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Re: Its cheaper to feed kids Fruit Loops than fruit.
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greyforest
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An EHO at the FDA conducted an investigation of the chlor-alkali industry in 2004 and found mercury residue in all of the mercury cell chlor-alkali products including caustic soda, chlorine, potassium hydroxide, and hydrochloric acid. Mercury is widely accepted to be a neurotoxic heavy metal [23]. The American Academy of Pediatrics has recommended that minimizing any form of mercury exposure is essential for optimal child health and nervous system development [6]. Current international food processing standards allow 1.0 μg mercury/g caustic soda [21,22] and there is no standard for mercury in food grade hydrochloric acid. Both of these chemicals may be used to make HFCS. Mercury contamination of food products as a result of the use of mercury contaminated HFCS seems like a very real possibility. With daily per capita consumption of HFCS in the US averaging about 50 grams and daily mercury intakes from HFCS ranging up to 28 μg, this potential source of mercury may exceed other major sources of mercury especially in high-end consumers of beverages sweetened with HFCS. Food products that contain a significant amount of HFCS should be tested for mercury contamination in the end product and the public should be informed of any detections. Clearly, more research is needed to determine the extent of mercury exposure in children from mercury contaminated HFCS in food products.
and yes "my personal theory" is just that :lol a theory, needs testing. If anyone wants to throw me some grant money I could research it :wakeup
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Re: Its cheaper to feed kids Fruit Loops than fruit.
dude your website linked is www.sweetsurprise.com ...after glancing at it, do you really think it will be unbiased?
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Re: Its cheaper to feed kids Fruit Loops than fruit.
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Originally Posted by
greyforest
dude your website linked is
www.sweetsurprise.com ...after glancing at it, do you really think it will be unbiased?
sweetsurprise.com is absolutely biased.
I don't think Dr. Woodhall Stopford is biased though. Do you?
If so, why?
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Re: Its cheaper to feed kids Fruit Loops than fruit.
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Originally Posted by
boutons_deux
bullshit.
that shit doesn't rot
if it don't rot, don't eat it.
if man made it, don't eat it.
Jack LaLanne, dude was a straight gangsta
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Re: Its cheaper to feed kids Fruit Loops than fruit.
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Blake
sweetsurprise.com is absolutely biased.
I don't think Dr. Woodhall Stopford is biased though. Do you?
If so, why?
He may or may not be paid by corn lobbyists to appear unbiased but find "data" that shows that HFCS is safe and healthy.
Renee Dufault may or may not be paid by anti-corn lobbyists to appear unbiased but find "data" that shows that HFCS is potentially unsafe and full of mercury.
Capitalism!
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Re: Its cheaper to feed kids Fruit Loops than fruit.
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Originally Posted by
greyforest
He may or may not be paid by corn lobbyists to appear unbiased but find "data" that shows that HFCS is safe and healthy.
Renee Dufault may or may not be paid by anti-corn lobbyists to appear unbiased but find "data" that shows that HFCS is potentially unsafe and full of mercury.
Capitalism!
I believe both sources are unbiased until proven otherwise.
Did you read the entire study from the link you posted?
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Re: Its cheaper to feed kids Fruit Loops than fruit.
Nobody needs no fucking studies and pissing matches about value or worthlessness of HFCS.
Extracting HFCS out of its natural matrix of (heavily subsized) corn kernels and then using it to sweeten damn near everything is known an "industrial processing" and artificial concentration of super-fast/High GI carbs.
Corn is already a fairly low quality food. That's why a large majority of US corn is fed to animals, simply to make them fat. Compare the grease bag of of factory pig with its lean and mean feral hog cousins.
Fast carbs cause spikes in insulin (which is really nasty hormone) to convert the excess carbs into triglycerides (aka fat) so it can be stored in fat cells. After many years of insulin spiking, the body becomes insensitive to insulin, blood glucose doesn't come down anymore, aka, you're self-inflicted with TypeII diabetes, which is another epidemic.
Not claiming causality, but there is correlation between the pervasive infiltration of HFCS into nearly all industrial food-like substances and the multi-decade, ongoing epidemic of overweight and obesity in all age groups.
There is simply no justification for HFCS in anything, except BigFood suckering sheeple into feeding their sweet tooth and increasing BigFood profits.
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Re: Its cheaper to feed kids Fruit Loops than fruit.
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Originally Posted by
Blake
I believe both sources are unbiased until proven otherwise.
Did you read the entire study from the link you posted?
Yes, I did.
The two studies are contradictory. Your study says:
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•No quantifiable mercury was detected in any of the samples analyzed.
