Ignorant inbreads rejoice...
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Now if you didn't know anything about either religion...who would you think are the crazy radicals???
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Ignorant inbreads rejoice...
Article.
Now if you didn't know anything about either religion...who would you think are the crazy radicals???
So how is a Muslim shooting US military in Germany tied to Sharia/Muslim paranoia in USA?
What about those on-average 34 Americans murdered yesterday? Isn't American-on-American murder a bigger threat?
btw, if TX and USA have a civil war and MX intervenes to bomb the fuck out of TX, I know TX bubbas will be shooting Mexicans for year to come in revenge. Sorta like that shooter in Germany.
Why Do They Hate Us? Because UCA invades, bombs, fucks up, occupies, rips off their countries.
oh no, he's reaching for a koran!!!
I want to see them shred the Koran, then burn it!
They beheaded him, right?
Just a reminder of how stupid red neck most Americans are. As if I needed it.
Let me know when commercial airliners crash into Mecca, Medina, etc.
You want to compare causality lists? Because its not even close when you compare how many Muslims America has killed.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarrinS
Oh NOOOOO!:dramaqueeQuote:
Originally Posted by Oh, Gee!!
Whatever you say, boutons.Quote:
Originally Posted by MannyIsGod
I thought you were better than them... guess not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
I always love when I see that "Coexist" bumper sticker. Out of all those groups, which one is not coexisting peacefully?
Are you advocating the behavior of the individuals in the above video? Just curious, because that's the issue being discussed here.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarrinS
So the way you show them how ignorant some of them are, is to be as ignorant as them?
Also interesting to note: The woman who's so concerned with the soul of the man praying, talking up Christianity, and then being unable to even recite the entire 23rd Psalm, bumbling over half of it.
Christians can't be bothered to know anything about Christ. Silly Havoc, maybe you should go Cry...Quote:
Originally Posted by Cry Havoc
.. See what I did there?
:depressedQuote:
Originally Posted by Drachen
Wish I had a way to convey that trombone sound after a bad joke "Bwahhhhh wooooooo"Quote:
Originally Posted by Cry Havoc
And?Quote:
Originally Posted by MannyIsGod
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Originally Posted by Cry Havoc
No, but they didn't get violent, did they?
Is being non-violent the only standard for accepatble behavior?Quote:
Originally Posted by DarrinS
Are you seriously suggesting that more Americans or Christians have died then Muslims?Quote:
Originally Posted by DarrinS
http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/mideast/RS22537.pdf
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Originally Posted by Vici
Last time I checked, it's not illegal to be a jackass in the United States.
Who said what they were doing is illegal?Quote:
Originally Posted by DarrinS
http://www.godhatesstupidpeople.com/...rch-Signs.jpegQuote:
Originally Posted by DarrinS
http://americansfortruth.com/uploads...11_message.bmp
Good to see that Muslims have a monopoly on hate speech, DarrinS.
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You want to compare causality lists? Because its not even close when you compare how many Muslims America has killed.
You would be rather shocked at the number of ancillary civilian deaths from the actions of US forces both in Iraq and Afghanistan.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarrinS
It is *far* more than the number of people killed on 9-11.
Al Qaeda and its ilk have done their part as well in bloodthirsty indescriminant bombing, as well to be sure, but we have far more blood on our hands than you will ever see on Fox "news".
Sorry, that is reality, however uncomfortable.
That particular report didn't differentiate between causes of death in Iraq.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vici
It is hard to ferret out just how many deaths that can be blamed implicitly on the US, since those figures likely include many deaths from Al Qaeda bombings, sectarian hit squads and so forth.
It does, however, puts the statment "they are better off now than they used to be" firmly into the "debateable" category.
As bad as Saddam's goons were, and as sadistic as his sons were, even Saddam's bloody reign would have a hard time reaching the levels of sheer carnage that the post-invasion occupation entailed.
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Originally Posted by RandomGuy
Collateral damage: damage that is unintended or incidental to the intended outcome.
Sorry, that reality doesn't make me uncomfortable.
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Originally Posted by RandomGuy
Pure fiction.
That may be the single most shameful thing I have seen you say.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarrinS
It should make you uncomfortable, even if it was unintended.
"Ooops" is still shitty to an 11 year old with no arms or legs, Darrin.
Do you think that Saddam, even at the height of his power and repression was killing thousands of his own people every month?Quote:
Originally Posted by DarrinS
Ultimately, our decision to invade was the cause, if somewhat indirect of ALL the violent deaths, even those not directly caused by us. THat was what I meant.
We bear that moral culpability.
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Originally Posted by RandomGuy
We could always go back to carpet bombing.
So you honestly believe more Americans have died at the hands of Muslims than the other way around?Quote:
Originally Posted by DarrinS
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Originally Posted by Gutter92
Do you think collateral damage is equivalent to acts of terrorism?
I'm pretty sure the victims would see it that way.
