Brace yourself for the food-price bubble

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02-09-2011
RandomGuy

Re: Brace yourself for the food-price bubble

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Originally Posted by boutons_deux

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worl...ied-crops.html

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php...santo_in_India

http://www.democracynow.org/2006/12/...r_suicides_the

http://www.naturalnews.com/z030913_M..._suicides.html

"globalization" = predatory corps fucking everybody and everything. When the US corps were initially pushing for "free trade" and "globalization" we should have known it was good for the corps and fucked for everybody else.

Monsanto hires PIs to sample farmers' crops, then sues the farmers for license fees if their crops have been contaminated by Monsanto proprietary GM products.

These people would be in trouble no matter what kind of seed they used, simply because of the lack of rain.

Monsanto is no saint, but saying that the only reason the people are in trouble is the seeds they bought from the company is simply, and provably false.

Monsanto does seem to be a bunch of thugs, don't get me wrong. I just don't think they had as much to do with the problem of farmer suicides as some want us to think.
02-09-2011
RandomGuy

Re: Brace yourself for the food-price bubble

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Originally Posted by sickdsm

Organic farmer have some of the biggest crooks in the farming community among them. Alot that I know are about as shady as you can get.

You'd be surprised how easy it is to co-mingle "organic" and GMO crops together and pass them all off as organic. I believe its pretty common, as most organic farms that i've seen AREN'T 100% organic. Not to mention it can be alot harder on the environment.

But you're point is that organic needs to be 100% to truly be organic still is true. Its alot like having black paint and you're neighbor having white paint. It needs only a drop of black to make that white impure. There is no health or enviroment problems from it though.

Aside from increased usage of the herbicides and pesticides that these crops are supposed to be resistant to, you mean.

Start drinking the run-off from fields where this stuff is used, and I might find that credible.
02-09-2011
sickdsm

Re: Brace yourself for the food-price bubble

Quote:

Originally Posted by boutons_deux

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worl...ied-crops.html

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php...santo_in_India

http://www.democracynow.org/2006/12/...r_suicides_the

http://www.naturalnews.com/z030913_M..._suicides.html

"globalization" = predatory corps fucking everybody and everything. When the US corps were initially pushing for "free trade" and "globalization" we should have known it was good for the corps and fucked for everybody else.

Monsanto hires PIs to sample farmers' crops, then sues the farmers for license fees if their crops have been contaminated by Monsanto proprietary GM products.

Are you fucking serious? They had a crop failure and couldn't pay his bills. Do you honestly think that doesn't happen with everything? What if he borrowed money for a tractor, or a toilet? Are tractors and toilets the reason he killed himself? When you don't work for someone else, you assume all risks, just as this guy did. I'm not going to bother reading any more fucking links you post if there going to be as retarded as you.

Go look up some more fucking links to tell me where all these one and done seeds are being sold. Tell me if they enforce patents and copyrights too.
02-09-2011
sickdsm

Re: Brace yourself for the food-price bubble

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Originally Posted by RandomGuy

Aside from increased usage of the herbicides and pesticides that these crops are supposed to be resistant to, you mean.

Start drinking the run-off from fields where this stuff is used, and I might find that credible.

Glyphospate is one if not the most harmless herbicides there is. It breaks down in sunlight and it has ZERO residual effect. Meaning if it doesn't make direct contact with the plant, it will have zero effects. You can go to a field the next day, dig up soil, pour water in it and strain the soil out and pour the liquid on a weed and it will not kill it.

Glyphospate is also DECREASING the amount of herbicide's used prior to RR seed.

Farmers health has improved since getting rid of some of the older chemicals. I used to get really sick after spraying other things years ago.

Is it good for the environment to cultivate umpteen times a year? You do realize the amount of land required to produce the same amount is a lot higher with organice with the hard task of weed control, right?

Start drinking the run-off from fields where this stuff is used, and I might find that credible.

My dad actually has done that after it runs through the tile. I've got a pretty good story about that one time.....
:lol
02-09-2011
sickdsm

Re: Brace yourself for the food-price bubble

Quote:

Originally Posted by RandomGuy

These people would be in trouble no matter what kind of seed they used, simply because of the lack of rain.

