Re: Bonner apologists, please explain
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Obstructed_View
Agreed on all points. Let me clarify: If Bonner never hits another shot, he obviously has no value, but we all know he's going to hit 40-50% of his shots, and as long as he's doing that, how he shoots in a short stretch makes no difference to his value from a spreading-the-floor standpoint. If he's not a defensive liability, the points from his makes aren't even as big a need.
I was one of the first people to suggest Bonner play small forward. He's not going to be abused on defense any more than he has been as a power forward and a center, with the difference being that he has shot blockers to back him up if and when someone gets past him. The bonus is that he creates a mismatch with his size and still spreads the floor. The best part is that he becomes a situational substitution instead of a rotation player.
If Pop loves the Bonner/Blair combo so much, put them in the game with Manu, Parker, and Duncan.
One thing I haven't seen mentioned it this;
Bonner shoots the ball almost like a shotput...he shoots it from his hip...this is why defensive teams make him useless when it counts...
during the regular season...the game is loose and the spurs can run and spread the floor and Bonner can have WIDE OPEN LOOKS...
During the playoffs...ANY defender can just run hard at Bonner and he won't shoot it because his release is so low that it can be blocked...this is why Bonner resorts to putting the ball on the floor and dribbling around looking for Manu or TP to bail him out...
When he DOES shoot it...he is uncomfortable because his release is hurried and the defender is very near...so Bonner's % will nosedive as it always does in pressure situations...
Look at Neal...a ROOKIE...
A ROOKIE!!!!
He somehow has OBTAINED the required "corporate knowledge"...and somehow ...he just makes shots...pressure or no pressure...and if he is having an off-night...he continues to play with "balls"...he doesn't shrink when he is needed...A ROOKIE!
How many fuckin' years until Bonner stops playing like a rookie in the playoffs?????
And Bonner's defense? :lmao:lmao
Don't even get me started on that shit...
Re: Bonner apologists, please explain
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Originally Posted by
Obstructed_View
Agreed on all points. Let me clarify: If Bonner never hits another shot, he obviously has no value, but we all know he's going to hit 40-50% of his shots, and as long as he's doing that, how he shoots in a short stretch makes no difference to his value from a spreading-the-floor standpoint. If he's not a defensive liability, the points from his makes aren't even as big a need.
I was one of the first people to suggest Bonner play small forward. He's not going to be abused on defense any more than he has been as a power forward and a center, with the difference being that he has shot blockers to back him up if and when someone gets past him. The bonus is that he creates a mismatch with his size and still spreads the floor. The best part is that he becomes a situational substitution instead of a rotation player.
If Pop loves the Bonner/Blair combo so much, put them in the game with Manu, Parker, and Duncan.
Agreed. I guess they don't think he can defend SFs but then again he cannot defend 4s either.
Re: Bonner apologists, please explain
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Originally Posted by
DrSteffo
Agreed. I guess they don't think he can defend SFs but then again he cannot defend 4s either.
Well, SFs like Marion and Diaw salivate at taking him down in the post. Shooting 4s like Harrington and Frye burn him at the 3pt line and post 4s like Randolph, Gasol, etc just shoot over him. Everybody abuses him.
On offense, anybody (even a PG) can run him off the line because of his weird release so I don't necessarily see how he's spreading the floor.
Re: Bonner apologists, please explain
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Originally Posted by
Obstructed_View
I don't care if he misses shots. NOBODY SHOULD CARE IF HE MISSES SHOTS. You guys are missing the bigger picture here, folks.
Bonner doesn't hurt the team by missing three pointers. There's probably not any point at which he will hurt the team by missing three pointers. He still has about the same value whether or not he's hitting.
The problem is when the other team isolates on him and abuses him and he's not taken out. Shawn Marion scored 15 points on him in the first half before getting hurt, and Harrington looked like Lamarcus Aldridge with Bonner covering him.
So he is a black hole out there when he is not hitting his threes and they iso him! So I agree why is he out there if not hitting? If he is off he sure is hurting us, giving up those point and not getting any points and he needs to be yanked immediately then.
I am not a fan of this guy, I think he fades late in the year and as you said he sucks when they back him down and shoot over him at will! He is not a great rebounder either for his size. If his shot is on cool leave him in there, if not PULL HIM POOP.
It's a shame we have to have a guy on the team who we treat like a special kid and look at a few little things he does and try to overlook the point he sucks at most things :rollin:rollin, but hey Pop loves him and signed him for longer and we have to deal with it.
Re: Bonner apologists, please explain
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Originally Posted by
Obstructed_View
Agreed on all points. Let me clarify: If Bonner never hits another shot, he obviously has no value, but we all know he's going to hit 40-50% of his shots, and as long as he's doing that, how he shoots in a short stretch makes no difference to his value from a spreading-the-floor standpoint. If he's not a defensive liability, the points from his makes aren't even as big a need.
I was one of the first people to suggest Bonner play small forward. He's not going to be abused on defense any more than he has been as a power forward and a center, with the difference being that he has shot blockers to back him up if and when someone gets past him. The bonus is that he creates a mismatch with his size and still spreads the floor. The best part is that he becomes a situational substitution instead of a rotation player.
If Pop loves the Bonner/Blair combo so much, put them in the game with Manu, Parker, and Duncan.
He should just stay down at the offencive end when he is in. :lol I'm kidding of course.
Re: Bonner apologists, please explain
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ElNono
Bonner adjusted +/- shows he normally plays with the better teammates.
Seriously... you said opponents start making runs as soon as he enters the game. The FACT is, it's the opposite. His +/- per 48 minutes is third best on the team.
Some people, so fucking clueless but talk down at people like they know what they're saying.
Re: Bonner apologists, please explain
The "other team makes a run when Bonner is in the game" is definitely flawed. It isn't true but I expect people just start paying more attention once he enters or something. Not that he is doing anything to prevent others from making a run because he isn't but he it isn't like he is that much of a liability on that end like most people make him out to be.
Re: Bonner apologists, please explain
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DesignatedT
The "other team makes a run when Bonner is in the game" is definitely flawed. It isn't true but I expect people just start paying more attention once he enters or something. Not that he is doing anything to prevent others from making a run because he isn't but he it isn't like he is that much of a liability on that end like most people make him out to be.
Yes it is, are you even watching the damn games?
I'm watching the Portland game right now and it's already happening lmao.
Bonner comes in, B Roy immediately drives it in, makes a layup and draws the foul on Bonner=3pt play (Bonner didn't even try to block it)
Bonner's late on 2 rotations=2 wide open 3's for Wallace
Wallace crosses him up and nails a jump shot off the backboard over Bonner=2pts
How many minutes has Bonner played? 7. The points they scored against him were within 5 mins, that's 11 points in just 5 minutes, holy shit.
Against Miami? Bosh scores 3 times in a row vs Bonner=6pts, the next play Bonner has to rotate to LBJ or else he's going to get a wide open 3, dude goes flying in the air falling for his pump fake which lead to a wide open jump shot=2pts, the play after that D-Wade drives it in against Bonner, Bonner stands there like a dumb ass and picks up a foul instead of drawing an easy charge=2pts. That's 10 points scored on just Bonner in around 5 minutes on 5 consecutive plays.
You saw what happened with him and Marion, our 10pt lead was erased in a matter of minutes just like yesterday vs Denver. I know you saw Harrington raping Bonner.
The list goes on and on and on and on, you can't make this shit up.
