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02-07-2011
lazerelmo

Its cheaper to feed kids Fruit Loops than fruit.

What are You going to do to reverse that?

http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/...dent#vseek1850

Just one of many questions posed to the President in this circus. This one took the cake. Ironic that neither the man posing the problem nor the President realized that the solution came with the question when he threw away the box of fruit loops and chose to eat the fruit. No government intervention needed.

Thanks Michelle for getting Wal-mart to put those labels on products for us. :rolleyes
02-07-2011
boutons_deux

Re: Its cheaper to feed kids Fruit Loops than fruit.

In general, I really doubt the Fruitloop demographic would choose fresh fruit over a bowl of sugary, flavor- and color-enchanced, nutrient-void, chemically laden industrial, food-like substance wetted with milk-like white liquid.
02-07-2011
Blake

Re: Its cheaper to feed kids Fruit Loops than fruit.

Quote:

Originally Posted by lazerelmo

What are You going to do to reverse that?

http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/...dent#vseek1850

Just one of many questions posed to the President in this circus. This one took the cake. Ironic that neither the man posing the problem nor the President realized that the solution came with the question when he threw away the box of fruit loops and chose to eat the fruit. No government intervention needed.

Thanks Michelle for getting Wal-mart to put those labels on products for us. :rolleyes

how does the man posing the problem make fruit cheaper by throwing away the box of froot loops?
02-07-2011
Blake

Re: Its cheaper to feed kids Fruit Loops than fruit.

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Originally Posted by boutons_deux

In general, I really doubt the Fruitloop demographic would choose fresh fruit over a bowl of sugary, flavor- and color-enchanced, nutrient-void, chemically laden industrial, food-like substance wetted with milk-like white liquid.

froot loops are actually filled with nutrients.
02-07-2011
boutons_deux

Re: Its cheaper to feed kids Fruit Loops than fruit.

bullshit.

that shit doesn't rot

if it don't rot, don't eat it.

if man made it, don't eat it.
02-07-2011
Blake

Re: Its cheaper to feed kids Fruit Loops than fruit.

Quote:

Originally Posted by boutons_deux

bullshit.

that shit doesn't rot

if it don't rot, don't eat it.

if man made it, don't eat it.

I'm not arguing that it's absolutely good for you. Just saying that it is not void of nutrients.

Read the nutrition label.
02-07-2011
Winehole23

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froot =/= fruit
02-07-2011
baseline bum

Re: Its cheaper to feed kids Fruit Loops than fruit.

Quote:

Originally Posted by lazerelmo

What are You going to do to reverse that?

http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/...dent#vseek1850

Just one of many questions posed to the President in this circus. This one took the cake. Ironic that neither the man posing the problem nor the President realized that the solution came with the question when he threw away the box of fruit loops and chose to eat the fruit. No government intervention needed.

Thanks Michelle for getting Wal-mart to put those labels on products for us. :rolleyes

No government intervention needed to reverse it? Seems a strange position to take when government intervention through subsidies is the reason Froot Loops, McDonald's, and lots of other junk food packed with corn syrup is so cheap in this nation (when you ignore that initial tax that doesn't show up on your receipt).
02-07-2011
LnGrrrR

Re: Its cheaper to feed kids Fruit Loops than fruit.

Quote:

Originally Posted by lazerelmo

What are You going to do to reverse that?

http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/...dent#vseek1850

Just one of many questions posed to the President in this circus. This one took the cake. Ironic that neither the man posing the problem nor the President realized that the solution came with the question when he threw away the box of fruit loops and chose to eat the fruit. No government intervention needed.

Thanks Michelle for getting Wal-mart to put those labels on products for us. :rolleyes

Genetically engineer fruit to last much longer. That's about the only solution I see.

Seriously though, it isn't a great thing that the cheaper foods are also more unhealthy. They're empty calories, for the most part.
02-07-2011
lazerelmo

Re: Its cheaper to feed kids Fruit Loops than fruit.

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Originally Posted by baseline bum

No government intervention needed to reverse it? Seems a strange position to take when government intervention through subsidies is the reason Froot Loops, McDonald's, and lots of other junk food packed with corn syrup is so cheap in this nation (when you ignore that initial tax that doesn't show up on your receipt).

I'm sure government farm subsidies help fruit producers as well. There was a time when buying fruit at the grocery store was cheaper than buying processed foods but over the years that changed and I don't think it was government subsidies that changed things nor do I think it was in the hands of the grocery store to change things as the President suggest (if Walmart would just stop buying those dang fruit loops). Choices made by the consumer caused the shift and could cause it to shift back, but why would we do that? Why go back to buying carrots and turnips when you can get a whole serving of vegetables in a glass of V-8? Its called progress. Is it really a bad thing that fresh produce cost more than the box Fruit Loops?

Nope. IMO
02-07-2011
LnGrrrR

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Originally Posted by lazerelmo

Is it really a bad thing that fresh produce cost more than the box Fruit Loops?

Probably. It's most likely a factor in the nation's growing obesity (along with income inequality, video games, and a number of other reasons).
02-07-2011
baseline bum

Re: Its cheaper to feed kids Fruit Loops than fruit.

