Bill O'Reilly gives his "premium" members an insightful treat!

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Originally Posted by George Gervin's Afro

funny that you are calling someone a hypocrite

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Tell us why the little guy is your head is making you giggle so much this time.

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Originally Posted by George Gervin's Afro

funny that you are calling someone a hypocrite

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Originally Posted by George Gervin's Afro

I don't know, I'm retarded

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I don't see the point of this thread. O'Reilly is just saying there is something out there bigger than all of us, that there must be a God.

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Originally Posted by jack sommerset

I don't see the point of this thread. O'Reilly is just saying there is something out there bigger than all of us, that there must be a God.

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And, that must be mocked.

All honest wise, intellectuals reject religion. This is because religion is a falsehood and controls man's mind. We should all hold Truth as an irrefutable ideal, and therefore, to control fellow man with childish lies is reprehensible.

However. Myself, on the one hand, I wish to see all religion eradicated from earth. It is a mental disease and inhibits edification.

On the other hand, we cannot have a world WITHOUT something to replace religion. You can't depend on parents to educate their children correctly. Some will do a good job, others won't. This is where religion helps humanity. It teaches people to be compassionate towards each other, even though people do it out of fear of going to hell, or fear of getting a lump of coal for christmas. They don't really understand the logic and principles of higher ideals and philosophy, for that only comes with years of education, personal growth, understanding, and wisdom.

So as long as you get the people to treat each other well, then I guess religion serves it's purpose. It's a lot easier than waiting on people to become wise and educated, and it's a lot easier than gambling that millions of parents will teach and raise their children correctly.

bush talks to god. ask him.

lmao

"How'd it get there? HuuuuuuuuuuH? Can you explain THAT??? No?"

"I can. The Bible states..."

:rollin

also, nobody here has posted Einstein's personal letters about religion. This is what he REALLY thinks, as these letters were never meant to be public. Einstein would not want to offend people, so he kept it rather private.

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Einstein penned the letter on January 3 1954 to the philosopher Eric Gutkind who had sent him a copy of his book Choose Life: The Biblical Call to Revolt. The letter went on public sale a year later and has remained in private hands ever since.

In the letter, he states: "The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this."

Einstein, who was Jewish and who declined an offer to be the state of Israel's second president, also rejected the idea that the Jews are God's favoured people.

"For me the Jewish religion like all others is an incarnation of the most childish superstitions. And the Jewish people to whom I gladly belong and with whose mentality I have a deep affinity have no different quality for me than all other people. As far as my experience goes, they are no better than other human groups, although they are protected from the worst cancers by a lack of power. Otherwise I cannot see anything 'chosen' about them."


http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/20...ience.religion

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Originally Posted by MiamiHeat

also, nobody here has posted Einstein's personal letters about religion. This is what he REALLY thinks, as these letters were never meant to be public. Einstein would not want to offend people, so he kept it rather private.

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Einstein penned the letter on January 3 1954 to the philosopher Eric Gutkind who had sent him a copy of his book Choose Life: The Biblical Call to Revolt. The letter went on public sale a year later and has remained in private hands ever since.

In the letter, he states: "The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this."

Einstein, who was Jewish and who declined an offer to be the state of Israel's second president, also rejected the idea that the Jews are God's favoured people.

"For me the Jewish religion like all others is an incarnation of the most childish superstitions. And the Jewish people to whom I gladly belong and with whose mentality I have a deep affinity have no different quality for me than all other people. As far as my experience goes, they are no better than other human groups, although they are protected from the worst cancers by a lack of power. Otherwise I cannot see anything 'chosen' about them."


http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/20...ience.religion

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from http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...607298,00.html

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Originally Posted by Einstein

"I'm not an atheist. I don't think I can call myself a pantheist. The problem involved is too vast for our limited minds. We are in the position of a little child entering a huge library filled with books in many languages. The child knows someone must have written those books. It does not know how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. The child dimly suspects a mysterious order in the arrangement of the books but doesn't know what it is. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of even the most intelligent human being toward God. We see the universe marvelously arranged and obeying certain laws but only dimly understand these laws."

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"I'm not an atheist. I don't think I can call myself a pantheist. The problem involved is too vast for our limited minds. We are in the position of a little child entering a huge library filled with books in many languages. The child knows someone must have written those books. It does not know how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. The child dimly suspects a mysterious order in the arrangement of the books but doesn't know what it is. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of even the most intelligent human being toward God. We see the universe marvelously arranged and obeying certain laws but only dimly understand these laws."

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So, Einstein agrees with me. Nice.

