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03-03-2011
leemajors

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Originally Posted by symple19

fuck apple. Congrats to everyone who likes paying more for less

I see you've sunk to OP's level here.
03-03-2011
DarkReign

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Originally Posted by SpursNextRomanEmpire

Fuckin creepy

Sooooo, I followed the link to YT and stumbled upon this acid trip.
03-03-2011
Viva Las Espuelas

Re: Ipad2

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Originally Posted by Cry Havoc

http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2011/03/...toll-on-truth/

Steve Jobs' reality distortion takes its toll on truth
Posted by Seth Weintraub
March 3, 2011 9:20 AM

Apple twisted facts and used an erroneous quotation to try to convince crowds that all other tablets had no shot at de-throning the iPad in 2011.

In what seems like a ritual at this point, I watched Apple's iPad 2 keynote in disbelief, noting the factual errors that kept coming up minute after minute. See previous:

* How Steve Jobs turned a finger spot into a death grip
* Google responds to Steve Jobs' activation counting accusations
* Why does Android have Steve Jobs rattled?

So, let's get started: As part of the opening iPad bullet points, Apple included this gem:

http://fortunebrainstormtech.files.w...9-pm.png?w=600

"First dual core tablet to ship in volume." That's funny, I tested a Dell (DELL) Streak 7, which had a dual core Nvidia Tegra 2 chip in January. They've been shipping ever since on T-Mobile.

In volume.

Of course, the Motorola (MMI) XOOM also has this same dual core processor and is certainly shipping in volume as well. In fact, I've been using an Android phone (the Atrix) with a dual core chip for weeks and it wasn't the first to ship in volume. As for Apple (AAPL), they haven't shipped one iPad 2 yet -- iPad 2's hit shelves on March 11.

Perhaps this has to do with Jobs' subjective view of 'Volume' which may start at whatever numbers iPads are currently selling? And 'ship'? Well, I don't know.

That was just the beginning. He next pulled out a thoroughly debunked, mis-translated quote from a Samsung VP:

Some people only hear what they want to hear, but that quote should have ended with "quite smooth." That translation was officially corrected a long time ago. Shame on Apple Keynote fact-checkers, if such a role even exists.

That leads us to:

">90% market share". OMG Math.

Both Apple and Samsung measure sales the same way -- into the channel. Apple has just as many points of sale for the iPad as Samsung has for the Tab and likely many more. So Samsung sold 2 million (in the last quarter) in 2010. Apple sold 14.8 million (in three quarters). That seems like a pretty fair comparison.

Apple would have needed to sell 3.2 million more to reach 90% of 2010's tablet market share against just Samsung alone (in triple the time). That's not including all of the Android-powered Nooks out there, those cheap $100 Androids you can buy at Walgreens or Amazon and even Windows-powered Tablet PCs (which are mentioned two bullet points above!). If you choose to include the Kindle, Apple may not have even reached 50% of the market.

Perhaps Jobs meant market share of tablets that start with the letter "I."

And finally, pricing:

As for pricing, Jobs compared the most expensive Android tablet -- the XOOM --against the iPad. While specs don't matter to the typical consumer, components do largely affect the price of a device. The XOOM's are simply better. It has (expandable) 32GB of storage built in and 3G built in (upgradable through a painful mail-in process to 4G). So, on that alone, it compares with the $729 iPad.

But then consider that the XOOM has a much better, bigger 720P+ screen compared to the iPad's 1024x768 job (it has less Retina™). Then, add far superior cameras (w/flash), stereo speakers (iPad 2 has one), 4G and a micro-USB/SD Card reader. Apple won't say how much RAM the iPad has, but I'm willing to bet it is about half of the XOOM's 1GB.

You see, Apple loves to talk about specs when it is in its best interest (speeds and feeds). There are plenty of specs on size and weight that were repeated over and over:"8.8mm thin", "1.3 lbs". Tech Specs? Lots: "Retina display has 326PPI", "1GHz Dual Core Processor", "64GB of storage", "Fingerprint-resistant oleophobic coating", "Back camera: Video recording, HD (720p) up to 30 frames per second with audio; still camera with 5x digital zoom", etc. etc. But ask them how much RAM the iPad has and they'll tell you it doesn't matter.

Perhaps Jobs could have also compared the iPad 2 to other Android tablets' prices? Samsung's Galaxy Tab and Dell's Streak both now start at $499 and have better cameras, 3G radios and GPS, which seem to compete well with Apple's $499 Wifi-only offering. Reality distorted.

I have a lot of respect for Steve Jobs and Apple's products. It's just a shame that all the truth-bending destroys the keynotes.

Here's the whole video (play distortion bingo with a double shot of Kool-Aid?):

:lmao
03-04-2011
Cry Havoc

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But no, honestly, I gotta hand it to Apple. It's not the dazzling leap forward I was hoping for, but the iPad 2 does look pretty freakin' amazing. I just don't need one yet. Maybe I'll consider getting a tablet type device next year. The thinness of the iPad2 is just crazy, and they're obviously going to sell extremely well. I think it's odd that they have to put down the competition in their keynotes, considering they seem to be a company that's all about taking the high road, but meh, it is what it is.