Quote:

Originally Posted by lazerelmo

I'm sure government farm subsidies help fruit producers as well. There was a time when buying fruit at the grocery store was cheaper than buying processed foods but over the years that changed and I don't think it was government subsidies that changed things nor do I think it was in the hands of the grocery store to change things as the President suggest (if Walmart would just stop buying those dang fruit loops). Choices made by the consumer caused the shift and could cause it to shift back, but why would we do that? Why go back to buying carrots and turnips when you can get a whole serving of vegetables in a glass of V-8? Its called progress. Is it really a bad thing that fresh produce cost more than the box Fruit Loops?

Nope. IMO

Choices are made by the consumer for all the junk food because it's cheap thanks to our massive subsidy of corn and soybeans. It's not progress seeing our nation turn into a bunch of fat fucks because our oligarchy sold its citizens health down the river. Your progress is one of the chief reasons health care is so ridiculously expensive here.
02-07-2011
coyotes_geek

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Originally Posted by baseline bum

Choices are made by the consumer for all the junk food because it's cheap thanks to our massive subsidy of corn and soybeans. It's not progress seeing our nation turn into a bunch of fat fucks because our oligarchy sold its citizens health down the river. Your progress is one of the chief reasons health care is so ridiculously expensive here.

:tu

Yep. If you really want to make healthcare more affordable in this country start taxing junk food the same way we tax cigarettes. You can even distribute the tax proceeds to all taxpayers via personal HSA accounts which they can then use for their medical expenses.
02-07-2011
Blake

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Originally Posted by coyotes_geek

:tu

Yep. If you really want to make healthcare more affordable in this country start taxing junk food the same way we tax cigarettes.

Determining what is and what isn't junk food can be real tricky.

I don't see it happening.
02-07-2011
boutons_deux

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"Genetically engineer fruit to last much longer"

no more Frankenfood. US food supply, every bit of it, is already tainted with GM stuff.

The reason BigFood sells dead food is that that it doesn't rot, has a long shelf life, and it's mostly dry, so lighter to ship.

Fresh fruit/veg is mostly water so it's more expensive to ship, needs shorter shipping times, and is perishable.

Just another case of BigFood corps doing what is best for their profits, while not giving a FF about consumer health.

And American sheeple are more like cows, they'll eat any damn shit BigFood puts on the shelves.
02-07-2011
Winehole23

Re: Its cheaper to feed kids Fruit Loops than fruit.

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Originally Posted by coyotes_geek

:tu

Yep. If you really want to make healthcare more affordable in this country start taxing junk food the same way we tax cigarettes. You can even distribute the tax proceeds to all taxpayers via personal HSA accounts which they can then use for their medical expenses.

People who eat badly should be taxed more for it. This is where you thinking dovetails with WC, btw.
02-07-2011
boutons_deux

Re: Its cheaper to feed kids Fruit Loops than fruit.

Big Win for Biotech: USDA Deregulates Monsanto Alfalfa

After nearly five years of legal and regulatory battles, the US Department of Agriculture (USDA) has fully deregulated Monsanto's Roundup Ready alfalfa that is genetically modified (GM) to be resistant to Roundup herbicide.

The decision squashed a proposed compromise between the biotech industry and its opponents that would have placed geographic restrictions on Roundup Ready alfalfa to prevent organic and traditional alfalfa from being contaminated by herbicide sprays and transgenes spread by cross-pollination and other factors.

Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack announced that Roundup Ready alfalfa would be fully deregulated on January 27, just one week after he testified before the House Committee on Agriculture, where committee members pressed Vilsack to fully deregulate Roundup Ready alfalfa and reject the proposal to geographically isolate it from traditional alfalfa.

http://www.truth-out.org/print/67373

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America is so fucked, and unfuckable.
02-07-2011
coyotes_geek

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Originally Posted by Blake

Determining what is and what isn't junk food can be real tricky.

Certainly there would be disagreements over the specifics of what exactly qualifies as junk food and what doesn't. But IMO that doesn't invalidate the concept.

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I don't see it happening.

I don't either. Americans would riot if their extra value meal got more expensive.
02-07-2011
LnGrrrR

Re: Its cheaper to feed kids Fruit Loops than fruit.

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Originally Posted by boutons_deux

"Genetically engineer fruit to last much longer"

no more Frankenfood. US food supply, every bit of it, is already tainted with GM stuff.

The reason BigFood sells dead food is that that it doesn't rot, has a long shelf life, and it's mostly dry, so lighter to ship.

Fresh fruit/veg is mostly water so it's more expensive to ship, needs shorter shipping times, and is perishable.

Just another case of BigFood corps doing what is best for their profits, while not giving a FF about consumer health.

And American sheeple are more like cows, they'll eat any damn shit BigFood puts on the shelves.

I'm just saying, if you want fruit to compete with things like a cereal, you're going to have to find a way to make them last much longer. The relatively short life of fruit/veggies is going to keep costs higher than items which have much longer shelf-lives.

The other reasons you mentioned as well. IOW, I have no idea on how to make fruit cost less/equal.
02-07-2011
baseline bum

Re: Its cheaper to feed kids Fruit Loops than fruit.

Quote:

Originally Posted by coyotes_geek

:tu

Yep. If you really want to make healthcare more affordable in this country start taxing junk food the same way we tax cigarettes. You can even distribute the tax proceeds to all taxpayers via personal HSA accounts which they can then use for their medical expenses.

