"Christian" bubbas at it again: legal to kill doctors who perform abortions

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Originally Posted by v2freak

I've also heard people argue condoms should be outlawed because it serves the same purpose as abortion - it blocks the creation of life during sex. I would say no human life has been terminated as a result of using a condom.

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wtf

only religious nutjobs would argue that

"people argue condoms should be outlawed because it serves the same purpose as abortion"

That people would be the hard-core doctrinaire position of the Catholic Church, where only rhythm and coitus interruptus are acceptable birth control methods.

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Originally Posted by Blake

what kind of law would you propose?

what's your stance on the morning after pill?

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I'm not sure. As of right now it's the womens choice, period. I would start with fathers rights. I would like to start with the baby's life but obviously that has gone nowhere the past 30-35 years so lets see if we can save a life so that dad is not screwed by mommy killing his kid.

The morning pill is down right sinister. If you know there is a kill pill you can eat up the next day because you have concerns some dude splashed his load in your snatch I would guess you know about many other birth control methods that would have prevented the concern in the first place. Fucking pretty sick if you ask me that someone has the mentally ability to wake up after a night of fucking and poison their body to kill a potential kid. Pill should be banned

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Originally Posted by ElNono

Uh? A hard stance to me would be that neither the mother or the father gets to choose.

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By hard I mean brutal. A well educated human rights advocate young man like yourself can come up with a reason, a law that could prevent some of these sensless killing instead of the stale old heartless take that a women can do whatever she wants with her body concerning whether a life lives or dies under any circumstance. That's hardcore brah.

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Originally Posted by jack sommerset

By hard I mean brutal. A well educated human rights advocate young man like yourself can come up with a reason, a law that could prevent some of these sensless killing instead of the stale old heartless take that a women can do whatever she wants with her body concerning whether a life lives or dies under any circumstance. That's hardcore brah.

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Maybe a well educated person like yourself can explain why the life of the kid is more important than the life of the mother.

To me there's nothing senseless about the current system. Au contraire, I think it's exactly how it should be.

As a woman, the rhetoric of this issue is so disturbing to me.

Why assume that father's rights aren't being considered in a woman's decision to terminate her pregnancy? Why assume that an abortion is necessarily the result of poor decision making or irresponsibility? The woman's irresponsibility, specifically.

Are there women out there who make bad choices? Of course. Are there women out there who decide to terminate a pregnancy without consulting the father, or perhaps without even informing him that she's pregnant? Of course. But that's not all women. And, even without researching, I'd feel pretty secure in suggesting that it's not most women. By a long shot. As I've suggested before, the decision to terminate a pregnancy is, by and large, not made casually. Nor is it a decision made only as a result of poor planning or irresponsiblity -- most of the women I know who have had an abortion (which, admittedly, is not a huge number) were in committed, long term relationships and had been careful in taking steps to prevent pregnancy specifically because they knew they and their partner were not yet in a position to start a family.

The point where this argument turns into one in which women shouldn't make these decisions about their own body because they're inherently incapable of doing so responsibly skeeves me right out. Too blatantly connected to the longstanding patriarchal suggestions that women, as a whole, are stupid and/or manipulative.

But women should be in the kitchen, not deciding about life and death!

That's what men do!

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Originally Posted by ElNono

But women should be in the kitchen, not deciding about life and death!

That's what men do!

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Blue or not, CF is gonna kick yer ass for that.:lol

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Originally Posted by TeyshaBlue

Blue or not, CF is gonna kick yer ass for that.:lol

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:lol

Nah. I appreciate sarcasm.

And would have recognized it there even without the fancy colors.

Kick his ass anyway. He's getting mighty cocky in here.:ihit

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Originally Posted by ElNono

Maybe a well educated person like yourself can explain why the life of the kid is more important than the life of the mother.

To me there's nothing senseless about the current system. Au contraire, I think it's exactly how it should be.

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Brutal brah but atleast your being honest with me. The kid dies, mommy lives. A women decides she might not look so good in a bikini so she has a doctor kill the baby. My education, my morals says the kids life is more important. The law needs to be changed.

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Originally Posted by jack sommerset

Brutal brah but atleast your being honest with me. The kid dies, mommy lives. A women decides she might not look so good in a bikini so she has a doctor kill the baby. My education, my morals says the kids life is more important. The law needs to be changed.

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Since it's so important to you, what are you doing to amend the constitution to outlaw abortions once and for all and say fetal life is more important than biologically adult female life?

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Originally Posted by CuckingFunt

As a woman, the rhetoric of this issue is so disturbing to me.

Why assume that father's rights aren't being considered in a woman's decision to terminate her pregnancy? Why assume that an abortion is necessarily the result of poor decision making or irresponsibility? The woman's irresponsibility, specifically.

