"Christian" bubbas at it again: legal to kill doctors who perform abortions

Boutons, my ######, troll, well over a million abortions a year are performed in good old USA. Our laws protect those who want to abort kids for whatever reasons they may have but make no mistake, its well over a million a year. I think I read somewhere that since Roe vs Wade there has been close to 50 million abortions committed. FUCK, USA is a slaughter house.

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Originally Posted by ploto

If you kill the mom, you kill the baby, and she is the one choosing to end a life.

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WTF are u talking about?

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Originally Posted by jack sommerset

...well over a million abortions a year are performed in good old USA.

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Thank fucking Christ. Looks like we're dodging one million bullets every year. That makes Neo look bitch made.

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Originally Posted by jack sommerset

Because I do.

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Do you realize that 'life' as biologically defined entails more than just human life, right? Are you as concerned about non-human killing of innocent lives?
Would you like somebody else to decide if you have to keep a tapeworm, or if you should eat meat or not?

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Originally Posted by jack sommerset

There have been many studies of why these peeps have abortion. Doesn't feel she is ready, feels she can't afford baby, has in her opinion to many kids already, has to much family responsbility as is, relationship sucks,feels she isn't mature enough, might fuck with her schooling or career plans, the parents of the person having the abortion want it done These are easily over 90 percent of why mothers (i'm glad u reconize they are mothers) end a helpless innocent life. The other few percents of abortions are rape, incest and health reasons. Clearly more mothers abort their children, kill thier babies for selfish reasons. The few others get caught up in some sick shit.

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The reasons are truly completely irrelevant to you, since you're not being asked to make the decision for her. The law in this country gives the power to make that decision to the person carrying the fetus.

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Originally Posted by jack sommerset

Our country kill millions every year through abortions so if some guy wants to try to pass a law killing those who kill innocent lives, I gots no problem with that. Won't happen but I like it.

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Our country kills a lot of innocent lives every year outside of abortions. Are you as outraged our wars kill innocent civilians and merely label them as "collateral"? Are you advocating for killing our military personnel also?
If not, why not?

Dude,...It's a human life. Around 50 million people in this country have abortions since 1973. Over 90 % of them had the "procedure" for selfish reasons. They admitted it. "I'm not ready for a kid" "I don't know who the dad is" "I was drunk" "He said he would pull out" "I have 2 years left and I get my bachelors" "I just got this job" "I'm not ready" I think it's safe to say there are 30-40 million of examples like this on why these mothers (glad you agree they are mothers) had the life terminated. I can't think of to many reason why anyone would want to abort a kid but forgetting to take birth control pill or I don't think it's my husbands baby should be one of the reasons.

I'm not cheerleading for any religious group, I get our country has killed innocent peeps durning wars and yes in alot of cases I am outraged by that. Our country gives me the power to voice my opinion and that opinion as silly as you may think it is says abortions is the murder of innocent life. I think it's straight up gangster shit killing most of these kids. Do I understand why some get abortions? Yes. Do I support everyones decisions on abortion? No. Do I think the laws should change on abortion. Yes. Do I know exactly what we should do? No. I know abortion have gotten out of control in this country. I think you even know they have.

If some congressmen wants to try to pass a law saying it's cool for the father to kill the doctor (throw mommy in there for shits and giggles), for killing his kid, I am all for it. That will never ever ever happen in a MILLION years but I like some of the messages it sends.

If you kill the mom, you kill the kid too, jack.

Then you'd have to kill yourself.

There could be an upside to this law.

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Originally Posted by jack sommerset

If some congressmen wants to try to pass a law saying it's cool for the father to kill the doctor for killing his kid, I am all for it.

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Then someone would have to kill the father, too, for taking a life- right? Like maybe that doctor's parent whose kid's life was taken. Then, someone would have to kill that person... So you believe so strongly in the sanctity of life that you advocate killing people?

And people on here know that I am pro-life but it is people like you and this congressman who give the cause a bad name.

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Originally Posted by jack sommerset

Dude,...It's a human life. Around 50 million people in this country have abortions since 1973. Over 90 % of them had the "procedure" for selfish reasons. They admitted it. "I'm not ready for a kid" "I don't know who the dad is" "I was drunk" "He said he would pull out" "I have 2 years left and I get my bachelors" "I just got this job" "I'm not ready" I think it's safe to say there are 30-40 million of examples like this on why these mothers (glad you agree they are mothers) had the life terminated. I can't think of to many reason why anyone would want to abort a kid but forgetting to take birth control pill or I don't think it's my husbands baby should be one of the reasons.