It's a tough question to me. I hate seeing McDonald's able to advertise to kids and get them hooked on a lifetime of toxic junk food like fries and cokes by bribing them with toys and bombarding them with friendly cartoon characters and the like. I guess I agree with San Francisco's decision to kill the toys in Happy Meals, since a child can't realistically be expected to make decisions for his own good. Otherwise, why not let kids drink, why not let them smoke, why not let them drive, why not let them have sex with adults, and so on?

On the other hand, I hate the idea of a sin tax. That just opens the floodgates to people who want to screw me over if I want to buy a 6-pack of beer or an occasional bag of weed. I'd be happy if we just ended the subsidization and didn't give such a competitive advantage to processed junk food in our stores. If you don't have good money it's pretty easy to go to Wendy's or Taco Bell to feed your kids than to pay for non-subsidized produce and meats. We shouldn't be actively pushing people towards this garbage.
02-07-2011
Winehole23

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One would think bad health and an early death were bad enough.

Apparently, much akin to the notion of soaking the rich, those who are so unfortunate as to have suffered ill health according to their own choices, deserve to pay even more for the privilege.
02-07-2011
Blake

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Originally Posted by baseline bum

It's a tough question to me. I hate seeing McDonald's able to advertise to kids and get them hooked on a lifetime of toxic junk food like fries and cokes by bribing them with toys and bombarding them with friendly cartoon characters and the like. I guess I agree with San Francisco's decision to kill the toys in Happy Meals, since a child can't realistically be expected to make decisions for his own good. Otherwise, why not let kids drink, why not let them smoke, why not let them drive, why not let them have sex with adults, and so on?

lol gateway toys
02-07-2011
baseline bum

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Originally Posted by Blake

lol gateway toys

Can you expand on this?
02-07-2011
ohmwrecker

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Fruit and vegetables are cheap. People are just lazy. Plain and simple. My kid eats fruit and vegetables. We don't buy sugar cereal, soda pop, processed foods and he doesn't want any of it. If that means I have to make a few mini trips to the market in addition to the big grocery trip for fresh fruit, then I'll do it. If you don't care about your own health, that's on you, but people who can't help their kids make good, healthy choices make me sick.
02-07-2011
Winehole23

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Never mind that not all "junk" effects everyone the same, or that nutrition of whatever given quality is organically needful in a very basic sense.
02-07-2011
Winehole23

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http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-0...ood-costs.html
02-07-2011
coyotes_geek

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Winehole23

People who eat badly should be taxed more for it.

If we're going to accept the premise that we are all suffering from high medical costs and that something must be done about it, wouldn't it stand to reason to target a behavior that directly leads to increased medical costs? If anything, it's a "users fee".

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This is where you thinking dovetails with WC, btw.

Libtard! :p:

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Originally Posted by baseline bum

It's a tough question to me. I hate seeing McDonald's able to advertise to kids and get them hooked on a lifetime of toxic junk food like fries and cokes by bribing them with toys and bombarding them with friendly cartoon characters and the like. I guess I agree with San Francisco's decision to kill the toys in Happy Meals, since a child can't realistically be expected to make decisions for his own good. Otherwise, why not let kids drink, why not let them smoke, why not let them drive, why not let them have sex with adults, and so on?

On the other hand, I hate the idea of a sin tax. That just opens the floodgates to people who want to screw me over if I want to buy a 6-pack of beer or an occasional bag of weed. I'd be happy if we just ended the subsidization and didn't give such a competitive advantage to processed junk food in our stores. If you don't have good money it's pretty easy to go to Wendy's or Taco Bell to feed your kids than to pay for non-subsidized produce and meats. We shouldn't be actively pushing people towards this garbage.

I'm not a fan of sin taxes either. That being said, I don't think there's any arguement we would all benefit if we as a nation got healthier, both health-wise and financially. So, IMO at least, it would be worth it.
02-07-2011
ohmwrecker

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Who pays sales tax on weed?
02-07-2011
Winehole23

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Quote:

Originally Posted by coyotes_geek

If we're going to accept the premise that we are all suffering from high medical costs and that something must be done about it, wouldn't it stand to reason to target a behavior that directly leads to increased medical costs? If anything, it's a "users fee".

Insofar as the target of the the fee is a well-defined social miscreant it might go over well.
02-07-2011
Spurminator

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I don't really like the idea of taxing fast food, but if we did I'd want to make sure those funds went directly back to the people in the form of some kind of healthy lifestyle subsidy. Gym membership credits? Children's athletic leagues?
02-07-2011
Winehole23

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http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2...ndustry-burger
02-07-2011
Blake

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Quote:

Originally Posted by baseline bum

Can you expand on this?

Was just joking.

Kids jumping from mcdonald toys to cigarettes made me lol.
02-07-2011
LnGrrrR

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Originally Posted by ohmwrecker

Fruit and vegetables are cheap. People are just lazy. Plain and simple. My kid eats fruit and vegetables. We don't buy sugar cereal, soda pop, processed foods and he doesn't want any of it. If that means I have to make a few mini trips to the market in addition to the big grocery trip for fresh fruit, then I'll do it. If you don't care about your own health, that's on you, but people who can't help their kids make good, healthy choices make me sick.

Fruits and veggies may be cheap relatively speaking, but they are more expensive than unhealthier foods, and have a shorter shelf-life.

