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absolutely he helps the offense - good 3 point shooters will always help the offense. My point is that the Spurs offense can be effective without him - I lay that in large part on Neal. Seems to me that Neal is getting more attention now than before.Quote:
Originally Posted by yavozerb
Mad? :lol Uh . . . no. You're not comprehending what I am saying. Matt Bonner's defense is not going to get much better than what you saw tonight. If he can play close to that with a couple of 3s thrown on top . . . I'll take it.Quote:
Originally Posted by underdawg
What was our record without that great shooter btw this year? I would love to see it again.Late in the year, don't count on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by ohmwrecker
It's not 1 game and it's not Bonner's fault. He really plays the best he can most games - I'd even be willing to say that for his talent he gives as much effort (if not more than some) than any other Spur player night in and night out. The point is that just like Blair (right now,) Bonner is a defensive liability and that's not going to change. And Bonner's playing time (20 mpg) will not change either - he's without a doubt a part of the rotation that Pop is going to count on in the playoffs. I'm really hoping that Pop finds gold in the playoffs and the Spurs outshoot their opponents on a consistent level.Quote:
Originally Posted by yavozerb
Why even gripe then? - I just think it's a shame to waste Duncan, Manu and Parker's final years of being together (a healthy one this year too.) This team was built to succeed with a good defense and since the focus has gone from defense to offense, the Spurs have not been successful in the playoffs.
well I think the reason why parker and ginobili were getting to the rim so easily because bonner was playing out of the paint area wouldn't it be crowded if blair, or splitter were in there? :wakeupQuote:
Originally Posted by Sean Cagney
I'm not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sean Cagney
how did Manu and Tony used to get the rim before Bonner was getting 20 mpg? Is that because they were younger and better than now? I think Tony was getting to the rim just fine tonight with Duncan and McDyess in the game - I'm not sure how Blair and Splitter would be that much different.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ditty
Bonner's stretching the floor was originally intended to help keep double teams off of Duncan. I understand that the offense is no longer going through Timmy, but I think it's tough to say that Bonner stretches the floor for Manu and Tony, since there are so many times that Bonner is left wide open because defenses sag especially to keep Manu and Parker out of the lane.
Well it was alot easier when Duncan was a force in the low post back then, that's how they got to the rim so easily, now you see nothing but pick n rolls. When you Bonner sag in half the time you either see them kick it out or throw it out of the paint. Maybe it's a play to sag the defense in to get one of three point shooters open I dunno.Quote:
Originally Posted by underdawg
Again it about no clogging up the lanes it makes it so much easier when you only have one big man in the paint, but like you said Bonner is used for keeping double teams off Duncan, but I'm pretty sure that's not the reason why.
Thank God for Bonner making Parker and Ginobili such good inside players! That's why Parker's shooting percentage suddenly shot up...oh wait Bonner was still in Toronto.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ditty
talking about tonights game brahQuote:
Originally Posted by Obstructed_View
Parker and Ginobili were getting to the rim before Bonner even came into the game, scrah. Also, you might explain how Bonner being on the floor helps Manu and Parker score on the break, kghlah.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ditty
As horrible as Bonner played tonight offensively, he wasnt TOO bad defensively, especially on the boards. He fought and scrapped for some rebounds that he normaly wouldnt come down with...
Mcdyess wasn't playing in the paint that's why? broseph :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Obstructed_View
And this makes an excuse for him out there later? He is trash IMO! He sucks, period.Quote:
Originally Posted by crc21209
So Dice does the exact same thing that Bonner does on offense and doesn't get fucking smoked by absolutely everyone that faces him on defense. Guess Bonner isn't really as valuable as you tried to make it sound, bromo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ditty
No, but shit at least he was doing SOMETHING out there. Usually when Bonner is off on his 3-point shot he doesnt contribute shit, defense, rebounding, nothing. At least tonight he was aggressive on the boards....Quote:
Originally Posted by Sean Cagney
I saw Bonner get smoke on one play against Marion tonight? I guess it really helps in Parker's and Ginobili's point of career when you don't have to be worrying about another big men in the lane on pick n rolls, I guess it just helps if Bonner is actually standing out there pretending like he is going too shoot a 3, to make defense commit. If you I accidentally wrote wrong that all of Manu, and Parker points come off Bonner's spacing then I apologize, I was just writing that he helps out with having the lanes open at times, when the other big man that is guarding Duncan and whoever ends up sagging into the paint.Quote:
Originally Posted by Obstructed_View
they got to the rim because of the zone defense dallas was playingQuote:
Originally Posted by Ditty
lol....that benny hill music fits bonner so well......how can anyone defend bonner even being the 4th best big. It even seems like he disrupts the flow of the game. like a chicken w his head cut off.
I thought he was pretty horrible... but in games like this, I think just Pop really sets him up to fail... he can't guard Marion, and he can't guard Dirk. The only matchup that works for him against Dallas is Cardinal...
He passed up shots, he missed a wide open 3, when he put the ball on the floor he looked completely lost out there. Two of his 6 rebounds were from missing a put back right at the rim, which seemingly only him can miss.
A night to forget for him and RJ...
lol spurfans angry at a win
Nothing wrong with being angry at certain aspects of the game even when you win tbh.. Bonner going 0-4 and getting torched probly doesnt translate into a playoffs win against the Lakers.. so the coaching staff shouldnt accept his performance simply because the Spurs won... butithinkyouknowthat
As long as you're angry :toast
Yo Yo it's the chumpdumper.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Funny how all the Bonner haters just post in this thread so they don't have to deal with me in my thread.