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Originally Posted by ElNono
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No. It's on the list. Did you enjoy it?Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
Muslim Extremism in America: A Suggested Agenda for Congressional HearingsQuote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
Chocked full of links. Have fun.
The Fort Dix Six, Hassan, this Jihadi today...all figments of this fear?Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant
The country is still standing, no?
If you're scared, get a dog.
I stopped at a Borders the other day and read the summary on the back, and I regret not picking it up. I was hoping you would have read it to give me an opinion. I think I'll just pick it up next time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant
Not the point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant
Your attitude suggests the concerns over Islamic extremists are unfounded. Does the country have to be completely destroyed before you would change that view?
That seems to be your absolutist view. Do you reject the premise there are Islamic Extremists actively seeking to perpetrate terrorist acts, large or small, on targets within the United States?
That's a 2007 article talking about Congressional hearings on Muslim extremism...Quote:
Originally Posted by Yonivore
I gather you've read through the whole thing... can you point out where it indicates the proportion of Muslims turning extremist?
I think everyone is concerned with extremists (and not just those of Islam).Quote:
Originally Posted by Yonivore
That said, your suggestion seems to be that any member of that religion is an extremist. And that is simply not true.
No, haven't followed many of the links.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
I'm satisfied the problem is significant enough to warrant concern. You're free to disagree.
A California Imam testified, in 1999, that 80% of American Mosques were radicalized.
Mediamatters.com refuted the claim by saying the Imam later recanted, indicating he was only referring to sympathy with the Palestinian cause. Read the above quote and find where he refers to the Palestinian cause.Quote:
In testimony before the U.S. State Department in 1999, Muhammad Hisham Kabbani, chairman of the Islamic Supreme Council of America, affirmed most of the mosques in the U.S. are run by extremists.
"We would like to advise our government, our congressmen, that there is something big going on and people do not understand it," he said. "You have many mosques around the United States...So the most dangerous things are going on in these mosques that have self appointed leaders throughout the United States. The extremist ideology makes them very active. We can say that they took over 80 per cent of the mosques in the United States...This means that the ideology of extremism has been spread to the youth and the new generation."
Pew Research conducted a poll where a full 25% of young Muslims, in America, supported martyrdom by suicide bombing.
I never said that and, with you, I don't believe that is true either.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
I do believe it is true that many are. I also believe it's true there is no concerted effort, on the part of non-violent or moderate Muslims, to differentiate themselves from their violent co-religionists. Hence, my name tag snark earlier.
With which other extremists do you find yourself concerned?Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
Well that must mean they support martyrdom by suicide bombing America. It's clearly a direct correlation.
To support suicide martyrdom in pursuit of Jihad, at all, should be a concern -- I'm not sure Pew differentiated between which targets would be suitable for such action -- but, that aside, it wasn't the only point of my post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spurminator
So the supporting evidence of your fear is a 12 year old claim from a California Imam?Quote:
Originally Posted by Yonivore
Whatever drives your confirmation bias, I guess...
You mean this poll?Quote:
Originally Posted by Yonivore
Besides of the fact that it's still a vast minority, you do realize that if some find it justifiable in some instances doesn't mean they're willing to go out there and do it themselves, right?
I mean... the proof is in reality. More people have been murdered from your local homicides than terrerist attacks for the past 10+ years. You would think that if 2.5 million are hell bent on destroying the country you would have seen more than just a few of isolated incidents.
But if you choose to live scared of the big ugly Islam clerk in 7-11, then by all mean don't let me stand in the way between you and your bigotry.
I was under the impression that the thread title was a referencing to the religion, and thus it's followers as a whole.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yonivore
Should we interpret that when you say the "Religion of Peace", you mean only the extremist elements in them?
What do you suggest they do to differentiate themselves?Quote:
Originally Posted by Yonivore
How do you prevent the extremist types from not doing the same?
Hey there Mr. Vice President!Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
Yeah, I'm the bigot.
The fact there have been numerous incidents involving Islamic Extremist terrorists, in the United States, since that 1999 statement -- Congressional testimony, actually -- tends to support there is source for this extremism in our country.
Continue to live in denial. They want to kill you too.
The kind that sends Anthrax letters through the mail and we've not identified yet. The Unabomber kind. The McVeigh kind. The Skinheads kind.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yonivore
The bubbas that come around here talking about shooting immigrants on sight come to mind too.
Do you understand satire?Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
It wouldn't hurt for the moderate Muslims to expose the radical, extremists Mosques and Imams. That would probably differentiate the two groups with a fairly bright line.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
The extremists are welcome to do the reverse and expose the moderate Mosques. However, I don't see that as the result and, possibly, neither do the moderates -- which could be the source of their reticence.
Watch out... next time you're buying a six pack, don't forget he's out to get you!Quote:
Originally Posted by Yonivore
Nobody is denying that there could be a source for extremism in this country. That doesn't equate to labeling every worshiper of said religion as one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yonivore
I interact with different Muslims throughout the day. Pretty much impossible not to around these places. What do you suggest that I do? Lock myself up at home?Quote:
Originally Posted by Yonivore
It doesn't matter how many times you try to mischaracterize my premise, I never said every Muslim was an extremist.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
Did I say that?Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
I thought it was, until you tried to start explaining how they're all seemingly alike.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yonivore
Has it occurred to you that maybe the do? And maybe the actual extremists are such a small amount which is what makes them hard to track down?Quote:
Originally Posted by Yonivore
What's stopping the extremists from pretending to be moderates on their daily lives?Quote:
Originally Posted by Yonivore
I've done no such thing. You've gotten into this all by yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yonivore
You said they want to kill me too. I'm asking what should I do to avoid them, seeing that since we can't seemingly tell the good from the bad, we should be fearing them all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yonivore
Never said that.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
Yes, that's occurred to me. Can you point to an instance when this has occurred?Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
Nothing. This Lubbock Jihadi apparently fit right in. Hassan was getting his extremism fed to him over the internet. The 19 hijackers of 9-11 spent a great deal of time trying to blend in before the act.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
Your initial response is to dismiss the concern as some type of Right wing phobia. It's obvious, the threat is real. It's just as obvious there doesn't seem to be a concerted effort on the part of our government or the moderate Muslim community to even acknowledge the danger -- much less do anything about it, except criticize those who express the concern as Islamophobes.
Where did I suggest all Muslims are extremists?Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
Denial seems to work for you just fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
Thank God there are law enforcement elements who aren't in denial and are willing to sift through the mountains of leads that allow them to stop Jihadis such as the one they caught today.