And your plan might not be valid in a rural area; heck up until a few years back my folks would have to drive an hour or so away to go grocery shopping.
02-07-2011
Drachen

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Quote:

Originally Posted by boutons_deux

bullshit.

that shit doesn't rot

if it don't rot, don't eat it.

if man made it, don't eat it.

Im a man, I made some chili this weekend, and I ate a ton of it.... because I don't want it to rot. LOL
02-07-2011
boutons_deux

Re: Its cheaper to feed kids Fruit Loops than fruit.

fresh food is definitely more expensive than dead food, calorie for calorie.

That's why poor people eat that industrial food-like shit. It's very cheap, filling, delicious heavily engineered calories. And the poor have more diabetes, heart disease, kidney disease, high blood pressure, get sicker and die younger than the upper 3 quintiles. Death by a 1000 mouthfuls.
02-07-2011
sickdsm

Re: Its cheaper to feed kids Fruit Loops than fruit.

The solution is to raise cheap food prices to match fruits and veggies.

Seriously thought, think about it. The US has had the cheapest, most abundant supply of food in the world for how many years? We spend fractions of our paycheck on food than other countries do.

baseline bum: You seem very misinformed. You seem to imply that corn is to blame for poor food. Do you really think if corn was gone you wouldn't have cane sugar/sugar beet sweetner added? You DO realize its the same thing, right?
02-07-2011
sickdsm

Re: Its cheaper to feed kids Fruit Loops than fruit.

Quote:

Originally Posted by boutons_deux

Big Win for Biotech: USDA Deregulates Monsanto Alfalfa

After nearly five years of legal and regulatory battles, the US Department of Agriculture (USDA) has fully deregulated Monsanto's Roundup Ready alfalfa that is genetically modified (GM) to be resistant to Roundup herbicide.

The decision squashed a proposed compromise between the biotech industry and its opponents that would have placed geographic restrictions on Roundup Ready alfalfa to prevent organic and traditional alfalfa from being contaminated by herbicide sprays and transgenes spread by cross-pollination and other factors.

Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack announced that Roundup Ready alfalfa would be fully deregulated on January 27, just one week after he testified before the House Committee on Agriculture, where committee members pressed Vilsack to fully deregulate Roundup Ready alfalfa and reject the proposal to geographically isolate it from traditional alfalfa.

http://www.truth-out.org/print/67373

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America is so fucked, and unfuckable.

RR alfalfa has been around for a long time you idiot. Quit bringing some lame ass article into this. RR Alf was ok'd years ago, they took it off the market but the fields that were planted were grandfathered in.

You're ten years late to this argument.
02-07-2011
sickdsm

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Tyson_Chandler

if unhealthy food costs more than healthy food, you can't just simply tax the unhealthy food..40 million americans are already on food stamps as it is, nobody would be able to afford to eat. the solution is coming up with better farming technology and restoring our economy back where people can actually afford food.

NOOOOO! God forbid we advance beyond taking a hoe and burying a fish under each corn and soybean plant.

Plus, boutons wouldn't want the rural people to improve their economy.

restoring our economy back where people can actually afford food

Cheapest food in the world, somethings wrong if you can't afford it.
02-07-2011
Winehole23

Re: Its cheaper to feed kids Fruit Loops than fruit.

Quote:

Originally Posted by sickdsm

The solution is to raise cheap food prices to match fruits and veggies.

In other words, the government should give natural foods a leg up by raising the price of junk food.

(So much for personal responsibility and the free market.)
02-07-2011
LnGrrrR

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sickdsm

Cheapest food in the world, somethings wrong if you can't afford it.

Well... that is the whole point of the thread, isn't it? :lol
02-07-2011
LnGrrrR

Re: Its cheaper to feed kids Fruit Loops than fruit.

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Originally Posted by Winehole23

In other words, the government should give natural foods a leg up by raising the price of junk food.

(So much for personal responsibility and the free market.)

To be fair, if junk foods are getting a leg up through government handouts (ie. corn production), then it's leveling the playing field.

Of course, some of those corn subsidies are there to ensure that we will still have adequate amts of corn during a poor season, so it's certainly not black and white.
02-07-2011
MiamiHeat

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kinda funny how obese people were seen as wealthy, and skinny toned people were seen as poor throughout all of human history.

thats been reversed in the past 80 years lol. if you're in shape, chances are you got more money than the fatass who eats mcd's everyday.
02-07-2011
Winehole23

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@LNGR: It's a fair point, but what sickdsm was talking about sounded much more like price controls.
02-07-2011
MiamiHeat

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Winehole23

@LNGR: It's a fair point, but what sickdsm was talking about sounded much more like price controls.

what about granting farmers the same subsidies for growing fruits?

bring the price of both down?
02-07-2011
LnGrrrR

Re: Its cheaper to feed kids Fruit Loops than fruit.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Winehole23

@LNGR: It's a fair point, but what sickdsm was talking about sounded much more like price controls.

I can see that take. I don't think price controls are the way to go though. as others have said, reducing subsidies may be the key.

Of course, that would require an objective analysis of current subsidies and the amount they're used properly vs abused.
02-07-2011
baseline bum

Re: Its cheaper to feed kids Fruit Loops than fruit.

Quote:

Originally Posted by sickdsm

The solution is to raise cheap food prices to match fruits and veggies.