As do terrorist recruiters. But let's not worry about that because we are morally absolved when it's "war."
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Originally Posted by Randomguy
Really? That's what you are going with?Quote:
Originally Posted by DarrinS
"It isn't as bad as it could be or used to be, so I'm comfortable with it." ???
That is a lame attempt to rationalize the immoral.
I fully understand and accept that such things are going to happen in a war zone, but there is a vast gulf between being "comfortable" with such things and not.
There is no doubt in my mind that you would endlessly lecture anybody you perceived as supporting "bad liberal policies" even if those policies had good intentions, and that strikes me as being deeply hypocritical.
I know you have some need to "stick it" to liberals, but this... is repulsive.
That you would allow your ego to trump your sense of ethics or morals, says a lot. Maybe you said/typed it without really thinking about it, but the attempt to rationalize it means you bought into it even so.
That is a very good point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spurminator
"Those deaths don't matter, because we are fully justified in our actions" is EXACTLY what the fuckwagons with the bombs strapped to their chests think, when they wander into a crowded area, or dive bomb an office building with a passenger jet.
If you become "comfortable" with those deaths, you take on the moral character of the people we are presumedly fighting.
The ends don't always justify the means.
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Originally Posted by RandomGuy
I am comfortable that our guys don't purposely try to kill innocent people.
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Originally Posted by RandomGuy
Wow. Just, ... wow.
Hey, they do things to piss us off. It is a flaw in my character. I like to do things that torque people like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
Don't let dumb people make you do dumb things. It's not the dumb people's fault that you do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
What's so "Wow" about that?Quote:
Originally Posted by DarrinS
You don't think those douches do it for some higher calling or however rational or irrational justification?
Here's some crap by tea baggin Islamophobe losers
Tea Party Protests Muslim Women's Shelter Benefit
Who protests a fundraiser for women's shelters and combating homelessness? If the event is put on by a Muslim organization, then of course it must be loyal American "Patriots" like the local Tea Party organization and North Orange County Conservative Coalition.
"Let me tell you what is going on over there right now. Make no bones about it -- That ls pure, unadulterated evil," said a city councilwoman at the protest.
Protesting outside a benefit? Yelling at a families full of children as they walk down the sidewalk? Telling Muslim residents of California, "Stupid terrorist, go home! Go home! Go home!" while yelling they must beat their wives and be child molesters?
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These tea baggers assholes are exactly the same type of people who lynched blacks. Give these tea baggers some rope.
I only do it when it puts someone in a frenzy. Think about what shredding then burning the Koran would do. How many death threats would I have if I did it? What would the price be on my head?Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
Sorry, but it's fun to watch out of control asses at times.
Wouldn't that depend on how "collateral damage" came about?Quote:
Originally Posted by DarrinS
:lol I love this shit
It would validate the idea that you're dumb doing dumb things. Would it be any different that burning the Bible or the US Constitution for that matter?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
There's dumb extreme people of all kinds out there. Being more or less radicalized it's still radical... and dumb.
I think it's pretty sad actually. It shows both immaturity and an inability to get your point across in a respectful manner.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
That's not really what it seems like you said earlier.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarrinS
I am not sure if you are (rightfully) backpedaling, or just guilty of not being able to fully form or express an idea.
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"Those deaths don't matter, because we are fully justified in our actions" is EXACTLY what the fuckwagons with the bombs strapped to their chests think, when they wander into a crowded area, or dive bomb an office building with a passenger jet.
Ok, Darrin you seem not to believe this is how terrorists justify mass killings of civilians.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarrinS
How do you think they rationalize it?
Give me your in-depth analysis of the average Al Qaeda's worldview. Do tell.
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Originally Posted by RandomGuy
The difference is, the mass killings of civilians is their GOAL, not some unfortunate consequence.
Do you think the families of the dead care if the U.S. meant to kill their loved one?Quote:
Originally Posted by DarrinS
"and now we can see the internet poster has deployed the "but we didn't mean to" defense... let's see how it works out"Quote:
Originally Posted by DarrinS
Obviously is not their goal, seeing that there's a multitude of civilians living in many of those countries. Much like any other extremist group, the murdering of civilians is a way for them to call attention to their cause, which is their ultimate goal (an abhorrent way to do so, obviously).Quote:
Originally Posted by DarrinS
Going back to collateral though, when 'unfortunate consequence' includes your wife and children dead under a pile of rubble that you used to call home, right or wrong can change very rapidly.
Being comfortable with 'collateral' implies you're aware and comfortable also with said collateral's side effects.
If, by their "cause", you mean going to heaven, then I agree with this statement.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
I'm comfortable that the US military goes to extraordinary measures to minimize collateral damage.Quote:
Going back to collateral though, when 'unfortunate consequence' includes your wife and children dead under a pile of rubble that you used to call home, right or wrong can change very rapidly.
Being comfortable with 'collateral' implies you're aware and comfortable also with said collateral's side effects.
