For 95% of Spurstalk who are idiots...

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Originally Posted by chazley

A very good point Beastie, one that I overlooked.

Here are the top rebounding lineups the Spurs have (percentage of available rebounds rebounded):

1. Parker-Hill-Jefferson-Blair-Duncan - 57%
2. Hill-Neal-Ginobili-Bonner-McDyess - 56.5%
3. Parker-Ginobili-Jefferson-McDyess-Duncan - 56%
4. Hill-Neal-Ginobili-McDyess-Blair - 53%
5. Parker-Hill-Ginobili-McDyess-Duncan - 52%

He only shows up once on that list, however, we have to take into account the differences for each of these lineups if they are porous defensively.

The #1 ranked lineup actually has a very good points per possession allowed(0.95). When you combine that with the units rebounding ability, it is easily our best rebounding/defensive lineup.

The #2 ranked lineup with Bonner though is a very very close second, with a PPPA of 0.96.

This shows that Blair/Duncan and Bonner/McDyess are the two big man combos that work best in terms of defense and rebounding.

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How about best Defensive/Rebounding line-ups since the all star game and against playoff contending teams?

Keep up the good research!!

Gonna throw out another nice stat... best lineups in terms of difference between points scored per possession and points allowed per possession. Can also say the numbers are extra points per possession compared to other team.

1. Hill-Neal-Ginobili-Bonner-McDyess - +0.37
2. Parker-Hill-Ginobili-McDyess-Duncan - +0.35
3. Parker-Hill-Ginobili-Bonner-Duncan - +0.29
4. Hill-Neal-Ginobili-Bonner-Blair - +0.24
5. Hill-Neal-Ginobili-Jefferson-McDyess (Spurs best offensive lineup, surprisingly) - +0.23

Hill/Ginobili on each list, and Ginobili playing the 3 on each list. Definitely surprising

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Originally Posted by 20beastie45

How about best Defensive/Rebounding line-ups since the all star game and against playoff contending teams?

Keep up the good research!!

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I don't know how to look this up, sorry.

I dont get it...is this thread for only 95% of the idiots on the board? If so, why are 5% of the idiots not included? Who are the idiots in that 5%?

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Originally Posted by DPG21920

I thought these stupid Nazi trolls were being retired.

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This. They're stupid, offensive, and they need to go.

Are we allowed to have a Hitler troll? These nazi trolls lack leadership, tbh.

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Originally Posted by Cessation

Are we allowed to have a Hitler troll?

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Hitler was banned from SpursTalk. :lol

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Originally Posted by jaffies

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Originally Posted by gospursgojas

I dont get it...is this thread for only 95% of the idiots on the board? If so, why are 5% of the idiots not included? Who are the idiots in that 5%?

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95%idiots
5%smart people

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Originally Posted by duncan228

Hitler was banned from SpursTalk. :lol

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good stuff:rollin

How do you get banned from spurstalk?:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

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Originally Posted by duncan228

Hitler was banned from SpursTalk. :lol

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lol

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Originally Posted by duncan228

Hitler was banned from SpursTalk. :lol

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Well played, milady :lol

OMFG!!!! That video is so fucking awesome...sorry for the language....LOLOLOLOLOL

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Originally Posted by Texas 2 Step

Bonner sucks....end of story. He is a piss poor rebounder, his D is solid againts SF but against PF/C he is worthless. He does not take charges, is foul prone, is never in help pos, he suck.

Novak is a better player than Bonner.

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Thanks for your fascinating input. Also want to thank you for the deep analysis and research you put into your post.

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Originally Posted by gospursgojas

I dont get it...is this thread for only 95% of the idiots on the board? If so, why are 5% of the idiots not included? Who are the idiots in that 5%?

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So basically, you just called 100% of Spurstalk idiots, and in the same point called yourself an idiot.

I can see that, Bonner isn't an exceptional individual defender, nor is he an intimidating shotblocker, but he's always been a solid post defender and he is smart enough to know where he needs to be in the team defensive scheme. He tries to rotate at the right times to the right places.
He may be the farthest thing from a lock-down defender or a defensive presence, but he works hard and isn't lazy on the defensive side of the ball. I like the effort.

Bonner is obviously a very good regular season player, there's no problem with having him as a consistent rotation player during the regular season..the +/- numbers, both adjusted and unadjusted, support Bonner's success during the regular season..