Seriously thought, think about it. The US has had the cheapest, most abundant supply of food in the world for how many years? We spend fractions of our paycheck on food than other countries do.

baseline bum: You seem very misinformed. You seem to imply that corn is to blame for poor food. Do you really think if corn was gone you wouldn't have cane sugar/sugar beet sweetner added? You DO realize its the same thing, right?

Corn is fine. Subsidizing it so that every single thing in the supermarket is loaded with corn syrup is ridiculous. Even ignoring the health effects, it tastes like shit.
02-07-2011
Winehole23

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@MH: I'd be more in favor of the US removing ag subsidies entirely, but that's me.
02-07-2011
DarrinS

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People have been eating Fruit Loops since the early 1960's. I'm surprised we're not all dead by now.
02-07-2011
ploto

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It is cheaper to cook fresh food at home than to buy out food anywhere. I see lots of people who claim to have no money going out to eat all the time.

I also see people with food stamps buying all kinds of processed pre-fab meals that are more expensive than buying a whole chicken and baking it.

I grew up in a large family and saw first hand the amount of people you can feed for not much when you actually cook every day. We ate meals with roast and fresh potatoes and carrots.
02-07-2011
coyotes_geek

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Winehole23

One would think bad health and an early death were bad enough.

Apparently, much akin to the notion of soaking the rich, those who are so unfortunate as to have suffered ill health according to their own choices, deserve to pay even more for the privilege.

I sympathize with the "free will" position, however, how do you reconcile that against a system where the one person exercizing his free will to choose an unhealthy lifestyle isn't the only one who has to suffer the financial consequences of his decision?

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Originally Posted by Winehole23

Insofar as the target of the the fee is a well-defined social miscreant it might go over well.

Not a social miscreant. Just someone engaging in a behavior likely to result in an avoidable expense to the healthcare system. Not much different than a car insurer charging teenage drivers more. It's not because they're social miscreants, it's because there's a higher probability that they're going to cause an expense that will ultimately be borne by the insurer/other insured.
02-07-2011
ohmwrecker

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Originally Posted by LnGrrrR

Fruits and veggies may be cheap relatively speaking, but they are more expensive than unhealthier foods, and have a shorter shelf-life.

And your plan might not be valid in a rural area; heck up until a few years back my folks would have to drive an hour or so away to go grocery shopping.

Most rural areas have farmer's markets. I mean, what did people do 35-40 years ago when there were more people populating rural/undeveloped areas and there were less supermarkets and processed foods available? Eat dirt? Everyone seems to have forgotten that people used to eat a lot healthier with less conveniences than we have now. It's ignorance and laziness. There's no getting around that.
02-07-2011
coyotes_geek

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Just out of curiousity, anyone know how much a box of an unhealthy cereal like fruit loops costs compared to a box of healthy cereal like cheerios?

I'm having a really hard time believing that healthy foods are simply unaffordable.
02-07-2011
ohmwrecker

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Originally Posted by coyotes_geek

Just out of curiousity, anyone know how much a box of an unhealthy cereal like fruit loops costs compared to a box of healthy cereal like cheerios?

I'm having a really hard time believing that healthy foods are simply unaffordable.

They are relatively the same price and healthy foods aren't unaffordable, people are just fat, dumb and lazy.
02-07-2011
LnGrrrR

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Originally Posted by ohmwrecker

Most rural areas have farmer's markets. I mean, what did people do 35-40 years ago when there were more people populating rural/undeveloped areas and there were less supermarkets and processed foods available? Eat dirt? Everyone seems to have forgotten that people used to eat a lot healthier with less conveniences than we have now. It's ignorance and laziness. There's no getting around that.

Back then, wage equality was much more prevalent.

And due to big supermarkets, I'm sure there's a lot less farmers markets, no?

Just playing Devils Advocate a bit here.
02-07-2011
lefty

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I know a few people who got serious health problems because of aspartame

A few days after they got off diet sodas, they got much much better

I thought the whole aspartame paranoia was BS, but apparently it's not

Stay away from that shit
02-07-2011
ohmwrecker

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Originally Posted by LnGrrrR

Back then, wage equality was much more prevalent.

And due to big supermarkets, I'm sure there's a lot less farmers markets, no?

Just playing Devils Advocate a bit here.

There are a shit-ton of small farm's and farmer's markets where I live. I don't think it's that much more expensive for people to eat healthier, or at least start to add some healthier food choices to their diets. I've been reading a lot about it since becoming a father and it really boils down to the minor inconveniences of seeking out healthier options and making smaller, more frequent trips to the market for fresh (preferably locally grown) foods.
02-07-2011
SnakeBoy

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Originally Posted by ploto

It is cheaper to cook fresh food at home than to buy out food anywhere. I see lots of people who claim to have no money going out to eat all the time.

I also see people with food stamps buying all kinds of processed pre-fab meals that are more expensive than buying a whole chicken and baking it.

I grew up in a large family and saw first hand the amount of people you can feed for not much when you actually cook every day. We ate meals with roast and fresh potatoes and carrots.

This is what I think is the basic cause of our nations health epidemic (obesity, diatbetes, etc.). It amazes me at how most everyone I know is feeding their kids fast food and pre-fab meals all week long and the healthy home cooked meal is left for a special occasion. Exactly opposite of how I grew up. The claim that it's too expensive to eat healthy is pure bs.
02-07-2011
byrontx

Re: Its cheaper to feed kids Fruit Loops than fruit.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blake

froot loops are actually filled with nutrients.

