Iraqi Defector Admits Lying About WMD to Topple Saddam Hussein

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Iraqi Defector Admits Lying About WMD to Topple Saddam Hussein

KARLSRUHE, Germany -- A defector whose claims that Iraq had biological weapons were used in justifying the 2003 U.S. invasion has admitted that he lied to help get rid of Saddam Hussein, The Guardian newspaper said Tuesday.

"Maybe I was right, maybe I was not right," Rafid Ahmed Alwan al-Janabi told the British newspaper.

"They gave me this chance. I had the chance to fabricate something to topple the regime. I and my sons are proud of that and we are proud that we were the reason to give Iraq the margin of democracy.

"I had to do something for my country, so I did this and I am satisfied because there is no dictator in Iraq any more," he added.

Janabi, codenamed Curveball by German and American intelligence officials, told the BND, Germany's secret service, that Iraq had mobile bio-weapons trucks and had built clandestine factories.

The BND confronted Janabi with a statement from Bassil Latif, his former boss at the Military Industries Commission in Iraq, who said there were no trucks or factories.

"OK, when [Latif says] there no trucks then [there are none]," the paper reported Janabi telling the BND.

Despite his admission, Janabi said security officials continued to take his claims seriously. They told him in 2002 that his pregnant wife might not be allowed to join him in Germany if he refused to cooperate.

The faulty information Janabi provided helped form the cornerstone of former U.S. secretary of state Colin Powell's key address to the United Nations on Feb. 5, 2003.

During the speech, Powell described Janabi as "an Iraqi chemical engineer" who "supervised one of these facilities."

"He actually was present during biological agent production runs and was also at the site when an accident occurred in 1998," Powell told the U.N..

Janabi said he was "shocked" by Powell's speech, but played down his role in the conflict.

"Powell didn't say I was the only reason for war, he talked about three things -- uranium, al Qaeda in Iraq and my story [biological weapons]," he said.

And he accused the BND of having broken an agreement that they would not hand over his information to other countries.

Tyler Drumheller, the former CIA chief in Europe, said Janabi's "fascinating" admissions "makes me feel better."

"I think there are still a number of people who still thought there was something in that, even now," Drumheller told The Guardian.

German authorities approached Janabi in 2000 after identifying him as a Baghdad-trained chemical engineer with possible inside intelligence of former leader Saddam's regime.

Janabi, who fled Iraq in 1995, denied that he lied to the BND in order to secure asylum, claiming he did it purely to topple Saddam.

"I had a problem with the Saddam regime, I wanted to get rid of him.

"Believe me, there was no other way to bring about freedom to Iraq. There were no other possibilities," he said.

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http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/02...stnews#content

So we were duped... :rolleyes

So?

Our politicians lie to us all the time to create new laws like Health Care Reform.

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Originally Posted by Wild Cobra

So?

Our politicians lie to us all the time to create new laws like Health Care Reform.

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war is on par with health care reform....

mmm k.

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Originally Posted by George Gervin's Afro

war is on par with health care reform....

mmm k.

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Just another lie for an agenda. Ethically, not much different.

Wouldn't say duped, more went along with the story.

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Later saw, that OP is quoting Fox News...and they did some creative editing.

Straight from the horse's mouth:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011...-lies-iraq-war

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Janabi claimed he was first exposed as a liar as early as mid-2000, when the BND travelled to a Gulf city, believed to be Dubai, to speak with his former boss at the Military Industries Commission in Iraq, Dr Bassil Latif.
The Guardian has learned separately that British intelligence officials were at that meeting, investigating a claim made by Janabi that Latif's son, who was studying in Britain, was procuring weapons for Saddam.
That claim was proven false, and Latif strongly denied Janabi's claim of mobile bioweapons trucks and another allegation that 12 people had died during an accident at a secret bioweapons facility in south-east Baghdad.
The German officials returned to confront him with Latif's version. "He says, 'There are no trucks,' and I say, 'OK, when [Latif says] there no trucks then [there are none],'" Janabi recalled.
He said the BND did not contact him again until the end of May 2002. But he said it soon became clear that he was still being taken seriously.
He claimed the officials gave him an incentive to speak by implying that his then pregnant Moroccan-born wife may not be able to travel from Spain to join him in Germany if he did not co-operate with them. "He says, you work with us or your wife and child go to Morocco."
The meetings continued throughout 2002 and it became apparent to Janabi that a case for war was being constructed. He said he was not asked again about the bioweapons trucks until a month before Powell's speech.
After the speech, Janabi said he called his handler at the BND and accused the secret service of breaking an agreement that they would not share anything he had told them with another country. He said he was told not to speak and placed in confinement for around 90 days.
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Originally Posted by Wild Cobra

So?

Our politicians lie to us all the time to create new laws like Health Care Reform.