Would be really nice to hook a bluetooth keyboard up to it for heavy typing as well.
03-04-2011
Cry Havoc

Re: Ipad2

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Originally Posted by symple19

fuck apple. Congrats to everyone who likes paying more for less

You don't really pay more for less. You pay more for sexy instead of specs. Nothing wrong with that as long as you realize what you're doing.
03-04-2011
Fpoonsie

Re: Ipad2

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Originally Posted by DarkReign

Sooooo, I followed the link to YT and stumbled upon this acid trip.

Yeah, I've seen that a few times now and it still kinda fucks w/ me.
03-04-2011
ElNono

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I'm more interested in the faster speed. The iPad 1 is pretty snappy, but it can bog down on certain sites.

Let me add I can't stand that Scott Forestall dude. He just comes across as a total douchebag. Jobs is ruthless and has his reality distortion field too, but he's more of a charismatic guy.
03-04-2011
ElNono

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BTW, typing all this on an iPad :D
03-04-2011
Cry Havoc

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Originally Posted by ElNono

BTW, typing all this on an iPad :D

How fast can you type on it? I average ~110ish on full size keyboards and probably around 40wpm on my phone (closer to 60 with Swiftkey, I think).
03-04-2011
ElNono

Re: Ipad2

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Originally Posted by Cry Havoc

How fast can you type on it? I average ~110ish on full size keyboards and probably around 40wpm on my phone (closer to 60 with Swiftkey, I think).

I've no idea, really. But I'm normally chilling out when I use it (In bed right now) so I just use two finger typing :lol

I guess people that need to type more extensively can use a BT keyboard.
03-04-2011
in2deep

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It's an interesting phenomena this tablet/phone thing. A lot of my friends buy a new iphone/ipad every year it comes out. It's crazy IMO. They say 'i'm a tech guy'. no mofo, you are an addict to technology and it's nothing to be proud of.

I have my iphone 3g from 3 years ago and fixed it myself 4 times already (broken glass, lcd, headphonejack,etc) I really don't see the need to upgrade every year.

Thus I am not a fan of Apple and their strategy. Also not a fan of the fact they lock down the Operating System. Crazy. I will buy a tablet where you can install any OS you want and pretty much do anything with the hardware. That is my dream tablet. I will not buy a locked down tablet. Especially one that does not play Flash :pctoss

btw, any chances of that dream tablet coming out?
03-04-2011
Cry Havoc

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Originally Posted by in2deep

btw, any chances of that dream tablet coming out?

Definitely. Any tablet not by Motorola or Apple will suit your needs... give it a few months and you'll have your dream machine.
03-04-2011
in2deep

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awesome. I can imagine a linux termintal in one virtual machine, visual studio in another, netflix and on the video phone with someone all from the tablet sitting on my couch while watching the spurs game :D :D :D
03-04-2011
Mixability

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I was hoping for a retina display, but i still want it.
03-04-2011
Cry Havoc

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Originally Posted by Mixability

I was hoping for a retina display, but i still want it.

:lol What buzzwords will do to people's sensibilities. Retina display. That's just hilarious. :lmao
03-04-2011
Mixability

Re: Ipad2

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Originally Posted by Cry Havoc

:lol What buzzwords will do to people's sensibilities. Retina display. That's just hilarious. :lmao

http://www.apple.com/iphone/features...a-display.html

Buzzword? I just thought the iPad 2 would get the same screen as the iPhone 4.
03-04-2011
Jt.ONE

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lol ipad
03-04-2011
lefty

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Originally Posted by Cry Havoc

:lol What buzzwords will do to people's sensibilities. Retina display. That's just hilarious. :lmao

Its that good

The retina display on my iPhone4 is stunning
03-04-2011
leemajors

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Originally Posted by Cry Havoc

:lol What buzzwords will do to people's sensibilities. Retina display. That's just hilarious. :lmao

What about HTC's incredibly inventive phone names? And let's not forget Samsung - CAPTIVATE! GALAXY!
03-04-2011
Cry Havoc

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Originally Posted by leemajors

What about HTC's incredibly inventive phone names? And let's not forget Samsung - CAPTIVATE! GALAXY!

It's the difference between Ford naming their new car the "Edge", and saying that it has a "Prescient steering wheel". One is giving the product a name, the other is hyping a feature by using a pointless buzzword. Make no mistake though, it's smart on Apple's part, because people fall for that kind of hype hook, line, and sinker. :lol Retina display. Like it's made of human eyes or something. :lol
03-04-2011
Mixability

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Regardless of its name, the screen resolution is amazing. If liking it enough to want it on another product is "falling for" buzzwords.... then so be it.
03-04-2011
lefty

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Retina Display FTW
03-04-2011
Cry Havoc

Re: Ipad2

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Originally Posted by Mixability

Regardless of its name, the screen resolution is amazing. If liking it enough to want it on another product is "falling for" buzzwords.... then so be it.

Because you call it retina display instead of what it is... 640x960.
03-04-2011
resistanze

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I have nothing against Apple (I have the 3Gs, might be getting iPhone 5) but I can't stand Apple marketing - I feel like shooting myself in the head whenever see a keynote speech.
03-04-2011
Mixability

Re: Ipad2

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Originally Posted by Cry Havoc

Because you call it retina display instead of what it is... 640x960.

I couldn't remember the exact specs, so I didn't mistakenly reference them. I knew it was called retina, so i referred to it by its trade name. I didn't get caught up because it's a buzzword, i like it because I've seen it on the iPhone. I don't see what the big deal is. Geez

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