff for the Economy
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boutons_deux
Where are the proposals for jobs and the economy?
We don't need more government jobs. We have too many already. Government needs to step out of the way of entrepreneurs, and let them create jobs.
Don't you libtards get that?
We also need more tax payers. Not more taxes.
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Re: So, Where Are The Repugs' Legislative Stuff for the Economy
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Wild Cobra
We don't need more government jobs. We have too many already. Government needs to step out of the way of entrepreneurs, and let them create jobs.
Don't you libtards get that?
We also need more tax payers. Not more taxes.
So what's their plan?
So far it's add to the deficit by repealing health care reform.
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Re: So, Where Are The Repugs' Legislative Stuff for the Economy
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Originally Posted by
Wild Cobra
We don't need more government jobs. We have too many already. Government needs to step out of the way of entrepreneurs, and let them create jobs.
Don't you libtards get that?
We also need more tax payers. Not more taxes.
non-federal govts are laying off employees by the 1000s, fireman, police, school teachers, maintenance workers, etc, etc.
So what's the Repug plan for creating more tax payers?
Why not kill Earned Income Tax Credit? that creates more tax payers, right?
We know the big corps creating more jobs overseas in 2010 than they did in USA. What's the Repug plan to induce them to create more jobs in the USA?
How about blocking abortion for rape? and other Repug hot buttons. That'll do the job creation magic, more babies on underfunded welfare, and more babies is more taxpayers, if they can find jobs.
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Re: So, Where Are The Repugs' Legislative Stuff for the Economy
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Originally Posted by
boutons_deux
non-federal govts are laying off employees by the 1000s, fireman, police, school teachers, maintenance workers, etc, etc.
So what's the Repug plan for creating more tax payers?
Why not kill Earned Income Tax Credit? that creates more tax payers, right?
We know the big corps creating more jobs overseas in 2010 than they did in USA. What's the Repug plan to induce them to create more jobs in the USA?
How about blocking abortion for rape? and other Repug hot buttons. That'll do the job creation magic, more babies on underfunded welfare, and more babies is more taxpayers, if they can find jobs.
So you have no plan either.
Well, it's actually this simple, but there are no immediate effects. It took 40 years or so of liberal policies to harm our nation to this point. It will be some time for us to dig out.
Stop subsidizing people not to work. Not immediately, but make it know the programs are going away except for tightly controlled special instances. Stop penalizing the tax and wage producers. Make it next to impossible for illegal aliens to find work. Restore migrant labor laws so the seasonal jobs can be done, but stop the permanent jobs from getting illegal labor. Remind the public of personal responsibility, and instill such things in our schools rather than ways of muching off the government like they do today.
I can go an and on, why we are a nation failing. Problem is, libtards just will not understand.
