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We all know that Timmy D has slowed down and taken a more secondary role on the Spurs. Dirk is approaching 33 years old and wears his7 foot tall body out running up and down the floor. When can we expect to see a signficant decline to where he can no longer be the number one option for the Mavs?
Not anytime soon
The combination of zone D and Dirk's outside touch will extend his career
Makes sense, but he's still a really big guy. I can't think of many other bigs who have lasted much older than 33 as the number one option. Possibly number two, but not number one. I'm sure I am forgetting some of the all-time greats who stayed good into their 30s, but generally I think bigs break down around this time.Quote:
Originally Posted by lefty
dirk has never played like a big though. he doesn't really bang in the post and plays like a 7 foot guard
i think he has another 2-3 years as a top tier player on the offensive end. he's never been on the defensive end and as lefty said, zone defense helps to limit his exposure there.
doubt it. shooting guards usually have longer careers than centers/forwards
Dirk's already started to break down a little bit this season and it seemed like he was rushed back from injury. IIRC he's missed the most games this season than in any other as well.
As long as Dirk's tall and can shoot he should still be an elite offensive option and the Mavs need it as seen with their record when he was sidelined.
Imo Dirk should've already started to take a backseat in the regular season to guys like Butler and the emergence of Roddy but unfortunately for MavNation those guys were injured. The less miles for Dirk the better if Cuban wants to contend.
Off the top of my head: Karl Malone and Hakeem are great bigs that played well even in their 30's both offensively and defensively. EDIT: But yea it is rare for players to compete on a high level into their 30's especially on both ends of the court.Quote:
Originally Posted by Calispursfan11
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Originally Posted by nkdlunch
He's one good knee injury away from a downfall. If he had the foot or knee injures Duncan has had, he'd be on his last leg also.
The Decline has already happened. Dude is shooting .528 .424 .888. Will only get worse.
What would he wear down from? He never played a man's game to begin with, like Duncan. He's played as easy as possible a game for a big man throughout his career. There's no reason he should suddenly begin to struggle shooting fade and fall away mid-range jumpers over defenders four inches smaller. That's not based on athleticism or mobility.
Did Dirk ever have a first stand?
easy as possible? He's perhaps the only person in the world who can regularly knock down jumpers like he does. No other big man has a shooting touch like his.Quote:
Originally Posted by TD 21
His game will decline but to his advantage with more experience he will stop choking...
That's sooooo true. Love or hate the Mavs, you gotta respect Dirk an all he has done. The man is wet. Wetter the water itself. Lmao, but seriously he can't be stopped if he put his head down an his mind to it. It's like you think everything he throws up is going in . An if for some reason he misses, you gotta go down an get 2. You just gotta if you want a chance to win. Id rather Dirk take my last shot over anyone in the Nba.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lukor
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Originally Posted by Calispursfan11
That.Quote:
Originally Posted by ernest787
I recall a reporter asking DRob one time how worn out he felt after playing against the run n gun Nuggets of the early 90s.
To paraphrase, he said he felt good and that he would rather do that all night instead of bang down low with the bigs.
lol noQuote:
Originally Posted by jermaine
Who would you rather?Quote:
Originally Posted by Blake
Dirk gets a ton of hate from people.
I don't really understand why? He's a genuine superstar who stays in his element.
So what if he's a "pussy" 7 foot shooting guard? Talk about someone having to CARRY his team.. he does it year in and out without complain.
When I can't root for the Spurs, I root for Dirk.
I'd rather have Manu take the last shot.Quote:
Originally Posted by jermaine
I wasn't clear on one point. The way I wrote it, it reads as if I'm inferring Duncan, like Nowitzki, didn't/doesn't play a man's game, which is in fact the opposite of what I meant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lukor
I don't necessarily mean it disparagingly, though I know it'll be interpreted strictly as such. What I meant was, he plays an easy game. In the sense that he's not routinely banging in the post against players of similar and greater size/strength, he's never been counted on to anchor a defense and all that encompasses, from a shot blocking, rebounding standpoint. He's routinely guarded by players significantly smaller, who have no chance at bothering his shot. He's also been saved from guarding the majority of dreadnaught post players. Among 7-footers, only him and Garnett have enjoyed that luxury. Always had to have someone else to do the dirty work for them.
Kobe for one.Quote:
Originally Posted by jermaine
I might be biased, but I'd also prefer Manu over Dirk.
