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What happened to this kid? He was our best perimeter defender, hustled for steals, he could run some plays, hit the mid range shot... money with the corner 3...
He's just getting beat off the dribble like nobody is there, dribbles too much, can't run a play and looks completely irrelevant for long stretches...
It's like he takes a xanax before the game...
And I've noticed lately that his struggles are not just on the road... really bad timing to pull this shit... Thoughts?
he is watching neal and thinks he might be sent packing
He has been Nealed I think.
Wish we could have moved him at the trade deadline...could really use another solid big instead of a passive SG trying to hide within the offense.
No more sole backup PG duties for Hill...his status on the team has gone down and so has his confidenceQuote:
Originally Posted by Chomag
He's been pretty awful all season long and especially recently. He hit some shots today but he's done taking it to the rim and the offense goes real stagnant once he enters the game.
Best perimeter defender? He was never that good defensively. He was just the best THIS team had to offer. It's becoming apparent that Hill, like Bonner, is a mental midget. Plays well at home, looks lost on the road. Perhaps Hill should do a stint in Europe. Maybe then he'd develop the steel-minded mentality that clearly Gary Neal has.
he is soft mentally that is why pop calls hill his favorite player
That's what I meant...Quote:
Originally Posted by SenorSpur
I don't know who I'm starting to despise more, Hill or Bonner. They've rapidly become the two weak links on this team. Yet, Pop continues to roll their asses out there.
+1. I don't see why Pop didnt give Novak a shot tonight since Bonner wasnt doing a damn thing....Quote:
Originally Posted by SenorSpur
mentally weak players have never survived under Pop.
Uh? RJ, Bonner, two seasons of RMJ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mugen
THere's no explanation for Pop giving Hill and Bonner so much court time, based upon their unproductive showings. He may have been better served giving Anderson and Novak a look.
...and Bonner was even rewarded with a 4-yr contractQuote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
Kind of a sad state when we have to say that Hill is the Spurs best perimeter defender. Thats not a very high bar set.
Pop keeps trying to make them something they're not. You just can't teach mental toughness.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
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Originally Posted by ducks
I wouldn't say he is soft. Remember this guy once played on a broken foot in college and he doesn't back down fom other players, so toughness isn't the issue. I think Hill should focus on utilizing his length more because he lateral quickness isn't what I thought it would be.
But, he is averaging 10.6 points on .446 shooting and 3.2 assists over the last ten games. He needs to make more of this three-point attempts. However, his play hasn't been as horrendous as some people on this board have been saying.
His ability to start the offense actually looks like it's regressed. He's still really bad at fighting screens. Lately he just seems like he's content to be on the court, don't see the Hill who could do things with the ball. I didn't think he was as bad today as he's been previously.
I wonder if the Neal breathing down his neck theory is really what's up? I really hope it's just a prolonged funk, we need Hill and one of Bonner/RJ/Blair to really step up for the run.
I don't even think rookie George Hill was this bad. People were actually a fan of him in his rookie year. It seems like he's hated around the board now.
He seems to have lost all confidence and fire. It probably has to do with being responsible for not running the point well and the emergence of Gary Neal.
It sucks to see Hill play like this. I really like the kid on and off the court, but if he doesn't wake up now, he may not be on the team next season. Although that seems very unlikely since Pop wouldn't give up on him that quickly but you never know.
ANy player who plays well at home, but sucks royally on the road is soft. Time is up on all the excuses for Hill. He's had some bright moments - up until this season. It now appears as though he's regressed. I can't stand seeing guys like him and Bonner continuously getting playing time, when they're obviously making mistakes and under-performing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ginobili2Duncan
Very sad, indeed. I liked him alot, but I agree, his improvment has reached a platoe this year. Seems like pop has been pampering him too much, so when tough situations arise, he's goes fetal mentally, somewhat like bonner but to much lesser extent. I think it started last year, when he got abused by nash in the playoffs.
So strange to see Hill regress so bad. I thought we had a future starting caliber player in him. I have to laugh now that quite of few posters on here(me included) actually were open to trading Parker, due to the emergence of Hill.
Yep me too, and we were nuts for that! Some at work too said he can replace Tony (LA fans too), but they and us were all wrong! He is what he is, he is a role player and will not get much better IMO. I wish he continues from the Dallas series last year, but he has regressed since the PHX series.Quote:
Originally Posted by jjktkk
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Originally Posted by ducks
the guy is weak mentaly...
remember the "he is my favorite player" quote from Pop?
there's the explanation...
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Originally Posted by jjktkk
A problem is people say "he could be great, he just has to learn how to play PG" (and you ear it about any undersized SG in the league not only about Hill).Quote:
Originally Posted by Sean Cagney
This has to be one of the most difficult to play and it is not like in the NBA (let alone playing for a contender) you will have a lot of time to learn the position, make mistake...