•High fructose corn syrup does not appear to be a measurable contributor to mercury in foods.
But then my study says:
http://ehjournal.net/content/8/1/2/table/T1
That means you can't believe both of them, and that one of them is wrong.
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Re: Its cheaper to feed kids Fruit Loops than fruit.
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Originally Posted by
boutons_deux
Nobody needs no fucking studies and pissing matches about value or worthlessness of HFCS.
Extracting HFCS out of its natural matrix of (heavily subsized) corn kernels and then using it to sweeten damn near everything is known an "industrial processing" and artificial concentration of super-fast/High GI carbs.
Corn is already a fairly low quality food. That's why a large majority of US corn is fed to animals, simply to make them fat. Compare the grease bag of of factory pig with its lean and mean feral hog cousins.
Fast carbs cause spikes in insulin (which is really nasty hormone) to convert the excess carbs into triglycerides (aka fat) so it can be stored in fat cells. After many years of insulin spiking, the body becomes insensitive to insulin, blood glucose doesn't come down anymore, aka, you're self-inflicted with TypeII diabetes, which is another epidemic.
Not claiming causality, but there is correlation between the pervasive infiltration of HFCS into nearly all industrial food-like substances and the multi-decade, ongoing epidemic of overweight and obesity in all age groups.
There is simply no justification for HFCS in anything, except BigFood suckering sheeple into feeding their sweet tooth and increasing BigFood profits.
You're talking about different things. Corn can be starch, sugar or protein. Whatever you need it to do, corn can.
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Re: Its cheaper to feed kids Fruit Loops than fruit.
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greyforest
In those studies done, what percent of the time was mercury found in those foods containing HFCS?
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Re: Its cheaper to feed kids Fruit Loops than fruit.
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sickdsm
You're talking about different things. Corn can be starch, sugar or protein. Whatever you need it to do, corn can.
bullshit. corn, variable, is 88% starch (carb) and 8% protein. It's main value is the cheap, subsidized carbs for fattening animals.
Like sheeple, cows eat just about any old shit they're fed.
Cows, their guts, evolved eating low-calorie leaves (grass), not high-calorie/high-carb seeds (corn). As with sheeple, cows eating so much carbs causes gastrointestinal and systemic acidity, which promotes the growth the the form of E. coli that is sickening/fatatl to humans. That form of E. coli is almost non-existent in grass-fed cows.
BigFood is one of the disasters of American civilization, and a huge reason Americans are so fat and diseased.
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Re: Its cheaper to feed kids Fruit Loops than fruit.
:rolleyes
Have you not heard of converting starch to sugar?
I'm feeding very high protein MWDGS right now, a vastly superior quality feed than anything i'm aware of locally. You might know it as a byproduct of ethanol, derived from corn starch turned into sugar. We export alot of this oversees as it is so much more efficient than corn.
Quick, google it.
Corn can be starch, protein, or sugar. Whatever you need it to be.
Feeding corn to fatten cattle is so 1990's. Get with the times.
American's are fat because we have no self control and we're lazy. Blame it on a product.
While your at it, where is that one and done GMO seed sold at again? You forgot to show me.........
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Re: Its cheaper to feed kids Fruit Loops than fruit.
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boutons_deux
BigFood is one of the disasters of American civilization, and a huge reason Americans are so fat and diseased.
It's ok. I have faith that BigPharma will keep me alive til I hit 100.
What does a typical meal eaten by boutons_deux consist of?
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Re: Its cheaper to feed kids Fruit Loops than fruit.
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Blake
In those studies done, what percent of the time was mercury found in those foods containing HFCS?
Your question is egregious. The study tests pure HFCS from three manufacturers, not foods with HFCS added to them. The study finds that 9 of the 20 HFCS samples has a detectable amount of mercury.
I'm glad you're not a scientist. If a certain kind of paint is reported to contain more lead than it is supposed to, you would not test the paint. You would try to find houses that had been painted with the paint and test the houses.
Are you tired of being owned yet or do you have some other moronic inquiries?
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Re: Its cheaper to feed kids Fruit Loops than fruit.
"Have you not heard of converting starch to sugar?"
starch and sugar are both carbohydrates.
how can corn carbs be converted to protein, and why would any human or animal want to eat such synthetic shit?
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Re: Its cheaper to feed kids Fruit Loops than fruit.
My kids get fast food about once every three-four months. We can afford to eat out but choose not too. When we do go out, we hold the fries and soda. If we want to take the family out to a nicer place, we usaully require our children to eat grilled food and either veggies/salad.