If you want to really want to get to it, go into the NBA forum downstairs and start a poll thread on clutchest players in the NBA.
Dirk mighhht finish top 5.
Fair enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by TD 21
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Originally Posted by Blake
What the fuck are you talking about? He would finish top 3 at the worst. His late game stats back it up. You're talking out of your ass.
But then again, this is coming from the guy who said he would take Ben Wallace over Hakeem.
ok, then top 3 would be in the top 5. 3 wouldnt surprise me, but I doubt it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greg Oden
I'm going by some of the things I've read from of your krompadres.
My curiosity has peaked enough to start a rare thread downstairs.
you're talking out of your ass.Quote:
But then again, this is coming from the guy who said he would take Ben Wallace over Hakeem.
right because you didn't say that :rolleyes
right because I never said I would take Ben over Hakeem in the general sense you are throwing out here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greg Oden
Why are you being a dumbfuck? :lol
Is it because of tonight's disappointing performance by a top 3 clutch player?
saying he was a better defensive player because he he has more DPOY awards (:lol) than Hakeem is retarded.
Is Camby a better defender than Duncan?
Right now, yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greg Oden
cool maybe Blake meant Ben Wallace was a better defender present day as well!
Hakeem is on the Mt. Rushmore of bigmen, offensively and defensively...anybody taking Ben Wallace over him is a fucktard
Ben has 4 DPOYs in a 5 year span.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greg Oden
I give the nod to Ben having the better defensive career than Hakeem.
saying simply that I would "take Ben over Hakeem" when I didnt is more retarded.
Camby's had one incredibly great defensive year in 07 where he won the award.Quote:
Is Camby a better defender than Duncan?
For his size, he's been a very good rebounder, but Duncan has been better, averaging a full rebound and a half more over the course of their careers.
Blocked shots: Camby 2.6 Duncan 2.3
Aside from his one DPOY, he's been a defensive first teamer twice and a second teamer twice.
Duncan has been a first teamer 8 times and a second teamer 5 times.
Nod goes to Duncan because he has more than 3 times as many total defensive team selections, imo.
any more? or is this about the time you just throw out an lol wallace?
retarded zingQuote:
Originally Posted by Greg Oden
by your very own criteria, Camby > Duncan, defensively speaking.
this doesn't need to be hashed out any more. Taking Ben Wallace over Hakeem in any aspect of the game is bad enough.
Winning an award means a lot by my creteria, but I've never said it was the only creteria.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greg Oden
Again, why are you being such a dumbfuck tonight?
Was it really because of the way the Spurs came into Dallas and manhandled the Mavs?
The only other player to have 4 DPOYs is Dikembe. Nobody else has 3.Quote:
this doesn't need to be hashed out any more. Taking Ben Wallace over Hakeem in any aspect of the game is bad enough.
I'm still good with saying Ben had the better defensive career even if you're still stuck on tonight's crushing loss.
:lol I'm not the one making retarded statements like Ben Wallace is a better defender than Hakeem based on DPOY (:lol)
Ive never seen you take a mavs loss this hard before. :depressedQuote:
Originally Posted by Greg Oden
It'll be better when I chow down some McDonald's breakfast in the morning.
In the general sense of the word, Ben is a great defensive player. But Hakeem was a superstar.
I think we will see at least another 2 years at this level from Dirk.Quote:
Originally Posted by Calispursfan11
Very reasonable prediction IMO, although I've also noticed that his rebounding has dropped off quite a bit this season. This may be a prelude to a significant dip in production even sooner. Part of this might be the addition of chandler, however, who eats glass very well thereby reducing the need for Dirk to board.Quote:
Originally Posted by Agloco
The Mavericks don't really have a number #2 option because I don't consider Terry a legitimate option (he is a clown).
A ton of pressure has been on Dirk since Nash and Finley left Dallas. He has done a really good offensive job and while he is not a fearsome defender - I would put the poor team defense at the front of the line for blame there.
Once again, not providing adequate help for Dirk falls at the feet of Mavericks "Management". The place where nothing gets managed and deck chairs get moved around.
Donnie Nelson, the Mavericks GM (in name only) spends a bunch of his time in Frisco with the Texas Legends D-League team. He glad hands with fans and dances on the sideline during breaks. We know where the buck stops in Dallas.