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yeah or things like

"war on drugs"
"the communists are taking over"
"the immigrants are destroying us"
"the extremist muslims will take over the whole middle east"
"death panels"
"there is no birth certificate"
"barak is a muslim"

etc,etc,etc

dubya and his criminal posse intimidated the MSM into going along with their lies, calling anybody who challenged pro-terrorist, anti-American, and traitors. Germany, France, and millions of Americans were right. The Repugs, neo-cons, corporate America were criminally negligent and the real traitors.

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Originally Posted by Wild Cobra

Just another lie for an agenda. Ethically, not much different.

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How many American servicemen and women have been killed from health care legislation?

1000?

3000?

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

How many American servicemen and women have been killed from health care legislation?

1000?

3000?

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hmmm....

may have to check Arizona numbers

[googling Jan Brewer]

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Originally Posted by Blake

hmmm....

may have to check Arizona numbers

[googling Jan Brewer]

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The feds run google, use a carrying pigeon.

So GW didn't lie. Puts that conspiracy to bed.

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Originally Posted by jack sommerset

The feds run google, use a carrying pigeon.

So GW didn't lie. Puts that conspiracy to bed.

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Sure, he just was so obsessed with Saddam that he would believe anything anyone said about him.

That's such a comfort for all the dead soldiers.

You been preaching for years he lied, now you can just stick with he is stupid.

Rummy tries to pin all the blame on dubya's obession with Saddam, dubya trying to out-man his wimpy father who refused to invade Iraq after Koweit was cleansed.

Rummy was therefore "just a Good German" responsible for nothing, following dubya's orders to invade Iraq.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

How many American servicemen and women have been killed from health care legislation?

1000?

3000?

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Listen up, Leftie Lucy! Maybe no one has died from health care legistlation, but your kind is killing the American Dream because the costs are going up. Money out of Americans pockets to pay for rising insurance is a lot like killing the Dream that our country is founded upon.
War = Healthcare "reform" = all the same ethically.

GW did the right thing, look at all the jobs he created for the PMC industry. Put that in your pipes and smoke it!
Rafid's lie = The Founding Fathers telling the truth = all the same ethically.

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Originally Posted by jack sommerset

You been preaching for years he lied, now you can just stick with he is stupid.

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The outright lies were said by Cheney and Rummy. Bush encouraged it and used their lies to his advantage, so he's as much a liar as anyone.

He is also stupid, if that makes you feel better.

Bush is not a liar but encourage those who were lying to him even though he believed the lies so that makes Bush a liar. Makes sense. Good job. Mommy will be proud.

dubya is a LIAR

BUSH LIED.

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Originally Posted by jack sommerset

You been preaching for years he lied, now you can just stick with he is stupid.

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He was so anxious to go into Iraq, that instead of further confirming the information regarding WMDs, he jumped on it and sent the US in.

that's not just stupid, that's despicable.

http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/.../03/casket.jpg

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Originally Posted by Wild Cobra

So?

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Originally Posted by jack sommerset

You been preaching for years he lied, now you can just stick with he is stupid.

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In Jack's eyes, being stupid is much better.

I don't think he is stupid, I think he got bad info on WMD. We're still there so..................

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Originally Posted by jack sommerset

I don't think he is stupid, I think he got bad info on WMD. We're still there so..................

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Obama got bad info in regards to obamacare..oh well

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

How many American servicemen and women have been killed from health care legislation?

1000?

3000?

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don't be stupid chump it's the exact same thing

I thought they still are translating the documents...

Tbh, Obamacare is much worse because there are going to be death panels, not just deaths.

No wonder our intel was wrong.

Even if our intel had been right, our leadership was defective. At the time, any evidence not conducive to GWB's obsession with going to war war with Iraq was discarded as erroneous or naive.

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Originally Posted by Winehole23

Even if our intel had been right, our leadership was defective. At the time, any evidence not conducive to GWB's obsession with going to war war with Iraq was discarded as erroneous or naive.

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Sounds a lot like your average ST political forum thread. :downspin:

dubya certainly has/had serious emotional and intellectual defects and diseases, but the obsession with Iraq (oil) was pushed hard (dubya never pushed/achieved anything) by the Repugs, neo-cons, PNAC before SCOTUS elected dubya. dubya was just the useful idiot placeholder.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project..._Clinton_years

Rumsfeld says in his book, basically, Iraq was pushed by dubya, but Rumsfeld was a key member of PNAC.

You realize that under the rule of Saddam the majority of us AND our families would be killed for the political shit we post?

I wouldn't be so sure that isn't still the case.

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Originally Posted by The_Worlds_finest

You realize that under the rule of Saddam the majority of us AND our families would be killed for the political shit we post?

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Saddam would have a internet kill switch.

Yet 4000 + families would still have family members

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Originally Posted by coyotes_geek

Sounds a lot like your average ST political forum thread. :downspin:

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The more things change...

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Originally Posted by Winehole23

I wouldn't be so sure that isn't still the case.

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It's not as bad, u are correct Sunnis Kurds shittes all still dislike each other

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Originally Posted by The_Worlds_finest

You realize that under the rule of Saddam the majority of us AND our families would be killed for the political shit we post?

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But we don't live in Iraq.

We never have.