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I just loooooove when men having this argument arbitrarily decide how easily pregnant women make the decision to terminate their pregnancy.

I've known several women who have had abortions. Some because their pregnancies were the result of rape and/or incest, some because they "selfishly" decided they weren't ready (to be honest, realizing and admitting that to yourself before becoming a parent is the antithesis of selfish). In all of these cases I know that the women were 100% certain they had made the right decision. Yet in all of these cases I also know that their decisions were VERY difficult to make.

I'm not naive enough to pretend that there aren't women who have a casual approach to abortion or who view it as an easy solution, but as someone who has twice experienced the conflicted emotions that come from mourning a child you didn't want and/or weren't prepared for (miscarriages in my case), I can assure you that's not the way it works for the vast majority of women who seek abortion.




Between the happy trips to the abortion clinic and the vengeful yoo-hoo razor blades, tonight's Political Forum has a serious obsession with the idea of weaponized female reproductive organs. If someone mentions the vagina dentata, I'm out. Gots no time for Freud.

Speaking only for myself, I rather enjoy my interaction with vaginas.

I don't know what happened to these other guys.

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Originally Posted by ElNono

You would need to ask the mother what her intentions are when hiring a doctor to perform one.

My question to you jack is, why do you care?

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Is the Dad of no concern?

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

Speaking only for myself, I rather enjoy my interaction with vaginas.

I don't know what happened to these other guys.

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Apparently you have a nice monitor.
:lol

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Originally Posted by CuckingFunt

I just loooooove when men having this argument arbitrarily decide how easily pregnant women make the decision to terminate their pregnancy.

I've known several women who have had abortions. Some because their pregnancies were the result of rape and/or incest, some because they "selfishly" decided they weren't ready (to be honest, realizing and admitting that to yourself before becoming a parent is the antithesis of selfish). In all of these cases I know that the women were 100% certain they had made the right decision. Yet in all of these cases I also know that their decisions were VERY difficult to make.

I'm not naive enough to pretend that there aren't women who have a casual approach to abortion or who view it as an easy solution, but as someone who has twice experienced the conflicted emotions that come from mourning a child you didn't want and/or weren't prepared for (miscarriages in my case), I can assure you that's not the way it works for the vast majority of women who seek abortion.




Between the happy trips to the abortion clinic and the vengeful yoo-hoo razor blades, tonight's Political Forum has a serious obsession with the idea of weaponized female reproductive organs. If someone mentions the vagina dentata, I'm out. Gots no time for Freud.

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I think I read a poll before on views regarding abortion. Most people are in the middle, believing that abortions should be legal but legislate them so they are harder to get in certain cases and less common. I'm firmly in that camp. Just because someone is pro-life does NOT make them want to kill the doctors or flat out ban them all.


I think we need to have China adopt all of our culture. They would gain the lax attitude we have, enabling us to catch up on their economy, education and they would benefit from curtailing their population with abortion.

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Originally Posted by sickdsm

Apparently you have a nice monitor.
:lol

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Monitors have nothing to do with it.

You really are clueless when it comes to vaginas.

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Originally Posted by TeyshaBlue

If it passes, which it has no chance in hell of doing so, then you can get all worked up, red faced, and have your little brand of "fun".

Until then, it's a bill.

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Bouton's is latching on to an unintended technicality I think. The black and white of a law always has some unintended loop hole. That's why no we enjoy the unintended facts of things like anchor babies.

I guess the wording could be intentional, but I doubt it.

I have at times stressed the need of all bills/laws having a purpose and scope attached, to separate the intent of the law from the technicalities it creates.

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Originally Posted by boutons_deux

What is "clearly" the intent of the law?

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Would have to read the whole bill. Does it have a "purpose and scope" attached at the beginning?

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Originally Posted by boutons_deux

What is "clearly" the intent of the law?

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My first thought would be shooting a criminal who is acting with a weapon.

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Originally Posted by jack sommerset

More important what is the intent of an abortion? Do they want to take a life for a life?

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My first thought was the bill was being misread, and making abortion a justifiable homicide.

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Originally Posted by jack sommerset

If some congressmen wants to try to pass a law saying it's cool for the father to kill the doctor (throw mommy in there for shits and giggles), for killing his kid, I am all for it. That will never ever ever happen in a MILLION years but I like some of the messages it sends.

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Abortion has killed more life than evil men like Hitler. Not many people of the time would disagree with killing Hitler as a justifiable homicide.

Ooops...

My bad...

Just opened the bill. The first line reads:

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FOR AN ACT ENTITLED, An Act to expand the definition of justifiable homicide to provide for the protection of certain unborn children.