That transition is almost never successful.
I think it is even worse for a player like Hill who needs to play in his comfort zone to be effective.
I am drunk...but i'm a friendly drunk...LOL...
it looks like hill is scared....not against the other team...because he's plays hard on D....but against his own team....what i mean is he doesn't want to mess up....he needs to play basketball. thats it...Be aggressive. don't worry if you make or miss...or if your setup for other players was covered.... just play and try.....
I like you GH3!!!! but if you fade away...you will also trade away....GO GH3
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Originally Posted by ducks
Too much tweeting and not enough balling?Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
People set ridiculous expectations for Hill. Half this board was ready to cast Parker out of town last season and was convinced Hill was a better player. He's a dime a dozen bench player who is good defending isolation plays, horrible against the pick and roll, and whose offensive game is really inconsistent. He can get hot and win you a game, but Vinny Del Negro with better D is this guy's ceiling.
TAKE THE FUCKING SHOT GEORGE.
I have had enough of him placing his foot forward like he's going to shoot and then passing it off to Bonner who fucking dribbles around for 10 seconds and throws an even worse pass to someone who is covered which results in a bad shot when Hill had a clean look to begin with.
IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE BALLS TO TAKE THE SHOT GEORGE GO HOME.
I'm OK with a miss, but not OK with SCARED PLAY.
He can't Neal with it. :ihit
IMO he should not be first off the bench anymore, Neal deserves to be our 6th man and Hill maybe will get the picture and get back to playing decent again and not inconsistent which this season has become for him!
I would like to see the Spurs send Jefferson and Hill to Balls camp this summer?
So sad... last season at this time we were talking about him replacing TP as our starter.
And it made about as much sense then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Budkin
Oh I agree, I'm just saying that there was a lot of talk about it, stupid as it may have been.Quote:
Originally Posted by admiralsnackbar
since day one this discussion was a total fail. Hill will never be a PG, ever. He is a pure SG even Spurs FO was clear about that. A guy with 1 assist per 36 mn is not PG material not difficult to understand.Quote:
Originally Posted by Budkin
When TP was down Hill never run the Offense, Manu did. It made more sense at that time to say we can trade TP because Manu can play PG than Hill can play PG.
Anyway Hill is no soft (see kobe incident) but he constantly needs confidence to play well (see the pop quote) as of today his 6th man spot has been stolen by Gary fucking Neal and he has difficulties to accept it IMO.
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Originally Posted by SenorSpur
Im not sure which other back up point guard we can play besides Hill. So really there is no other alternative unless you feel Quinn should play ahead of Hill. As far as Bonner which other big do we have that has the ability to shoot the three? Maybe you suggest we should play Novak, a journeyman, instead of Bonner?
This is why Sean Elliott says coaching/managment should never give in to the fans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Budkin
who you :lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by Budkin
After the Golden State game Pop called out certain unnamed bench players and basicly said they need to get their heads right and start playing. I figured he was talking about Bonner and Hill.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
The problem with Hill is that he has played this entire season looking like a rookie. We all expected him to take a huge step forward after the playoffs last year and he seems to have regressed. Neal and Bonner used to play so well it was easy to not notice but now that Bonner sucks, we are losing 50% of our bench production. Sadly, Blair looks lost coming off the bench too.
I'm not saying that Quinn should play ahead of Hill. Hill is a better player than him, just like Parker is a better player than Hill. However, I'm sick of the Hill hype. All this talk about him being a lockdown defender and a ready-for-prime-time player. He's neither. The fact that he he's regressed is very troubling. Manu is already the defacto backup PG anyway, so if he wasn't getting any burn, so what? I really don't know what the Spurs do with him - unless they plan on using him as eventual trade bait.Quote:
Originally Posted by LongtimeSpursFan
As for Bonner, name something else he can do besides jack up 3's. Like Finley before him, his one-dimensional, one-trick pony, skill-set is a burden to the entire team. The one skill he's supposed to be able to perform always seems to crash as the games become more meaningful. When he's choking up and shooting bricks, it is these moments that he becomes an immediate liability on both ends of the floor.
At the point, I wouldn't at all mind it if Pop would sub him out in favor of Novak. I have no idea whether Novak is better than Bonner, but one thing I do know is that Novak has hit clutch shots before. At least Novak doesn't possess the same "deer-in-the-headlights" look that Bonner has.
It would be interesting to see if he could provide better production than the red-headed, mental midget.
It might be worth it to try a couple of weeks of switching Manu and Hill.
Personally, I believe that Manu is getting worn down because Hill cannot pull his own weight.
He s is completly unconsistant this year!
I have noticed as well..Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
Hill stop being aggressive after that injury in December. In the beginning of the season he was in attack mode all the time. Now he's just a jump shooter. I hope he wake up in the playoffs. If not give more minutes to Neal