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Originally Posted by Proxy

It is rejection.... it is the opposite of belief.

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Of course it is belief. Isn't belief in God a rejection of atheism?

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Originally Posted by Yonivore

Everything has a genesis.

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What was the genesis of God, then?

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Originally Posted by DarrinS

Of course it is belief. Isn't belief in God a rejection of atheism?

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If someone plays baseball, and I don't..... then not playing baseball is a sport?

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Originally Posted by DarrinS

You've can't see the forest for the trees.


If you and I stumbled upon an unihabited Earth and walked upon the pyramids at Giza. You could explain to me, using physics and engineering principles, why the structure is sound, stable, etc. I would completely agree with you, but I would also add that it appears that something intelligent designed it -- that it wasn't just a collection of stones that came together randomly in that form.

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Watch this one minute video of Carl Sagan.... because this is what I would say in response to your 'statement.'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeVhkXW6BKY

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Originally Posted by Proxy

If someone plays baseball, and I don't..... then not playing baseball is a sport?

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Is atheism a belief system?

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Originally Posted by DarrinS

Is atheism a belief system?

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Can you not answer my question? Am I playing a sport when I decide to not play baseball?

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Originally Posted by Proxy

Can you not answer my question? Am I playing a sport when I decide to not play baseball?

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No but you are participating in a sport when you stand outside the stadium screaming, "There is no umpire, He doesn't exist."

If as an atheist, you stayed out of the religious conversation, you'd have a point.

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Originally Posted by Proxy

Can you not answer my question? Am I playing a sport when I decide to not play baseball?

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If you chose not to play, did you make a choice?

Believing that something doesn't exist is a belief.

Atheism is a belief, but it's not really a belief SYSTEM... Beyond not believing in a deity, there aren't really any guidelines on being an athiest. It's not the same as religion at all.

It's like saying not exercising IS a workout routine.

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Originally Posted by Yonivore

No but you are participating in a sport when you stand outside the stadium screaming, "There is no umpire, He doesn't exist."

If as an atheist, you stayed out of the religious conversation, you'd have a point.

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Don't put the religion on me, in politics, on my money, in my pledge, or in my science.... don't push me into the stadium.

And your Umpire analogy is stupid. I can see an umpire. He shows himself in front of everyone. I would never say he didn't exist. Last I heard, God hasn't shown his face in quite a while.

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Originally Posted by DarrinS

If you chose not to play, did you make a choice?

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So a choice makes a belief system

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Originally Posted by MiamiHeat

and by the way, Einstein is overrated.

He did not discover E=mc2, other scientists did before him. It was even in a scientific paper. The only thing Einstein did was grab pieces from different places and put it together to explain how some things worked. Not very genius like, imo. He didn't create the work, and he never did anything else ever again after because he was incapable of it.

So quoting this old dude in an effort to legitimize your own point of view is a logical fallacy and a waste of time.

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Einstein is in no way overrated. He gave birth to quantum mechanics with his Nobel-winning paper on the photoelectric effect. He definitely put the final touches on the proof of the existence of the atom with his paper on Brownian motion. His theory of special relativity gave physical significance to what was then just a mathematical hack (the Lorentz transformation). His theory of gravitation is still the best explanation we have for the motion of large bodies. He predicted a new and incredible state of matter at near absolute zero that would behave like one giant particle and thus show quantum effects at the macroscopic scale, and was vindicated in the prediction 70 years later when it was accomplished in the lab. To call Einstein overrated is tantamount to disregarding Newton because Leibniz knew of derivatives and limits, because Galileo put forth the first ideas on motion, because Archimedes was doing integration, etc. The list of people who have transformed human knowledge to the level Einstein has is pretty short: probably Euclid, Al-Khwarizmi, Galileo, Newton, Darwin, Faraday, Feynman, Chomsky, and Watson & Crick.

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Originally Posted by Proxy

Don't put the religion on me, in politics, on my money, in my pledge, or in my science.... don't push me into the stadium.

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I'm not pushing you anywhere and, so far as I know, you can ignore references to God if you're so offended; your money will spend the same.

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Originally Posted by Proxy

And your Umpire analogy is stupid. I can see an umpire. He shows himself in front of everyone. I would never say he didn't exist. Last I heard, God hasn't shown his face in quite a while.

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You can't see him from outside the stadium (religion); the analogy works.