Are there women out there who make bad choices? Of course. Are there women out there who decide to terminate a pregnancy without consulting the father, or perhaps without even informing him that she's pregnant? Of course. But that's not all women. And, even without researching, I'd feel pretty secure in suggesting that it's not most women. By a long shot. As I've suggested before, the decision to terminate a pregnancy is, by and large, not made casually. Nor is it a decision made only as a result of poor planning or irresponsiblity -- most of the women I know who have had an abortion (which, admittedly, is not a huge number) were in committed, long term relationships and had been careful in taking steps to prevent pregnancy specifically because they knew they and their partner were not yet in a position to start a family.

The point where this argument turns into one in which women shouldn't make these decisions about their own body because they're inherently incapable of doing so responsibly skeeves me right out. Too blatantly connected to the longstanding patriarchal suggestions that women, as a whole, are stupid and/or manipulative.

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Considering you hate men for the most part and could careless about a fathers right maybe you can get behind a change in the law that would stop women from getting multiple abortions.

England, brah.

Why do you need Big Government to enforce your moral issue with abortions, Jacko? Get out there and carry a sign around. It's your 1st Amendment right.

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Originally Posted by jack sommerset

Considering you hate men for the most part and could careless about a fathers right maybe you can get behind a change in the law that would stop women from getting multiple abortions.

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So now you want to keep a government database of the medical records of every woman in the US to make sure she doesn't have what you have decided to be too many abortions.

Par for the course.

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Originally Posted by jack sommerset

Brutal brah but atleast your being honest with me. The kid dies, mommy lives. A women decides she might not look so good in a bikini so she has a doctor kill the baby. My education, my morals says the kids life is more important. The law needs to be changed.

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Not always. Sometimes the kid dies inside mommy, cause internal bleeding and both die. Sometimes mommy has a high risk pregnancy, and has a heart attack when delivering. Then mommy dies and the kid lives.

The fetus is not biologically dependent on you or your morals, which makes your opinion pretty much irrelevant.

I'm glad science was used to determine who's at higher risk, and thus who should make the decision, and not morals. You teach morals, you don't impose them on others.

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Originally Posted by ElNono

Not always. Sometimes the kid dies inside mommy, cause internal bleeding and both die. Sometimes mommy has a high risk pregnancy, and has a heart attack when delivering. Then mommy dies and the kid lives.

The fetus is not biologically dependent on you or your morals, which makes your opinion pretty much irrelevant.

I'm glad science was used to determine who's at higher risk, and thus who should make the decision, and not morals. You teach morals, you don't impose them on others.

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I'm not talking about a kid dying in mommys belly from natural causes. You know this. I'm not talking about the risk mommy has to her heart. You know this. You actually are using "science" as a reason why mommy kills baby because mommy thinks she won't look good in a bathing suit. Science!!!!

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Originally Posted by jack sommerset

I'm not talking about a kid dying in mommys belly from natural causes. You know this. I'm not talking about the risk mommy has to her heart. You know this. You actually are using "science" as a reason why mommy kills baby because mommy thinks she won't look good in a bathing suit. Science!!!!

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this thread usually always comes back to when we all disagree at what point we can call it a baby.

I'm surprised it hasnt by now.

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Originally Posted by jack sommerset

I'm not talking about a kid dying in mommys belly from natural causes. You know this. I'm not talking about the risk mommy has to her heart. You know this. You actually are using "science" as a reason why mommy kills baby because mommy thinks she won't look good in a bathing suit. Science!!!!

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That you want to circumscribe this to a single example, doesn't mean it's the only example. I gave you others just as valid.

The only thing in common is that the fetus is still biologically dependent on the mother (with or without a bikini). The one running the medical risk of carrying through with the pregnancy is the mother.

Not the father. Not your morals.

That's a fact supported by science.
Now, you can keep on pandering about bikinis, 'father rights', or morals. It's truly irrelevant.

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Originally Posted by Blake

this thread usually always comes back to when we all disagree at what point we can call it a baby.

I'm surprised it hasnt by now.

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Me too....With that said you are either pregnant or not.

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Originally Posted by Blake

this thread usually always comes back to when we all disagree at what point we can call it a baby.

I'm surprised it hasnt by now.

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It normally happens when people start discussing wether it's considered murder or not. We're really addressing who should make the decision, regardless of how you consider the act.

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Originally Posted by ElNono

That you want to circumscribe this to a single example, doesn't mean it's the only example. I gave you others just as valid.

The only thing in common is that the fetus is still biologically dependent on the mother (with or without a bikini). The one running the medical risk of carrying through with the pregnancy is the mother.

Not the father. Not your morals.

That's a fact supported by science.
Now, you can keep on pandering about bikinis, 'father rights', or morals. It's truly irrelevant.

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It's truly not. Science does not give the reasoning for a couple to decide to have a kid and after the women gets pregos says "I just got this promotion at work" and decides to terminate the life. El NoNo thats not science. That's not the kid dying from natural causes, thats not the mom having an abortion that could potentially save her life. Son, that's fucking despicable and some would say murder (me) I find it hard to believe you would support such actions .