It's like crushing up a box of oreos then sprinkling a cheap multi-vitamin over them-it doesn't make it really nutricious or even food for that matter. Moreover, the forms of the vitamins and minerals that they add are not the ones that actually benefit a human body.
02-08-2011
Winehole23

Re: Its cheaper to feed kids Fruit Loops than fruit.

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Originally Posted by ohmwrecker

They are relatively the same price and healthy foods aren't unaffordable, people are just fat, dumb and lazy.

Too bad progressive middle-brow disdain for more lumpen predilections isn't meliorative -- there seems to be an endless supply. :lol

"Oh well, what you cannot correct you can at least insult." (Barry Hannah, I think)
02-08-2011
Winehole23

Re: Its cheaper to feed kids Fruit Loops than fruit.

Quote:

Originally Posted by coyotes_geek

I sympathize with the "free will" position, however, how do you reconcile that against a system where the one person exercizing his free will to choose an unhealthy lifestyle isn't the only one who has to suffer the financial consequences of his decision?

Eminently reasonable. Practically irresistible from the standpoint of actuarial common sense.

Quote:

Originally Posted by coyotes_geek

Not a social miscreant. Just someone engaging in a behavior likely to result in an avoidable expense to the healthcare system.

Based on the probabilities, an extra premium is attached to certain commodities/activities likely to result in avoidable expense to the healthcare system. Like junk food.
02-08-2011
2centsworth

Re: Its cheaper to feed kids Fruit Loops than fruit.

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Originally Posted by cg

.... how do you reconcile that against a system where the one person exercizing his free will to choose an unhealthy lifestyle isn't the only one who has to suffer the financial consequences of his decision?

we voted for that system from our own free will.

freedom is not the enemy.
02-08-2011
Winehole23

Re: Its cheaper to feed kids Fruit Loops than fruit.

^^^out of step with the paternalistic administration of everyday life by a caring and professional bureaucracy.

We've been voting for an activist state in the USA for a long time -- about 75 years.
02-08-2011
Winehole23

Re: Its cheaper to feed kids Fruit Loops than fruit.

We voted for that system too, though as you pointed out that is very much at odds with certain first principles.
02-08-2011
boutons_deux

Re: Its cheaper to feed kids Fruit Loops than fruit.

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Originally Posted by lefty

I know a few people who got serious health problems because of aspartame

Stuff happens.

http://www.naturalnews.com/z026849_a..._Rumsfeld.html
02-08-2011
LnGrrrR

Re: Its cheaper to feed kids Fruit Loops than fruit.

Quote:

Originally Posted by SnakeBoy

This is what I think is the basic cause of our nations health epidemic (obesity, diatbetes, etc.). It amazes me at how most everyone I know is feeding their kids fast food and pre-fab meals all week long and the healthy home cooked meal is left for a special occasion. Exactly opposite of how I grew up. The claim that it's too expensive to eat healthy is pure bs.

Well, there's a big change in demographics from even a few decades ago. Alot more households now have both parents working, so it's easier for the parents to grab something quick.

Again, not saying it's right, but looking at the different factors involved. Another factor might be to see if the average worker puts in more hours at work now than they did a decade or two ago.
02-08-2011
MiamiHeat

Re: Its cheaper to feed kids Fruit Loops than fruit.

In 1968, indexed by inflation, the minimum wage was $9.00 / hour.

In Denmark, the min wage is $18 / hour.

If the country had kept the min wage in a static increase since 1968, the min wage today would be $24 / hour.

you see, the less you pay workers, they less they can buy. If everyone is "cutting costs" as a way to be "successful", then the population cannot afford as much products anymore. This hurts everyone in every industry.

tbh, this country should be ashamed of itself.
02-08-2011
Winehole23

Re: Its cheaper to feed kids Fruit Loops than fruit.

Quote:

Originally Posted by MiamiHeat

you see, the less you pay workers, they less they can buy. If everyone is "cutting costs" as a way to be "successful", then the population cannot afford as much products anymore. This hurts everyone in every industry.

Rates of compensation are not calibrated to international norms, but to the custom and moral feeling of the country. That's as it should be in my view.
02-08-2011
boutons_deux

Re: Its cheaper to feed kids Fruit Loops than fruit.

"If everyone is "cutting costs" as a way to be "successful""

The cost cutting is brutal because the savings go to the low-taxed mgmt, not into investment in USA.

Low-taxes encourages mgmt to take the corporate money and run. High taxes, corporate and personal, encourage investment to benefit from investment tax breaks. Real growth and wealth creation comes from investment, not from the mgmt pocketing 250x the average wage
02-08-2011
BlairForceDejuan

Re: Its cheaper to feed kids Fruit Loops than fruit.

Other than Meat and blueberries, healthy food is cheap. Bishes just too lazy and ignorant to know how to cook.

Knocking out 4k calories in fast food in one hour is easy.Stomaching 4k calories worth of healthy food in a day is torture.
02-08-2011
BlairForceDejuan

Re: Its cheaper to feed kids Fruit Loops than fruit.

double post
02-08-2011
sickdsm

Re: Its cheaper to feed kids Fruit Loops than fruit.

