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Some NAACP supporters plan to boycott the Detroit arm's annual fundraiser over an honor for Kid Rock they say doesn't mesh with the civil rights group's goals.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_locald...-naacp-boycott
Isn't this faggot from Detroit? What's he doing reppin' the stars and bars.
They should ask that.
why is the NCAAP honoring him? It didnt say.
Are any of the nouns in this article even relevant?
Kid Rock has a Black drummer. He's made music with Black People. He's from Detroit and helps inner city youth. Racist? No. Oreo that embraces the Confederate flag even though he was raised in the Union? Hell yes.
Which goal? You mean their goal of not embracing slavery...Quote:
Originally Posted by jack sommerset
His bitch ass needs to pick a side and stick with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stringer_Bell
I never understood the mentality of those who hate a symbol that stands for other things as well. I'm sorry, but just because the confederate states were slave states, doesn't mean all it's symbols should be held in contempt. That flag did not stand for slavery.
:lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
you probably meant to say they arent celebrating slavery when they hold up the flag, just this attitude that says they can fight back against a govt they felt was doing them wrong, but unfortunately slavery cannot be separated from the issue because what was it the south was mad enough about to want to secede? slavery. the flag and slavery are tied together no matter how many try to dance around the issueQuote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
Now now, WC has a right to agree with what the Confederate REALLY stands for - the right to refuse the government's position when you believe it is wrong (i.e. when it intrudes upon your ability to make a living or personal freedom, i.e. when the suits shut down your entrepreneurial aspirations because IN THEIR HUMBLE FUCKIN OPINION you shouldn't have negros working your cotton fields). in fact, we could use some of that same spirit, that's why a lot of us appreciate the Tea Party.
Ya'll could learn from me and WC. *wink*
he should be boycotted for being a poser detroit cowboy wannabe who totally ruined "sweet home alabama" and "werewolves of london" for me.
that said...he has just as much of a right to fly that dumb flag as the NAACP has to boycott him.
Kid rock sucks ass
+1Quote:
Originally Posted by the reckoning
Ok, I'm with yaQuote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
Wait, what?Quote:
That flag did not stand for slavery.
http://pics.blameitonthevoices.com/062009/kidrock.jpg
High Toppin' it baby!
Um no, flame thrower. I'm going out on a limb here and say Kid Rock is not a racist. The flags means to him and many, many others, states rights, rebellion against the government and individualism. Means the right to live the way you want to live it and slavery has nothing to do with it. I do not think slavery/kkk/rednecks/racist when I see the confederate flag no matter how hard people like you try to make me.Quote:
Originally Posted by DMX7
Not my fault that some people are too stupid to separate facts. Slavery was not the only issue. There were other reasons for secession. Southern people were proud, with or without slavery, and believed strongly in the 10th amendment. The constitution was seriously harmed when the north won.Quote:
Originally Posted by DJ Mbenga
Consider the probability that is slavery didn't exist, that the north still wanted to treat the southern states poorly. What if we would have had secession and a civil war with no slavery? Do you really think it was only because of slavery?
Need me to repeat that?Quote:
Originally Posted by greyforest
The confederate flag did not stand for slavery.
The confederate flag was created as the new national flag for the southern stated. Nothing more. The battle flag, same thing. Their flag for war.
Are you from Texas like most here? Did you know Texas flew six different national flags over it's history? Should we shun the other five because they are not our national flag?
Not everything of the confederate states was bad. Some people still hold pride today, of the south's struggle for independence. I think most today would say that pride has nothing to do with slavery.
Isn't freedom from oppression a noble goal?
I'm appalled at how many people are so prejudiced against that flag. A flag of freedom. Blacks and whites alike should be celebrating what it stands for. Slavery was already oppressive. The confederate flag did not create slavery. Though it did not include the slaves for it's intent of freedom, that's exactly what it is. A symbol of freedom.Quote:
Originally Posted by jack sommerset
People... Please remember, some whites were slaves too!
oh, well in that case...Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
Whatever it once stood for is immaterial now. The swastika used to be a good luck symbol, but I don't think you could get away with wearing one in public claiming that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
That would depend on what the surrounding circumstances were, wouldn't it. Besides, the swastika is a mirror image of it. It's turning the opposite way, so you are wrong. They are not the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by LnGrrrR
It's a symbol of the freedom to own slaves!