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Originally Posted by Einstein

"There are people who say there is no God," he told a friend. "But what makes me really angry is that they quote me for support of such views."

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Originally Posted by Yonivore

So, Einstein agrees with me. Nice.

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yep, thats what he said to the masses. he knew how fragile you are.

MiamiHeat was just pwnd by a dead person. Awesome.

What? Yornivore you're a fool.

I posted 2 things

- a post about religion

- a post about Einstein's views on God and religion

Neither was making a case for atheism. Just made it clear that I don't believe in religion and neither did Einstein.

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Originally Posted by DarrinS

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Originally Posted by Einstein

"The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses,

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and by the way, Einstein is overrated.

He did not discover E=mc2, other scientists did before him. It was even in a scientific paper. The only thing Einstein did was grab pieces from different places and put it together to explain how some things worked. Not very genius like, imo. He didn't create the work, and he never did anything else ever again after because he was incapable of it.

So quoting this old dude in an effort to legitimize your own point of view is a logical fallacy and a waste of time.

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Originally Posted by MiamiHeat

and by the way, Einstein is overrated.

He did not discover E=mc2, other scientists did before him. It was even in a scientific paper. The only thing Einstein did was grab pieces from different places and put it together to explain how some things worked. Not very genius like, imo. He didn't create the work, and he never did anything else ever again after because he was incapable of it.

So quoting this old dude in an effort to legitimize your own point of view is a logical fallacy and a waste of time.

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And, yet, that's precisely what you did. It's not enough you were pwnd by a dead genius, you've graduated to pwning yourself.

Not bad.

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Originally Posted by Yonivore

And, yet, that's precisely what you did. It's not enough you were pwnd by a dead genius, you've graduated to pwning yourself.

Not bad.

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Only to add more facts to the discussion. I didn't bring it up.

You're a fool or a lowly troll. Give it up or you won't be taken seriously.

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Originally Posted by MiamiHeat

and by the way, Einstein is overrated.

He did not discover E=mc2, other scientists did before him. It was even in a scientific paper. The only thing Einstein did was grab pieces from different places and put it together to explain how some things worked. Not very genius like, imo. He didn't create the work, and he never did anything else ever again after because he was incapable of it.

So quoting this old dude in an effort to legitimize your own point of view is a logical fallacy and a waste of time.

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You mad?

mad about what?

You love to use Einstein, but it is already documented that he did not believe in a personal God or in a religion. He thought religion was childish.

Shouldn't that make you mad? You guys are too childish for my taste..... DarrinS and Yonivore don't have enough self-respect or intellectual honesty to participate in a civil discussion like this.

Waste of time

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Originally Posted by MiamiHeat

Only to add more facts to the discussion. I didn't bring it up.

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So, the "facts" you posted don't represent your view of Einstein's position?

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Originally Posted by MiamiHeat

You're a fool or a lowly troll. Give it up or you won't be taken seriously.

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Your advice will be given the consideration it deserves.

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Originally Posted by MiamiHeat

mad about what?

You love to use Einstein, but it is already documented that he did not believe in a personal God or in a religion. He thought religion was childish.

Shouldn't that make you mad? You guys are too childish for my taste..... DarrinS and Yonivore don't have enough self-respect or intellectual honesty to participate in a civil discussion like this.

Waste of time

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I don't believe in a personal God or organized religion either. That doesn't mean I don't believe in God.

Seems to me that Einstein believed in intelligent design.

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Originally Posted by Yonivore

So, the "facts" you posted don't represent your view of Einstein's position?

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I'm an atheist. Einstein was not.

You guys are using Einstein quotes and didn't post a very relevant one.

and now, after trolling me very hard, and making me defend myself, you continue to insult me. You're a spineless poster. You should be ashamed of yourself, really.

be gone, pest.

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Originally Posted by DarrinS

I don't believe in a personal God or organized religion either. That doesn't mean I don't believe in God.

Seems to me that Einstein believed in intelligent design.

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Sounds like he believes that a creator was out there somewhere, but had no association with human religions.

Still doesn't legitimize ID, since it has no basis in fact or evidence. It's just a belief. That doesn't classify.... or else anyone, from mental patients to PhDs could throw their 2 cents. The mental patients belief would be just as valid as the PhD's.

So using quotes as a way to validate your belief in ID, is merely a logical fallacy.... trying to gather "popular opinion".... be honest with yourself on that. You are wasting everyone's time by doing that.

Until anyone can submit ID to a legitimate scientific review of evidence and facts, it's just a personal faith so just keep it to yourself.