Grover Norquist: Conservative principles and prison

lot of straw, very little responsiveness to the topic there.

par for the course. kneejerk partisan gobbledygook.

I addressed Nortwist:

"focusing on "them folks" is hardly the solution"

Considering his famous role as tax-cutting, pledge-forcing bully, it's very weird to see him addressing severely mentally ill prisoners. Ostensibly humanitarian, he's got a long way to go before he's convincing.

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Originally Posted by vy65

The idea is that the government would play a much greater role in monitoring, supervising, and re-incarcerating offenders if need be. That's more "government intrusion," even if its at a lower cost.

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Yet it is still less "government intrusion" than being in prison and having guards look up your asshole every day.

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Originally Posted by boutons_deux

I addressed Nortwist:

"focusing on "them folks" is hardly the solution"

Considering his famous role as tax-cutting, pledge-forcing bully, it's very weird to see him addressing severely mentally ill prisoners. Ostensibly humanitarian, he's got a long way to go before he's convincing.

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not a panacea, as the Grits article points out, but jailing psych cases without treating them creates enormous inefficiencies for the penal system and considerable expense to the public. I'm not sure why it should trouble you that Norquist can see the sense in that, except that it may tend to break your rigid political caricature.

topically related:

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The Cook County Department of Corrections in Chicago is one of the largest single-site pre-detention facilities in the world, with an average daily population hovering around 9,000 inmates. It is estimated that 35 percent of this population is mentally ill.

According to a May 2015 report by the National Alliance on Mental Illness, Illinois cut $113.7 million in funding for mental health services between 2009 and 2012. Two state-operated inpatient facilities and six City of Chicago mental health clinics have shut down since 2009. The report goes on to detail that Governor Bruce Rauner's 2016 budget proposal to slash $87 million of funding for mental health services could cause an estimated 16,533 adults to lose access to care.

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http://www.vice.com/read/what-life-i...ealth-facility

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Originally Posted by Winehole23

not a panacea, as the Grits article points out, but jailing psych cases without treating them creates enormous inefficiencies for the penal system and considerable expense to the public. I'm not sure why it should trouble you that Norquist can see the sense in that, except that it may tend to break your rigid political caricature.

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those enormous inefficiences are tax $100Ms that pour into for-profit prisons, etc.

Norquist and other tax-cutters ALWAYS protect hosing taxpayer $100Bs to Corporate Welfare Queens, while "cutting taxes" means screwing the 47% if not the 99%.