Do you think the general public would care that it was a mirror image? People who choose to wear/display the Confederate flag are free to do so, but with the realization that a good amount of people are free to think of them as racist.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
Do I think Kid Rock is racist? No. But because he uses a Confederate flag, some people are bound to.
Of course, Kid Rock, yourself and others can try to change that view of the flag. I just doubt it will be too successful.
Ignorance is one of the most difficult things to combat, especially when the black community like to use it as a racial wedge.Quote:
Originally Posted by LnGrrrR
So basically the confederates were a bunch of retarded slave owners who couldn't make a proper flag.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
the redneck raised a redneck flag. Wow. shocking
If you were related historically to people who were oppressed by those flying that flag, you might think otherwise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
Tell me, when people wave the Mexican flag at rallies, are you offended by it?
Seriously WC, are you EVER on the sensible side of an issue?? EVER??
whottt used to argue how a black man once owned a white slave.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Threads like these make me miss whottt.
I'm surprise more people don't find old red, white and blue racist. It's was flying over this country before, durning and after the slave era.
Ignorance is especially bad when someone continually paints an entire race with a broad brushQuote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
Not with my level of historical understanding. It is clear to me that to disparage someone for a symbol they hold dear, is prejudiced. Aren't we trying to fight prejudice? Now why do the same people who call for stopping prejudice, raise it every chance they get? I'm sorry, I hate hypocrisy.Quote:
Originally Posted by LnGrrrR
It depends on what the rally is about. I have no problem with national pride, why, do you? Are you speaking of a party on Cinco de Mayo, or a gathering of people from MS-13? The reason is what matters, not the symbol.Quote:
Originally Posted by LnGrrrR
More so than you.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaNuMaNiAc
Why is it not sensible to hate hypocrisy and disagree with political correctness? Why are you beholden to the authoritarian control nature of what PC requires? Why don't you believe in the freedoms of this nation?
Have you ever seen a black community, as a whole, that doesn't have a racial mindset blaming whites? I specified community. That does not mean all individuals. I don't consider my words "using a broad brush," like assuming the rebel or confederate flag stands for oppression of slaves. That's a broad brush.Quote:
Originally Posted by George Gervin's Afro
Tell me. What are black community leaders always saying, should I say painting of white people?
Probably because the union behind lincoln got it right. The confederacy was forced to get it right.Quote:
Originally Posted by jack sommerset
The civil war was fought over secession, not over slavery.
Really? :lol So if I disparage the Nazi swastika, I'm prejudiced? :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
You seriously have a warped view of things sometimes.
Do you think that EVERY person who flies the confederate flag does so only because they support state's rights?
Tell me, do you even know why Kid Rock uses the Confederate flag? Or are you just guessing what he's thinking? Why not use that critical skepticism you love?
I love the two extremes you present. Really speaks to your worldview.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
Tell me, if a group of immigrants were to get together for a rally supporting amnesty, waving the Mexican flag, what would you think of them?
And one reason they wanted secession was due to slavery.Quote:
Originally Posted by jack sommerset
That's like saying, "The policeman shot the man because he pulled the trigger." While factually true, it doesn't really explain anything.
