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The first part removed deals with work permits. Isn't that a silly notion anyway, using tax payer dollars and possibly delaying employment to where it's impossible to make things happen? States are under budget crunches. Would this not be a reasonable cut?
Now they wholesale removed other sections. I'll bet they were redundant to other laws. I don't know about you, but I have seen more than one law cover the same thing. One gets changes, then is in conflict with another.
Re: More red-state insanity: Missouri Lawmaker Pushes Bill Rolling Back Child Labor L
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Wild Cobra
Random...
Now that I got you to read the bill, please note the entire section refers to the entertainment industry, and therefore hotels/motels are not needed to be included in an assumption of cleaning rooms, etc. Some hotels offer entertainment. You know, like stage performances...
Indeed it does. It appears as though the primary intent was to encourage film industry jobs, by outlining the protection of child actors etc.
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So WC, do you think that the OP's comment
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This act modifies the child labor laws. It eliminates the prohibition on employment of children under age fourteen. Restrictions on the number of hours and restrictions on when a child may work during the day are also removed. It also repeals the requirement that a child ages fourteen or fifteen obtain a work certificate or work permit in order to be employed. Children under sixteen will also be allowed to work in any capacity in a motel, resort or hotel where sleeping accommodations are furnished. It also removes the authority of the director of the Division of Labor Standards to inspect employers who employ children and to require them to keep certain records for children they employ. It also repeals the presumption that the presence of a child in a workplace is evidence of employment.
... is all leftist lies? Or are you going by this NEW argument?
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Now they wholesale removed other sections. I'll bet they were redundant to other laws. I don't know about you, but I have seen more than one law cover the same thing. One gets changes, then is in conflict with another.
Which is it?
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LnGrrrR
So WC, do you think that the OP's comment
... is all leftist lies? Or are you going by this NEW argument?
Which is it?
The bill does not say it eliminates restrictions for those ages. It only eliminates restrictions that were in this one bill. What do you think the chances are this is covered in another law already? I don't know about you, but we normally have several redundant laws on the books.
Seriously... Without reviewing every labor law, how can they accurately say it removes restrictions?
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Wild Cobra
LOL...
You lefties are really stretching to make Red States look bad. I suggest you read the bill before saying it's bad, else prove yourself a useless idiot of the leftist agenda.
SENATE BILL NO. 222
More insane propaganda and lies from the leftist media. that's all it is.
Boutons...
Don't you ever verify anything before posting it? I guess it's true if it comes from one of your favorite leftist sites, huh?
By the way, the section I posed here was that of the official Missouri Senate.
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Winehole23
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SB 222 – This act modifies the child labor laws. It eliminates the prohibition on employment of children under age fourteen. Restrictions on the number of hours and restrictions on when a child may work during the day are also removed. It also repeals the requirement that a child ages fourteen or fifteen obtain a work certificate or work permit in order to be employed. Children under sixteen will also be allowed to work in any capacity in a motel, resort or hotel where sleeping accommodations are furnished. It also removes the authority of the director of the Division of Labor Standards to inspect employers who employ children and to require them to keep certain records for children they employ. It also repeals the presumption that the presence of a child in a workplace is evidence of employment.
MICHAEL RUFF
http://www.senate.mo.gov/SenateStaff/
Ruff, Michael B-9 751-4666 Research
Mr. Ruff's summary appears to be intended to be the "official" summary, especially since the linked summary is on the senate's website.
FWIW
Not sure who then is responsible for enforcement of these laws. It removed authority, without saying who then became responsible.
That, to me, seems to be eliminating oversight.
Without knowing the specifics of what was intended, that conclusion is not entirely as solid as I would like, though.
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Any fair reading of this seems to be the overall weakening of child labor laws, though.
Re: More red-state insanity: Missouri Lawmaker Pushes Bill Rolling Back Child Labor L
So? Does it make what I said wrong?
Re: More red-state insanity: Missouri Lawmaker Pushes Bill Rolling Back Child Labor L
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Wild Cobra
The bill does not say it eliminates restrictions for those ages. It only eliminates restrictions that were in this one bill. What do you think the chances are this is covered in another law already? I don't know about you, but we normally have several redundant laws on the books.
Seriously... Without reviewing every labor law, how can they accurately say it removes restrictions?
:lol Really WC? Let's look at this logic.
"It's ok if this bill eliminates restrictions, because there might be another bill with those restrictions. The gov't often has several redundant laws on the books."
Tell me WC, what sense does that make? If the law often has several redundant laws, what is the point of stripping them from THIS bill? If the law is covered somewhere else, why would they take the extra step of removing them from this bill in the first place?