It can be done. Despite many people believing that the dollar menu is cheaper than shopping for fruits and vegitables, it just isn't true.
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Re: Its cheaper to feed kids Fruit Loops than fruit.
Water is free yet people would rather give their kids sugar drinks because it says made with real fruit.
Banannas are cheap, carrots are cheap, certain kids of appels are cheap, buying fruit at the right season will always be cheap. Broccoli, fresh green beans.
All of these can be purchased at any store for less money than a couple boxes of chips, crackers, sugar drinks, sugar cereal and the other crap with which people feed their families.
I am all for a junk food tax. It might not be perfect, but you could tax anything with transfat in it, you could tax soda and other high calorie drinks, you could add a fast food tax including sandwhich shops, which everyone seems to think is healthy.
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Re: Its cheaper to feed kids Fruit Loops than fruit.
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Originally Posted by
boutons_deux
"Have you not heard of converting starch to sugar?"
starch and sugar are both carbohydrates.
how can corn carbs be converted to protein, and why would any human or animal want to eat such synthetic shit?
If you're ill informed, i suggest maybe you bone up on your knowledge before you spout BS.
All your shit you spew about ethanol and you don't have a CLUE about the byproducts?
:lmao
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Re: Its cheaper to feed kids Fruit Loops than fruit.
We try to eat healthy, but we're not saints. Its a tough road raising kids. I don't want to deprive him of things, but i do try to get him on the right path, whether thats tv, games or food. His biggest treat to drink is apple or orange juice. Veggies are a fight with him but he's a meat and potato eater, not much of a sweet tooth. He's never had chocolate milk yet, alot of kids i knew growing up seemed spoiled bc that's the only way they would drink milk. We babysat another 2 yr old awhile back and were astonished to find bottles of Mtn Dew in their backpack.
I remember YEARS ago, me and a friend watching his baby brother and the kid going through two cans of Coke in a bottle. Not a sippie cup, a BOTTLE.
I'm blessed with a wonderful wife that's able to quickly make homemade meals that taste restaurant quality. Some times i don't believe her and ask everything she puts in a dish, no seasoning packets either. So it CAN be done.
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Re: Its cheaper to feed kids Fruit Loops than fruit.
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Originally Posted by
greyforest
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greyforest
Your question is egregious. The study tests pure HFCS from three manufacturers, not foods with HFCS added to them. The study finds that 9 of the 20 HFCS samples has a detectable amount of mercury.
I'm glad you're not a scientist. If a certain kind of paint is reported to contain more lead than it is supposed to, you would not test the paint. You would try to find houses that had been painted with the paint and test the houses.
I'd probably want to investigate the manufacturing plant first.
Glad you don't work for the FDA.
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Are you tired of being owned yet or do you have some other moronic inquiries?
You helped confirm that your first blanket statement mercury being in HFCS was pretty shitty.
No more inquiries. :tu
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Re: Its cheaper to feed kids Fruit Loops than fruit.
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elbamba
I am all for a junk food tax. It might not be perfect, but you could tax anything with transfat in it, you could tax soda and other high calorie drinks, you could add a fast food tax including sandwhich shops, which everyone seems to think is healthy.
Would you put a junk food tax on 0 calorie diet soda?
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Re: Its cheaper to feed kids Fruit Loops than fruit.
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Blake
Would you put a junk food tax on 0 calorie diet soda?
Yes
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Re: Its cheaper to feed kids Fruit Loops than fruit.
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Blake
Would you put a junk food tax on 0 calorie diet soda?
I would
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Re: Its cheaper to feed kids Fruit Loops than fruit.
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elbamba
Yes
What about regular bottled ginseng tea that might contain 70 calories pet serving?
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Re: Its cheaper to feed kids Fruit Loops than fruit.
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lazerelmo
I'm sure government farm subsidies help fruit producers as well. There was a time when buying fruit at the grocery store was cheaper than buying processed foods but over the years that changed and I don't think it was government subsidies that changed things nor do I think it was in the hands of the grocery store to change things as the President suggest (if Walmart would just stop buying those dang fruit loops). Choices made by the consumer caused the shift and could cause it to shift back, but why would we do that? Why go back to buying carrots and turnips when you can get a whole serving of vegetables in a glass of V-8? Its called progress. Is it really a bad thing that fresh produce cost more than the box Fruit Loops?
Nope. IMO
Unless, of course you are rasing a family of 5 on a thin budget.
What exactly is the "free market" non-governmental solution to the fact that sugary cereals are cheaper?
Choose to feed your children less, because you only give them the amount of fruit your money can buy?