By the way, why do you guys want to keep comparing our military with jihadists? That's pretty sad.
Call it dumb if you want. It's one of the few ways I exercise control sometimes over people I hate. Seeing how much I can piss someone off. It's fun to see them lose control.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
That depends. The only reason why I would burn the Koran would be if I wanted to piss off a radical. I don't know of anyone that would take burning the constitution or bible as a blow against his god that needed justice with a killing.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
True. Don't you at times like to just piss someone off? You seem to like to piss me off at times!Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
What can I say. We all have our bad sides. Maybe I should have gone to church Sunday. Wait... I haven't been to church in more than 30 years! I no longer like Organized religion. Use to go for the girls. Church girls can be so naughty, but acts so pure...Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
No actually it isn't their goal. They very clearly outline what their goals are, and that is most definitely not one of them. That is pretty much provably and factually incorrect.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarrinS
People like to believe this, because of some infantile emotional need to simplify problems to a level that can be easily understood.
It is like trying to model something with computers and putting in bad starting assumptions. Yeah, I went there.
They utilize mass killings to acheive their goals, and aren't at all squemish about it. That is what I meant by the statement.
You want to draw a much more clear good guy/ bad guy line in rationalization of action, and the world just isn't that black/white.
Once *again*, reality is just not as simple as you want it to be.
The 'cause' can be many, but it's frankly irrelevant.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarrinS
That's not what you said. You said you were comfortable with collateral damage. Nothing wrong with changing or clarifying your stance though.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarrinS
I'm realistic and understand that collateral damage happens, but I'm also realistic that there's side effects to said collateral.
We're comparing motives that drive both to do what they do. They're not necessarily the same motives or moral latitudes, but that doesn't mean certain facets are not comparable (ie: that they have certain drives for doing good/bad). Why do you think that's sad?Quote:
Originally Posted by DarrinS
You outlined the important distinction, in tactics. The US military does not use mass killings of civilians to achieve strategic goals.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarrinS
This gives the military a lot more moral authority to people, and that is, by any senior officer account I have read, highly important in the type of war we are fighting.
Let's get to brass tacks and be perfectly clear.
Do you admit that we, in the course of our military operations, kill innocent civilians? yes or no will do.
Are you comfortable with those deaths? yes or no.
What kind of control you think you're exercising? What happens if they don't lose control?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
Anyone radical? I can see where they would take that as an offense punishable by death.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
I also have to take from this that when you see a demonstrator somewhere burning an american flag you're overjoyed and proud we live in a country free to do that, correct?
I enjoy pushing the issue when I suspect the other person is lying. That sometimes can cause the other person to get pissed off, but it's really a side-effect.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
I think trolling can be entertaining, but at the end of the day it's still dumb. You're not going to be taken seriously by doing dumb things obviously.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
Dresden just called and said you've lost your mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by RandomGuy
I think Hiroshima and Nagasaki disagree as well.
Which just illustrates how plastic the definitions of terrorism and warfare actually are.
Good points both.Quote:
Originally Posted by TeyshaBlue
Perhaps I should have inserted the words "currently" in there.
Dresden was still shameful and unethical, IMO.
Hiroshima and Nagasaki... erk. Hard calls. Given the overall level of Japanese fanaticism, that is not as easy to fill in.
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Originally Posted by RandomGuy
I am comfortable that the US military goes to great lengths to minimize those.
What were the "strategic goals" of islamic terrorists?
So you think it's justified because we didn't mean it? That seems a rather interesting take.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarrinS
I mean, if my brakes fail and I accidentally hit a kid, should I just go to the parents and say, "Hey, my brakes failed, but I didn't mean it, so don't blame me."?
To mire us in unwinnable, unaffordable wars in Muslim countries, for one.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarrinS
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Originally Posted by LnGrrrR
You probably wouldn't go to jail for that, would you?
Why is that?
Q: What is Sharia?Quote:
Originally Posted by fraga
Man holding anti-sharia sign: "um... uh...."
:rolleyes
Do your own work. I am a bit tired of doing it for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarrinS
If you want to try the burden of proof card, feel free to provide some first-hand statements that say that "killing innocents" is a primary goal of Al Qaeda.
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Let's get to brass tacks and be perfectly clear.
Do you admit that we, in the course of our military operations, kill innocent civilians? yes or no will do.
Are you comfortable with those deaths? yes or no.
Didn't really answer either question, did you?Quote:
Originally Posted by DarrinS
You are such a god-damned fucking weasel sometimes. Shit.
Well, the guy was obviously there to provoke them, based on what it said on the back of his jacket.Quote:
Originally Posted by fraga
"I witness that there is no God but Allah, and Mohammed is a messenger...on[ obscured -rg]
Allah"
Even so, they acted like jackasses.
If a group of muslims had done that to a Christian who was praying, we all know we would never hear the end of it from Fox "news" and company.