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Originally Posted by LnGrrrR

Well... that is the whole point of the thread, isn't it? :lol

If its the cheapest food in the world, why do we act like its too expensive then?
02-08-2011
sickdsm

Re: Its cheaper to feed kids Fruit Loops than fruit.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Winehole23

@LNGR: It's a fair point, but what sickdsm was talking about sounded much more like price controls.

I even started the next sentence with "But seriously...." and you're too stupid to catch that?
02-08-2011
sickdsm

Re: Its cheaper to feed kids Fruit Loops than fruit.

Quote:

Originally Posted by MiamiHeat

what about granting farmers the same subsidies for growing fruits?

bring the price of both down?

Maybe we should just give all food away? I'm sure someone would be bitching about how much it costs to go to the store.
02-08-2011
sickdsm

Re: Its cheaper to feed kids Fruit Loops than fruit.

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Originally Posted by baseline bum

Corn is fine. Subsidizing it so that every single thing in the supermarket is loaded with corn syrup is ridiculous. Even ignoring the health effects, it tastes like shit.

BS. You mean to tell me you can instantly taste the difference between something sweetened with corn syrup and other forms of sugar?
02-08-2011
Blake

Re: Its cheaper to feed kids Fruit Loops than fruit.

Quote:

Originally Posted by coyotes_geek

Just out of curiousity, anyone know how much a box of an unhealthy cereal like fruit loops costs compared to a box of healthy cereal like cheerios?

I'm having a really hard time believing that healthy foods are simply unaffordable.

what's the definition of a unhealthy cereal?
02-08-2011
Blake

Re: Its cheaper to feed kids Fruit Loops than fruit.

Quote:

Originally Posted by byrontx

It's like crushing up a box of oreos then sprinkling a cheap multi-vitamin over them-it doesn't make it really nutricious or even food for that matter.

Moreover, the forms of the vitamins and minerals that they add are not the ones that actually benefit a human body.

what kind of vitamins and minerals does Kellogg's use?

link showing they don't benefit a human body?
02-08-2011
boutons_deux

Re: Its cheaper to feed kids Fruit Loops than fruit.

As intended all along, BigFood dumbs you down, addicts you, so you keep buying BigFood shit

Junk food diet linked to lower IQ

Toddlers who have a diet high in processed foods may have a slightly lower IQ in later life, according to a British study described as the biggest research of its kind.

The conclusion, published on Monday, comes from a long-term investigation into 14,000 people born in western England in 1991 and 1992 whose health and well-being were monitored at the ages of three, four, seven and eight and a half.

Parents of the children were asked to fill out questionnaires that, among other things, detailed the kind of food and drink their children consumed.

Three dietary patterns emerged: one was high in processed fats and sugar; then there was a "traditional" diet high in meat and vegetables; and finally a "health-conscious" diet with lots of salad, fruit and vegetables, pasta and rice.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/02/j...iet-linked-iq/

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BigFood hits the jackpot when the parents are dumb enough, perhaps dumbed down from decades of eating BigFood shit, to feed their kids BigFood shit. Does anybody still wonder why obesity and heart disease "runs in families"?
02-08-2011
lefty

Re: Its cheaper to feed kids Fruit Loops than fruit.

Quote:

Originally Posted by boutons_deux

Stuff happens.

http://www.naturalnews.com/z026849_a..._Rumsfeld.html

Fuck Aspartame

Fuck Donald Rumsfeld, that dangerous piece of shit

Fuck the Food & Death Administration
02-08-2011
Blake

Re: Its cheaper to feed kids Fruit Loops than fruit.

Quote:

Originally Posted by lefty

Fuck Aspartame

Fuck Donald Rumsfeld, that dangerous piece of shit

Fuck the Food & Death Administration

Do you know anyone that has died from consuming too much aspartame?
02-08-2011
lefty

Re: Its cheaper to feed kids Fruit Loops than fruit.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blake

Do you know anyone that has died from consuming too much aspartame?

No, but see my previous post
02-08-2011
Blake

Re: Its cheaper to feed kids Fruit Loops than fruit.

Quote:

Originally Posted by lefty

No, but see my previous post

How many people have you known that had health problems because of aspartame?

What exactly were the health problems?

How many diet sodas did they drink a day?

Why are they certain it was the aspartame and not something else?
02-08-2011
coyotes_geek

Re: Its cheaper to feed kids Fruit Loops than fruit.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blake

what's the definition of a unhealthy cereal?

Not all cereals are equally healthy for you. I have faith in your ability to figure it out from there.
02-08-2011
TeyshaBlue

Re: Its cheaper to feed kids Fruit Loops than fruit.

Quote:

Originally Posted by coyotes_geek

Not all cereals are equally healthy for you. I have faith in your ability to figure it out from there.

I like the new Beef Steak Crunch cereal. The sugar frosted gravy really makes it work.

http://www.cerealfreak.com/pictures/...reak-11149.jpg
02-08-2011
Blake

Re: Its cheaper to feed kids Fruit Loops than fruit.

Quote:

Originally Posted by coyotes_geek

Not all cereals are equally healthy for you. I have faith in your ability to figure it out from there.

I do have my own definition of healthy/unhealthy foods.

You are the one that brought up taxation of junk food. I was curious what your definition is.
02-08-2011
boutons_deux

Re: Its cheaper to feed kids Fruit Loops than fruit.