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Originally Posted by Spurminator

Atheism is a belief, but it's not really a belief SYSTEM... Beyond not believing in a deity, there aren't really any guidelines on being an athiest. It's not the same as religion at all.

It's like saying not exercising IS a workout routine.

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Awesome analogy :tu :lol

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Originally Posted by Spurminator

It's like saying not exercising IS a workout routine.

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It is. Your routine is not to work out. Either working out or not working out will lead to a fitness level commensurate with the effort.

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Originally Posted by Yonivore

I'm not pushing you anywhere and, so far as I know, you can ignore references to God if you're so offended; your money will spend the same.


You can't see him from outside the stadium (religion); the analogy works.

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You're really stretching for this analogy.... it doesn't matter though. Whether you want to call Atheism a religion, a belief system, or a definition... it doesn't change the outcome of anything.

In the end, there is no evidence of god's existence. We can continue this conversation, but in the end, you will point to faith as a scapegoat against my proof.

I'm not offended.... if anything I feel pity. It's sad that people can't accept that when they die, there's no afterlife. It's sad that people can't accept their insignificance in relation to the size of the universe. It's sad that people need a selfish ambition in getting to heaven to motivate them to do the right thing.

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Originally Posted by Proxy

You're really stretching for this analogy.... it doesn't matter though. Whether you want to call Atheism a religion, a belief system, or a definition... it doesn't change the outcome of anything.

In the end, there is no evidence of god's existence. We can continue this conversation, but in the end, you will point to faith as a scapegoat against my proof.

I'm not offended.... if anything I feel pity. It's sad that people can't accept that when they die, there's no afterlife.

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All the atheist lawsuits just reek of pity. Save your pity, you're ruining the world. Just don't believe and sit back and be satisfied with yourself. What's wrong with that? Of what has others' belief in God deprived you?

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Originally Posted by Proxy

It's sad that people can't accept their insignificance in relation to the size of the universe.

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I'm not disillusioned about my insignificance; I'm in awe.

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Originally Posted by Proxy

It's sad that people need a selfish ambition in getting to heaven to motivate them to do the right thing.

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You obviously don't understand Christianity if you believe they believe in salvation through good works.

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Originally Posted by Proxy

I'm not offended.... if anything I feel pity. It's sad that people can't accept that when they die, there's no afterlife. It's sad that people can't accept their insignificance in relation to the size of the universe. It's sad that people need a selfish ambition in getting to heaven to motivate them to do the right thing.

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Why feel pity? You're the one who thinks (believes) that your life is meaningless.

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Originally Posted by Proxy

I'm not offended.... if anything I feel pity. It's sad that people can't accept that when they die, there's no afterlife. It's sad that people can't accept their insignificance in relation to the size of the universe. It's sad that people need a selfish ambition in getting to heaven to motivate them to do the right thing.

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You have no clue what happens to someone when they die.

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Originally Posted by Yonivore

So, back to the topic... genesis.

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Originally Posted by Yonivore

All the atheist lawsuits just reek of pity. Save your pity, you're ruining the world. Just don't believe and sit back and be satisfied with yourself. What's wrong with that? Of what has others' belief in God deprived you?


I'm not disillusioned about my insignificance; I'm in awe.


You obviously don't understand Christianity if you believe they believe in salvation through good works.

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hahahaha..... Atheist ruin the world?! That's the biggest load of bs I've ever heard. How much blood is on the hands of western based religions? How much blood has been spilt in the name of atheism?

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Originally Posted by DarrinS

Why feel pity? You're the one who thinks (believes) that your life is meaningless.

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No. I'm the one that's grateful for this life I've been given. To be a healthy advanced breed of monkey that can think beyond instinct on a tiny habitable planet, orbiting a minor star on the edge of the milky way.... that is bliss, knowing the odds, and coming out that lucky... and being happy with my life.

Far from meaningless. Far from thinking that there's an all knowing wizard that created this everything, and does terrible things to test our faith.

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Originally Posted by jack sommerset

You have no clue what happens to someone when they die.

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Remember the time before you were born?

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Originally Posted by Proxy

hahahaha..... Atheist ruin the world?! That's the biggest load of bs I've ever heard. How much blood is on the hands of western based religions? How much blood has been spilt in the name of atheism?

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It's because there are so few of you. You couldn't muster a gang, much less an army. That's why atheists rub two lawyers together to be noticed.