I'm a Bonner supporter, but the die-hards like to point out his on/off +/- numbers, for obvious reasons..his regular season on/off is fantastic, because he's a solid regular season player..

However, the playoff numbers do tell a different story..

Bonner's regular season on/off +/- in 2010: +3.48..
Bonner's playoffs on/off +/- in the playoffs: -8.53..

Bonner's regular season on/off +/- in 2009: +8.89..
Bonner's playoffs on/off +/- in 2009: -12.27

The difference is massive..

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Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37

Bonner is obviously a very good regular season player, there's no problem with having him as a consistent rotation player during the regular season..the +/- numbers, both adjusted and unadjusted, support Bonner's success during the regular season..

I'm a Bonner supporter, but the die-hards like to point out his on/off +/- numbers, for obvious reasons..his regular season on/off is fantastic, because he's a solid regular season player..

However, the playoff numbers do tell a different story..

Bonner's regular season on/off +/- in 2010: +3.48..
Bonner's playoffs on/off +/- in the playoffs: -8.53..

Bonner's regular season on/off +/- in 2009: +8.89..
Bonner's playoffs on/off +/- in 2009: -12.27

The difference is massive..

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Again, sample size.

Also, 2009 playoffs we didn't have Manu, and 2010 playoffs Tony was coming off the bench while recovering from his injury. Bonner heavily relies on both of those guys driving and kicking, and in turn they count on Bonner to spread the floor.

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Originally Posted by chazley

Again, sample size.

Also, 2009 playoffs we didn't have Manu, and 2010 playoffs Tony was coming off the bench while recovering from his injury. Bonner heavily relies on both of those guys driving and kicking, and in turn they count on Bonner to spread the floor.

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Yes, but lately in big games he has bricked most of thos (Last three BIG GAMES has been horrible), and they are healthy now.

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Originally Posted by Sean Cagney

Yes, but lately in big games he has bricked most of thos (Last three BIG GAMES has been horrible), and they are healthy now.

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Guess the Heat game where he went 6-7 on threes doesn't count. Or in the Thunder game when he went 5-9, including 2-3 on threes... both within the past month. But since we're restricting it to the last 3 big games, I guess you're right.

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Originally Posted by chazley

Guess the Heat game where he went 6-7 on threes doesn't count. Or in the Thunder game when he went 5-9, including 2-3 on threes... both within the past month. But since we're restricting it to the last 3 big games, I guess you're right.

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I meant he last three games! You know what I was saying there! This is March now and going into April, what has he done the last three or so games against them? I know last night he got 2-7 threes, thats not good but more than he has done lately.

LOL you guys still believe in this guy, prove me wrong the last 4 or so games and playoffs then we will talk.

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Originally Posted by Sean Cagney

I meant he last three games! You know what I was saying there! This is March now and going into April, what has he done the last three or so games against them? I know last night he got 2-7 threes, thats not good but more than he has done lately.

LOL you guys still believe in this guy, prove me wrong the last 4 or so games and playoffs then we will talk.

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You are not very smart.

Bonner is going to take a huge dump on all his haters when the playoffs come around, and none of these POS fucks like Sean Cagney will be around to see it. Because fat fucks like him only know how to talk shit, but when the shit goes the other way they are facing a shitstorm of shit in their face that they don't know how to deal with. Bonner, as the 8th rotation player, is fine. Sean Cagney will have a lot of shit on his face come playoff time, and then he (she/it) will never be heard from again and some other troll will be praising the Spurs offense for dominating other teams and it will be Sean Cagney in disguise. Dude is a tool, and a Splitter cock knobber.

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Originally Posted by Splitman4evah

Bonner is going to take a huge dump on all his haters when the playoffs come around, and none of these POS fucks like Sean Cagney will be around to see it. Because fat fucks like him only know how to talk shit, but when the shit goes the other way they are facing a shitstorm of shit in their face that they don't know how to deal with. Bonner, as the 8th rotation player, is fine. Sean Cagney will have a lot of shit on his face come playoff time, and then he (she/it) will never be heard from again and some other troll will be praising the Spurs offense for dominating other teams and it will be Sean Cagney in disguise. Dude is a tool, and a Splitter cock knobber.

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Smart people talk like that? lol