And to top it off, do you really think that the lawmakers looked through every other piece of work legislation before they wrote this one down? If so, you have way more respect for legislators then I do.
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SB 222 – This act modifies the child labor laws. It eliminates the prohibition on employment of children under age fourteen. Restrictions on the number of hours and restrictions on when a child may work during the day are also removed. It also repeals the requirement that a child ages fourteen or fifteen obtain a work certificate or work permit in order to be employed. Children under sixteen will also be allowed to work in any capacity in a motel, resort or hotel where sleeping accommodations are furnished. It also removes the authority of the director of the Division of Labor Standards to inspect employers who employ children and to require them to keep certain records for children they employ. It also repeals the presumption that the presence of a child in a workplace is evidence of employment.
Re: More red-state insanity: Missouri Lawmaker Pushes Bill Rolling Back Child Labor L
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Wild Cobra
So? Does it make what I said wrong?
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You lefties are really stretching to make Red States look bad. I suggest you read the bill before saying it's bad, else prove yourself a useless idiot of the leftist agenda.
SENATE BILL NO. 222
More insane propaganda and lies from the leftist media. that's all it is.
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Missouri State Sen. Jane Cunningham (R) is pushing a bill which would dramatically claw back state child labor protections. As the bill’s official summary explains:
This act modifies the child labor laws. It eliminates the prohibition on employment of children under age fourteen. Restrictions on the number of hours and restrictions on when a child may work during the day are also removed. It also repeals the requirement that a child ages fourteen or fifteen obtain a work certificate or work permit in order to be employed. Children under sixteen will also be allowed to work in any capacity in a motel, resort or hotel where sleeping accommodations are furnished. It also removes the authority of the director of the Division of Labor Standards to inspect employers who employ children and to require them to keep certain records for children they employ. It also repeals the presumption that the presence of a child in a workplace is evidence of employment.
To be fair, children in Missouri would still enjoy robust protections against exploitation even if Cunningham succeeded in repealing all child labor laws in her state, thanks to the federal Fair Labor Standards Act. But far right lawmakers have declared war on federal child labor laws as well. In a lengthy lecture delivered before his election to the U.S. Senate, Sen. Mike Lee (R-UT) praises a discredited 1918 Supreme Court decision declaring child labor laws unconstitutional. That decision, which Lee holds out a model for his tenther vision of the Constitution, was unanimously overruled by the Supreme Court in 1941.
As recently as the day before President Obama moved into the White House, it was difficult to imagine even the most conservative lawmakers breaking with the 70 year-old consensus surrounding child labor laws. Welcome to the post-Tea Party era, where even the most bizarre and disastrous mistakes from America’s past are part of the right-wing’s agenda.
They quoted the official summary, in it's entirety, as well as noting that the child labor laws were not entirely gutted, something intellectually honest and fair.
You didn't read the link, to note any of this. You simply dismissed it out of hand.
You hack.
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A great example of the Repug/red-state "jobs" policy. This is how the WC and other conservative assholes want the US laborers to be competitive with China, India. Work for peanuts, no benefits, non-stop intimidation by employers, and STFU.
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Can we please get away from this stupid fucking Upton Sinclair type picture of what kids working is in the US?
There aren't legal sweat shops here... Kids aren't going to be hired because they can fit under the boiler...
The old laws are outdated because there are several layer of protection laid over the top. This allows kids that want to work longer hours and make more money do so!
What the hell is wring with that?
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Sec24Row7
The old laws are outdated because there are several layer of protection laid over the top.
Regarding child labor protections, I'm ok with "extra" laws built in.
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Sec24Row7
This allows kids that want to work longer hours and make more money do so!
That's certainly a better argument than WC's. I myself worked at the age of 14. It's a double-edged sword, allowing children to work. I honestly haven't done the research to determine if this will indeed make it easier for children to work without protecting basic oversight.
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LnGrrrR
Regarding child labor protections, I'm ok with "extra" laws built in.
That's certainly a better argument than WC's. I myself worked at the age of 14. It's a double-edged sword, allowing children to work. I honestly haven't done the research to determine if this will indeed make it easier for children to work without protecting basic oversight.
Certainly kids shouldn't be even DOING some jobs, leave those protections in and open their services up to the rest of the workforce... the protections I was talking about that are redundant... are like say... a 40 hour work week...
Kids like a regular employee should be able to work 40+ if they are compensated justly...
They don't need time limits more than a regular modern worker, so those laws dealing specifically to child labor time restrictions can be removed.