:lol WC. You're telling me you can't find black community leaders who aren't out to get the white man? :lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
Then you try to say you're not using a "broad brush" when you imply that no black community doesn't have a racial mindset against whites. :lmao :lmao :lmao
:lmao What freedoms are being offended here?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
The south seceded because of slavery.Quote:
Originally Posted by jack sommerset
Actually, yes. If you mean any swastika. Now if you mean specifically, the German swastika, that is different.Quote:
Originally Posted by LnGrrrR
Only when you jump to conclusions about what I mean.Quote:
Originally Posted by LnGrrrR
No, but that doesn't mean that every person who flies it is a racist either.Quote:
Originally Posted by LnGrrrR
I don't know what he's thinking. Do you?Quote:
Originally Posted by LnGrrrR
Or does it mean that I recognize there is everything in between too?Quote:
Originally Posted by LnGrrrR
That alone isn't enough for me to get a proper impression. Too many possibilities, and I am one who keeps an open mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by LnGrrrR
I haven't looked. however, every one I have ever heard blames white people one way or another rather than telling their followers that they need to improve their selves. They all seem to propagate the hatred. The closest I have ever seen in a black leadership role that reminds people it's within their own power for self improvement is Bill Cosby.Quote:
Originally Posted by LnGrrrR
I explained that. Didn't you understand?Quote:
Originally Posted by LnGrrrR
There's a public library in SA, which used to be a private residence, and if you step out on the side porch and look up, you see a number of small tile swastikas. After all these years, they're still, to my knowledge, there.
Symbols are strange things, often changing in meaning over time. When the mind numbing, media fanned 'debates' about the Confederate flag pop up, I think about those tile swastikas, still in view on a public building. Whatever the meaning was that prompted their placement once upon a time, it is now something else, though not intended. Yet they remain. A curiosity from a prior age. The true meaning is up for debate and those who point to the original meaning have a good case.
As for the display of the Confederate battle flag these days, the most charitable assumption that can be made is that one who does so wishes to be provocative, rather than celebrating the meaning ascribed to it by the Klan and friends.
There's a difference between a historical curiosity such as the tile swastikas and the loving embrace of a symbol of racial animus.
Though in the defense of Kid Rock and Cobra Commander, both strike me as provocateurs rather than true believers.
That an award to a horrid musician posing as a redneck who embraces the iconography of white supremacy, including the Confederate battle flag is actually being debated within the NAACP speaks to how strange, foolish, and vapid American life has become.
If confederates can fly the confederate flag, Neo nazi's should wave a Swastika flag around hollywood , that would be hilarious............or better yet the hammer and sickle at tea party conventions.
But yet again.. Kid Rock doing this is just the same as African Americans saying the prohibited N-word to each other......
The Landa Branch library near Trinity?Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant
http://maps.google.com/maps/place?hl...03811304695896
"The civil war was fought over secession, not over slavery."
You Revisionist Racist Liar
Pravda, the whole Pravda, and Nothing but the Pravda
I'm not a big confederate flag waiver... used to be a texas flag waiver...
That being said...
Slavery lasted a LOT longer under the US flag than the confederate one... and Lincoln didn't free any slaves under his control.
The confederate flag, to me is about states rights and an agricultural aristocracy.. that still survives today after 150 years of emancipation.
There isn't anything racist about it. The south and ALL southerners are constantly bombarded by the north and far west as being backwater hicks. They have a symbol that they identify with... that the people that constantly call them backwater hicks now want to take away from them.
Shrug. I totally see it as a symbol of pride rather than a symbol of hate for some. I totally see it being a symbol SOME hate.
It isn't being used as a symbol of hate for most people. Just because some people hate it doesn't mean the ones that use it should be forced to stop.
How far is too far before you get banned you copy/pasting automaton dork?Quote:
Originally Posted by boutons_deux
"agricultural aristocracy"
... based on slave labor.
If slavery wasn't racist, why weren't there any white slaves? Were there any voluntary white agricultural workers "slaving" alongside the Negroes?
The South wanted to keep their agricultural economy, and wealth, running on cheap black slave labor. They thought they had an entitlement to exploit slaves.
The South figured the blacks didn't have a "God-given, inalienable" RIGHT to be free men.
If Secession wasn't about slave labor, why didn't they just release the slaves rather than go to War that their agricultural economy was bound to lose to the industrial North?
edit: screw it... im not going to have a conversation with you. It's beneath me.
Yes. That would seem to be a more authentic example for those who seek to justify their provocative use of offensive symbols through a prior interpretation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Winehole23
Naturally, you have to look to find those tiles.