Industrial breakfast cereals, even the "health food" stuff, is almost completely fast carbs (and lots of subsidized corn filler) from the processed grains, then added sugar/HFCS, then artificial flavoring/coloring/whoknowswhatthefuckelse, preservatives. Almost no fats/oil or protein, so it's not satiating, and quickly digested, so you're hungry faster, want their shitty snacks in a couple hours to hold you over.
02-08-2011
Blake

Re: Its cheaper to feed kids Fruit Loops than fruit.

Quote:

Originally Posted by boutons_deux

Industrial breakfast cereals, even the "health food" stuff, is almost completely fast carbs (and lots of subsidized corn filler) from the processed grains, then added sugar/HFCS, then artificial flavoring/coloring/whoknowswhatthefuckelse, preservatives. Almost no fats/oil or protein, so it's not satiating, and quickly digested, so you're hungry faster, want their shitty snacks in a couple hours to hold you over.

Just fyi, froot loops does not contain hfcs
02-08-2011
lefty

Re: Its cheaper to feed kids Fruit Loops than fruit.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blake

What exactly were the health problems?

How many diet sodas did they drink a day?

Why are they certain it was the aspartame and not something else?

1. MS like symptoms, migraine, restless leg/numbness

2. on average, probably, around 2 a day

3. Well, 2 of them (a couple) went to see different doctors; the 3rd one asked them if they were consuming diet sodas on a regular basis; they got off diet coke/pepsi and started to feel much much better after 4 days; they told our friends about itl they too stopped drinking diet sodas and their symptoms went away after a few days.
02-08-2011
coyotes_geek

Re: Its cheaper to feed kids Fruit Loops than fruit.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blake

I do have my own definition of healthy/unhealthy foods.

You are the one that brought up taxation of junk food. I was curious what your definition is.

I don't have one. It's a concept.
02-08-2011
Blake

Re: Its cheaper to feed kids Fruit Loops than fruit.

Quote:

Originally Posted by lefty

1. MS like symptoms, migraine, restless leg/numbness

2. on average, probably, around 2 a day

3. Well, 2 of them (a couple) went to see different doctors; the 3rd one asked them if they were consuming diet sodas on a regular basis; they got off diet coke/pepsi and started to feel much much better after 4 days; they told our friends about itl they too stopped drinking diet sodas and their symptoms went away after a few days.

I wont tell you not to believe friends' anecdotes, but I will tell you that you sound like Nancy Markle.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...990167,00.html
02-08-2011
Blake

Re: Its cheaper to feed kids Fruit Loops than fruit.

Quote:

Originally Posted by coyotes_geek

I don't have one. It's a concept.

I'm an advocate of the concept myself. The problem always comes back to where the line gets drawn between healthy and unhealthy.

Was hoping to hear about a concrete line.
02-08-2011
boutons_deux

Re: Its cheaper to feed kids Fruit Loops than fruit.

"hear about a concrete line"

If it doesn't rot, don't eat it.

If man made it (or adulterated it), don't eat it.
02-08-2011
lefty

Re: Its cheaper to feed kids Fruit Loops than fruit.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blake

I wont tell you not to believe friends' anecdotes, but I will tell you that you sound like Nancy Markle.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...990167,00.html

Interesting stuff

Thanks for the link :tu
02-08-2011
Blake

Re: Its cheaper to feed kids Fruit Loops than fruit.

Quote:

Originally Posted by boutons_deux

"hear about a concrete line"

If it doesn't rot, don't eat it.

If man made it (or adulterated it), don't eat it.

Do you think there should be a tax on food that doesn't rot?
02-08-2011
boutons_deux

Re: Its cheaper to feed kids Fruit Loops than fruit.

no, not a tax.

a boycott, and on everything from BigFood.

radical solution? yes, because the BigFood is a radical problem
02-08-2011
boutons_deux

Re: Its cheaper to feed kids Fruit Loops than fruit.

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02-08-2011
ohmwrecker

Re: Its cheaper to feed kids Fruit Loops than fruit.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Winehole23

Too bad progressive middle-brow disdain for more lumpen predilections isn't meliorative -- there seems to be an endless supply.

I know I'm being harsh, but the mass majority of people who are addicted to the junk food diet are actually making it more difficult for people who want to eat healthy. They are keeping the junk food industry in business and eliminating choices for people who want to change. It's sad, really.

What are you doing besides judging every opinion no matter the side?
02-08-2011
Blake

Re: Its cheaper to feed kids Fruit Loops than fruit.

Quote:

Originally Posted by boutons_deux

no, not a tax.

a boycott, and on everything from BigFood.

radical solution? yes, because the BigFood is a radical problem

Eh. I think overeating is the main problem myself.

Potato chips don't really rot until you open the bag. Are they safe to eat?
02-08-2011
Winehole23

Re: Its cheaper to feed kids Fruit Loops than fruit.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ohmwrecker

I know I'm being harsh, but the mass majority of people who are addicted to the junk food diet are actually making it more difficult for people who want to eat healthy. They are keeping the junk food industry in business and eliminating choices for people who want to change. It's sad, really.

I don't really see how my poor dietary choices interfere with your freedom to treat yourself right. Besides, if there was no junk food on the shelf it wouldn't be as much of a true choice, would it?

Quote:

Originally Posted by ohmwrecker

What are you doing besides judging every opinion no matter the side?

Dunno. Is there something wrong with that?

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