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However, a disclaimer at the top also says this:

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This bill has been extensively amended (hoghoused) and may no longer be consistent with the original intention of the sponsor.

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Now "certain unborn children" is not "all unborn children."

Now on the side of it not being used to justify killing abortion doctors, it does say this:

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if there is reasonable ground to apprehend a design to commit a felony, or to do some great personal injury, and imminent danger of such design being accomplished.]

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It should be understood, the firt like was introduced like this:

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FOR AN ACT ENTITLED, An Act to provide that the use of force by a pregnant woman for the protection of her unborn child is an affirmative defense to prosecutions for certain crimes.

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It appears it was amended to make it fail.

You vigilantes here who support self-deputized gun fetishists killing abortion clinic people (why just the doc? why not blow away all the clinic people?) love to respect the Constitution and SCOTUS when you agree with them, but are willing to murder people when you don't. You represent the best of America, American civilization at its crest.

The myth was that America is a Nation of Laws, not men, but you tea bagging right-wingers are destroying that myth, where America is a nation of men who make up the law as they go along and ignore any law they don't agree with. You know, like dubya's DoJ "lawyers" justifying torture, nullifying habeas corpus, and the entire financial industry in multi-year, serial fraud.

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Originally Posted by jack sommerset

Dude,...It's a human life. Around 50 million people in this country have abortions since 1973. Over 90 % of them had the "procedure" for selfish reasons. They admitted it. "I'm not ready for a kid" "I don't know who the dad is" "I was drunk" "He said he would pull out" "I have 2 years left and I get my bachelors" "I just got this job" "I'm not ready" I think it's safe to say there are 30-40 million of examples like this on why these mothers (glad you agree they are mothers) had the life terminated. I can't think of to many reason why anyone would want to abort a kid but forgetting to take birth control pill or I don't think it's my husbands baby should be one of the reasons.

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Still their decisions, not yours.

Who gave you the moral high-ground to define what's 'selfish'? Do you want to impose your moral values onto others?

If what you're trying to tell me is that some people regret having abortions after the fact... then, okay, that might be the case. It's still their decision to do it or not, based on their own values. You don't have to agree with them.

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Originally Posted by jack sommerset

I'm not cheerleading for any religious group, I get our country has killed innocent peeps durning wars and yes in alot of cases I am outraged by that. Our country gives me the power to voice my opinion and that opinion as silly as you may think it is says abortions is the murder of innocent life. I think it's straight up gangster shit killing most of these kids. Do I understand why some get abortions? Yes. Do I support everyones decisions on abortion? No. Do I think the laws should change on abortion. Yes. Do I know exactly what we should do? No. I know abortion have gotten out of control in this country. I think you even know they have.

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There's nothing wrong with having an opinion about abortion, and expressing it. Ultimately though, it's irrelevant seeing that you have no authority over the person with the decision-making process, which is the person carrying the fetus.
When you move past opinion and try to codify your moral standards into laws though, then you're crossing a line. I'm not surprised you agree with the attempt of imposing your moral-high ground on others though.

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Originally Posted by jack sommerset

If some congressmen wants to try to pass a law saying it's cool for the father to kill the doctor (throw mommy in there for shits and giggles), for killing his kid, I am all for it. That will never ever ever happen in a MILLION years but I like some of the messages it sends.

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What message is that? That doing a constitutionally-protected work for hire could get you murdered? For a society that strives to uphold the rule of law, it's absolutely the wrong message.

And where do you think the buck stops with this? The law doesn't specifically target doctors. Does somebody that induces an abortion through non-medical means is automatically fair game for murder? Is a mother taking the morning-after pill also a target?

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Originally Posted by sickdsm

Is the Dad of no concern?

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Not really, no. Does he carry the fetus?

Here's the 1/25/11 version, before the derailing amendments:

HOUSE BILL NO. 1171

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FOR AN ACT ENTITLED, An Act to provide that the use of force by a pregnant woman for the protection of her unborn child is an affirmative defense to prosecutions for certain crimes.

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Originally Posted by Wild Cobra

Abortion has killed more life than evil men like Hitler. Not many people of the time would disagree with killing Hitler as a justifiable homicide.

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Cardiovascular diseases have killed more life than Hitler...
Do you really want the government to tell you what your diet should be?

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Originally Posted by Wild Cobra

Here's the 1/25/11 version, before the derailing amendments:

HOUSE BILL NO. 1171

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I really don't understand why that's needed, to be honest. Doesn't that fall within personal defense?