Monsanto is no saint, but saying that the only reason the people are in trouble is the seeds they bought from the company is simply, and provably false.

Monsanto does seem to be a bunch of thugs, don't get me wrong. I just don't think they had as much to do with the problem of farmer suicides as some want us to think.

I remember reading story a few years ago on how they sued a guy who run a seed cleaning business. Basically because he was "helping" farmers who wanted to illegally save seed.

Really isn't up to him to determine if its GMO or non GMO.

Non GMO beans will yield the same if not better than RR beans. Problem is its cheaper to pay the tech fees and spray cheap Rup a couple times then it is to spray the expensive, very fussy herbicides.
02-09-2011
Winehole23

Re: Brace yourself for the food-price bubble

You and Cosmic Cowboy should commiserate someday. Sounds like you might have a few things in common.
02-09-2011
sickdsm

Re: Brace yourself for the food-price bubble

I have enough in common with alot of the people i know.

If I'm going to seek out someone, i'll take the suggestion from someone I value, no offense.
02-09-2011
Winehole23

Re: Brace yourself for the food-price bubble

None taken.
02-09-2011
Winehole23

Re: Brace yourself for the food-price bubble

I'm kind of disappointed there's been no substantive discussion as yet of a probable food/fuel bubble. Could be pretty gnarly.
02-09-2011
Nbadan

Re: Brace yourself for the food-price bubble

well, in all fairness...RG posts about the commodity bubble about once a week, it's been rehashed in many threads...
02-10-2011
Winehole23

Re: Brace yourself for the food-price bubble

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Originally Posted by Nbadan

well, in all fairness...RG posts about the commodity bubble about once a week, it's been rehashed in many threads...

Before I attempt to demolish it utterly I ought to say, that is a fair point, Dan. :tu

OTOH, is the topic really so unworthy of the focus given, in your view? How many people are potentially effected by the price of food and fuel?

It should also be kept in mind that topics sometimes vanish into free-form banter and ribaldry in this forum. In fact, it is unusual for threads not to dissipate in petty strife, false hilarity and nonsense.That something has already been posted on extensively is no guarantee any substantive topical discussion has taken place yet.

If it has been rehashed ad nauseam in your opinion, perhaps you can put it in a nutshell for us. What did you take from the previous state of the conversation, sir?
02-10-2011
Winehole23

Re: Brace yourself for the food-price bubble

The contention that the theme has been overcooked here has merit IMO. Should a food/fuel bubble come to pass however, it could overcook us.
02-10-2011
LnGrrrR

Re: Brace yourself for the food-price bubble

For what it's worth, I appreciated the rather in-depth discussion. I wasn't informed on this topic very well, and think I've gleaned a little insight. So thanks to all who have participated thus far.
02-10-2011
Winehole23

Re: Brace yourself for the food-price bubble

I was more referring to the previous state of the conversation. The present one sorta got derailed from the ostensible topic, but it's not the worst thread ever.
02-10-2011
Nbadan

Re: Brace yourself for the food-price bubble

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Originally Posted by Winehole23

Before I attempt to demolish it utterly I ought to say, that is a fair point, Dan. :tu

OTOH, is the topic really so unworthy of the focus given, in your view? How many people are potentially effected by the price of food and fuel?

It should also be kept in mind that topics sometimes vanish into free-form banter and ribaldry in this forum. In fact, it is unusual for threads not to dissipate in petty strife, false hilarity and nonsense.That something has already been posted on extensively is no guarantee any substantive topical discussion has taken place yet.

Let me ask you this.....the wing-nut pundits are a lot of fun....seriously.... all their shit is bullshit...visit any Yoni thread for proof....yet the M$M has bit into nutty wing-nut conspiracy theories like the Reverend Wright story.....the ACORN pimp.....the Birther movement....

So.....these pundits are laughable, just as many threads in this forum sometimes turn out....

....but have they none-the-less changed America? Hasn't America swung more wing-nut than ever with candidates like Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachmann offering her own state-of-the Union?

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